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Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 15:22:05
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by SLS on February 2, 2009, at 18:42:58
> Maybe you can poke around here to get a few of your questions answered:
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> http://www.mentalhealth.com/
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> - Scott
--------------------Had you not subsequently posted afterward, I would have really questioned your intent for this response to my thread. Seems a bit cold. Just curious.
Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 15:26:22
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by seldomseen on February 3, 2009, at 6:48:07
Hi Seldomseen, yes I'm taking a list to PDoc. This thread was supposed to be that 'list' but turned into something else. I do really like therapy-can't afford it and if I did-I honestly can't handle going to more appointments and being tasked with more than I already am. This forum will have to substitute, for now..
You are right about the VA..good thinking; in fact, some of the best doctors I have known were military doctors. I already checked into this. Healthcare is free there if you served in a combat zone, which I did not. Still, I hadn't thought about going there with my insurance. I'll have to check into that.
I agree about the foods. I'm eating healthy too-I wish I knew what I know now--really, our diets do contribute so much to both our physical and mental wellbeing.
Posted by toduar on February 3, 2009, at 17:23:49
In reply to Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by garnet71 on February 2, 2009, at 1:29:57
I really don't like giving recommendations, but i had a couple ideas for things that you may want to look into.
from your symptoms, what you described could be caused by either 1. adrenal burnout 2. low thyroid
for adrenal burnout, amalgam illness (that i recommended in the other thread) has one of the best adrenal support sections ive seen.
a quick and inexpensive experiment that you may want to try just to see if there is any positive effect that could point to adrenal burnout:
licorice root and pregnenalone. I just take 20mg. sublingual pregnenalone (let it disolve under your tongue) and 2 dropper fulls of licorice root extract (hold under your tongue for 30 seconds) first thing in the morning. if you get any negative effects, stop.for thyroid i don't really know (maybe someone else here has some ideas) but maybe start at this websiste:
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
all the best, todd
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 18:32:52
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by toduar on February 3, 2009, at 17:23:49
Thanks Todd. What is "sublingual pregnenalone"? I'm not into all the technical names. I thought abou the adrenal burnout - it's on my list of questions to ask endo for appt. next week. I want her opinion whether or not that is a clinical condition - or -if it was just invented by alternative practictioners to make money. Much like anti-depressants are marketed to make money.
Do you have a link to the adrenal support infor. you brought up?
Posted by JadeKelly on February 3, 2009, at 18:36:55
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by toduar on February 3, 2009, at 17:23:49
"ORIGIONALLY POSTED BY BOBBY ON SOCIAL"
"MAYA ANGELOU'S"
BEST POEM EVER
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ...enough money within her control to move out
and rent a place of her own,even if she never wants to or needs to...
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ...something perfect to wear if the employer,
or date of her dreams wants to see her in an hour...
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ..a youth she's content to leave behind....
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ...a past juicy enough that she's looking forward to
retelling it in her old age....
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE .....a set of screwdrivers, a cordless drill, and a black lace bra...
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ..one friend who always makes her laugh... and one who lets her cry...
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ....a good piece of furniture not previously owned by anyone else in her family...
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ...eight matching plates, wine glasses with stems,
and a recipe for a meal,
that will make her guests feel honored...
A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE ...a feeling of control over her destiny...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...how to fall in love without losing herself..
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...how to quit a job,
break up with a lover,
and confront a friend without;
ruining the friendship...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...when to try harder... and WHEN TO WALK AWAY...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...that she can't change the length of her calves,
the width of her hips, or the nature of her parents..
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...that her childhood may not have been perfect..but it's over...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...what she would and wouldn't do for love or more...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...
how to live alone . even if she doesn't like it...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW..whom she can trust,
whom she can't,
and why she shouldn't take it personally...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...where to go...
be it to her best friend's kitchen table...
or a charming inn in the woods...
when her soul needs soothing...
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...what she can and can't accomplish in a day...
a month...and a year...**Just a peice of a post-thanks to Bobby!!!
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 18:44:08
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by JadeKelly on February 3, 2009, at 18:36:55
((((((Jade))))
What an uplifting thought to share. I love this quote. Thanks for reminding me what's important in life.p.s. I do have a lot of those things believe it or not!! Including the power drill! Black and Decker! lol
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 19:01:14
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by SLS on February 2, 2009, at 20:08:48
2. The reasons why you have on multiple occasions fallen victim to narcissists.
- Scott
---------------I just thought up a little theory about this.
Narcissists have an external reference point; their identity and sense of self is derived only from those outside of them; they are empty except what they can feel as a result of interaction with others; they are extroverted (not to be confused with outgoing). They have an ego-barrier to their soul...btw, Do narcissists have more white brain matter than grey?
The oppositite of narcissists - introverts (not to be confused with people who are shy) - have an internal reference point; their values, thoughts, identity is a product of their internal soul; our being is not filtered from interacting with others; our ego is transparent and weak; these are the impulsive, open, unpretentious people; often ADDers. btw, do ADDers have more grey matter in their brain?
Aspects of this conjecture lie in the very intangible psycho-spiritual realm; it is not, and probably will never be, researched.
Narcissists want what the introverts have. It makes them angry that they cannot have such a strong self identity, values, convictions. They loathe us. They see this in us and consciously or unconsciously prey on us. They want to break us - so that ultimately, our soul, or 'self' is attributed to them *because* they have no identity, sense of self outside that which is derived only from relationships and interaction w/others. Our sense of self is so strong, narcissists are naturally attracted to that (since their whole identity comes from others) in a plight to feel closer to the soul.
Posted by toduar on February 3, 2009, at 19:02:48
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » toduar, posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 18:32:52
> Thanks Todd. What is "sublingual pregnenalone"? I'm not into all the technical names. I thought abou the adrenal burnout - it's on my list of questions to ask endo for appt. next week. I want her opinion whether or not that is a clinical condition - or -if it was just invented by alternative practictioners to make money. Much like anti-depressants are marketed to make money.
heres a link for a good brand of pregnenelone. you may want to do a google search also.
http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1257/
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> Do you have a link to the adrenal support infor. you brought up?its in amalgam illness. here is a preview link
Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 19:47:42
In reply to Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by garnet71 on February 2, 2009, at 1:29:57
Someone had suggested I may have ADD with comorbid depression. I think they may be correct. The only problem with this diagnosis, however, is the inclusive factor of chilhood symptoms in the ADD diagnoses spectrum. I had checked on this a few weeks ago. But-the other night while I was trying to do abstract math, I realized that in dropping out of highschool and f*$#ing up since 7th grade, I never got to the higher math courses that would allow me to observe such symptoms. I do remember being bored all the time. Sort of doesn't fit with someone who is interested in everything. I've always been an extremely contextual thinker -one thought leads to 60 million - so that when abstract things are presented, I can't really deal with them and process the black and white information.
My son has been diagnosed with ADHD - but his symptoms are different. He is very clumsy, forgetful, gets hurt all the time by accident. He bought a dirt bike last year - and I was scared to death he would get severely injured. He is very impulsive and doesn't think before he does things. He also can't concentrate, has some other issues..but was always very hyper. I never had the H in ADHD, although I can be quite impulsive.
I'll talk to the PDoc about it. Maybe I will again take Zoloft (helps my anxiety) but only if they prescribe me Adderall or Ritalin in conjunction with the antianxiety med. Or maybe Buspar with a stimulant? HOw to talk about this with PDoc w/o being accused of being a 'drug seeker'??
I can't do this anymore. It took me all day to write one page of research and read 4 pages in a textbook. I have fallen so far behind, if I don't get my act together w/in the next 3 or 4 days, I will fail the whole semester.
I'm sitting here again trying to do the paper. THe distractions are too strong. I am stunned at the time that has gone by - and I have barely anything to show for it.
Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 19:51:23
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by toduar on February 3, 2009, at 19:02:48
Thanks for the links! I still don't know what that stuff is - except that is a supplement in a bottle. Wiki has good answers. I will go there.
Posted by Phillipa on February 3, 2009, at 20:14:18
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » toduar, posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 19:51:23
Garnet affects hormones. When saw my endo requested adrenal test as Mother had Addison's disease. Just three blood draws. Accurate is 24 hour saliva test as the levels vary throughout the day. I thought You had been exposed to toxins in the war zone? But agree good pdocs at the VA hospitals the large ones as seldom speaks of. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:14:19
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » SLS, posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 19:01:14
Hi Garnet.
I have to agree that narcissists are infuriated to see in another individual what they can't have for themselves.
I'm not so sure about the introvert/extrovert dichotomy. I think a narcissist can covet equally what he sees in an extrovert or an introvert. Extroverts can't have a strong self identity, values, convictions, etc?
I am not sure what I am. I don't know whether I am an introspective extrovert or a gregarious introvert interested in interacting with all aspects of my environment. Either way, I am extremely happy.
Anyway, narcissists are no more responsible for their condition than I am for being bipolar.
- Scott
Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 20:26:28
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:14:19
> I'm not so sure about the introvert/extrovert dichotomy. I think a narcissist can covet equally what he sees in an extrovert or an introvert. Extroverts can't have a strong self identity, values, convictions, etc?
I agree in not falling into the black and white trap; but most extroverts (imo) are not narcissists, while all narcissists are extroverts. I did not articulate that as well as I could have.
> Anyway, narcissists are no more responsible for their condition than I am for being bipolar.I disagree. Narcissism is not a mental illness, imo; I don't care what the DSM says.
Narcissists know right from wrong. They know how to NOT hurt an individual when they are pursuing you and priming you for months on end. They can control THAT. Once they 'got you' - they then make a conscious decision to hurt and abuse you; to break you down.
Posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:35:36
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » SLS, posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 20:26:28
> > Anyway, narcissists are no more responsible for their condition than I am for being bipolar.
> I disagree. Narcissism is not a mental illness, imo; I don't care what the DSM says.I wasn't coming from a position of trying to structure narcissism around a DSM diagnosis, although it seems to be accurate as a descriptive text. I guess it is more of a spiritual idealism that allows me to forgive most people their humanity.
- Scott
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 20:44:05
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » Garnet71, posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:35:36
> I wasn't coming from a position of trying to structure narcissism around a DSM diagnosis, although it seems to be accurate as a descriptive text. I guess it is more of a spiritual idealism that allows me to forgive most people their humanity.
> - Scott------------------
It's not a matter of being unforgiving. I think 1/2 the people in our prisons don't belong there; many are victims of society. Narcissists aren't all victims of bad childhood - some are born that way and have loving, normal parents who had raised health siblings. Some have developed that behavior out of pure self-centeredness.I've spent my whole life excusing and forgiving people who have mistreated and abused me. I have no reason to be a narcissist apologist.
You are entitled to your opinion, so I can respect what you have to say. On the other hand, maybe you had never experienced soul rape before.
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 20:49:14
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » Garnet71, posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:35:36
I wasn't coming from a position of trying to structure narcissism around a DSM diagnosis, although it seems to be accurate as a descriptive text.
- Scott--------------
Just curious as to how you have come to view the DSM diagnosis to be an accurate description of the characterists of a narcissist. Have you known one intimately?- Garnet
Posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:54:22
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » SLS, posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 20:44:05
> You are entitled to your opinion, so I can respect what you have to say. On the other hand, maybe you had never experienced soul rape before.
You have no idea what hells I may or may not have endured in life. I am sorry that you got burned so bad, but you are not unique in that regard.
I think we should drop this, as I don't think it is appropriate here, and, for me, unnecessary anywhere else.
I think you have received my thoughts and suggestions as you have asked for them. I hope I was more helpful than hurtful.
- Scott
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 20:58:21
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:54:22
You have no idea what hells I may or may not have endured in life.
- Scott
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I understand that.
Posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 21:20:30
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by SLS on February 3, 2009, at 20:54:22
I think we should drop this, as I don't think it is appropriate here, and, for me, unnecessary anywhere else.
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Yep, I can see how it would be more beneficial to keep building that wall higher. It takes a lot of energy to build a wall, lots of resources, but breaking it down can be a catharcis - a new opportunity. It also releases a lot of life energy that can be redirected to utilizing one's talent and life dreams.
Posted by Phillipa on February 3, 2009, at 21:50:47
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 21:20:30
I do hope this doesn't relate to Scott as he is a wonderful person who has been through horrible things. I wish you well. I've been involved with narrcicists sp? but got out of the relationships. First one took 21 years. Funny thing Is I forgive him as his upbringing was the cause. I'm also not downing your real pain. Good that you're getting it out. Love Phillipa
Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 22:19:47
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » garnet71, posted by Phillipa on February 3, 2009, at 21:50:47
Hi Phillipa,
How come your post came to my personal email when none of the others do? You must be magic.
No, the post is not about Scott, who provides a lot of help to many members here. I was just seeking advice on how to get better, and had a disagreement with another member. It happens. It's a mental health forum.
Interesting you had your experience. I feel mostly (but not always) indifferent to the one I was involved with; sometimes pity, but it would be a lot easier to forgive if I was back to the way I was before he stole my positive traits and attributed them to himself (soul rape). It would be a lot easier if he didn't have a harem of not less than 2 dozen women - only to single one out who is "perfect" according to his idealization of the perfect mate - to break down once he realizes they are human and have flaws, emotions, and needs too. Even his online personal ad now has some of my former personality traits listed as his; the other traits are exactly the 'soulmate' he is seeking...the person he is seeking sounds just like me. He uses my positive traits, ones he was obviosly lacking before we met, to 'secure' others. I don't understand how your life energy can be passed to someone else. He is out having the time of his life with MY former personality traits. That's what's hard. It's identity theft of the soul..lol.
It's hard to explain how another person can steal another's most positive personality traits (it's not as if they are tangible). But the traits I used to have - that I can't get back - HE now has and like I said - are now posted on his online dating sites as him! His ad describes a combination of the personality he wants (with traits of mine he stole) - and the soulmate he disires which is a description of ME. He wasn't this person before me. It is the strangest phenomena, but nice to have someone to talk to about it.
What makes it hard to forgive as well, is he destroyed my wellbeing and after almost 10 years -had no remorse; there is no sincere apology; no emphathetic connection; no admission of fault in any of the emotional tornado. The hardest part, I think, is having no closure, hence my letting him suck me back into his life.
Of course there is a spectrum of abusive people such as him - some are on the low end; some on the high end. That affects one's recovery as well.
Posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 22:26:53
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 22:19:47
Let me just add that there is something horrific at the thought of someone using your personality attributes to hunt down and abuse another.
Posted by Phillipa on February 4, 2009, at 0:23:36
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations?, posted by Garnet71 on February 3, 2009, at 22:26:53
Garnet are you serious about this not coming from babble? How could that be? Could you write more maybe to me about soul identity theft. Seriously that's a new one to me? Love Phillipa
Posted by Garnet71 on February 4, 2009, at 0:48:16
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » Garnet71, posted by Phillipa on February 4, 2009, at 0:23:36
http://samvak.tripod.com/npdglance.html
Posted by Phillipa on February 4, 2009, at 0:54:57
In reply to Re: Diagnose me (please) - recommendations? » Phillipa, posted by Garnet71 on February 4, 2009, at 0:48:16
Garnet so your're talking more about a psychopath? I don't know where you live state that is but it's 2am will read in am okay? Thinking understand more now. Love Phillipa
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