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Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:05
PS: Any interaction possible with my PRESCRIBED MEDS ? .. this is the right section to talk about PRESCRIBED MEDS right ? ;)= Lamictal, Clonazepam, Lyrica ...Ok, now for the real subject...
I've tried Omega3 Joy of 'Genuine Health', Flax Seeds O3 in the past and they fog my mind big time. I also get kind of an anxiety rebound effect a couple hour after. BUT everything's perfect with Evening Primrose Oil .. It makes me feel much better.
In fact I sometimes feels some kind of a CRAVE for that stuff ! I feel like I would like to bite the capsule or something... it's crazy isn't ? Is that a sign my body NEEDS that stuff ? I swear I'd feel like I would DRINK that stuff from a bottle :| LOL .. maybe not, but I feel excited about taking it.. remember when you were a kid about to light up his second or third joint ? ... that's it.
What's happening here ?
Marty
Posted by Phillipa on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 28, 2007, at 11:44:38
Marty I always was under the impression that evening primrose oil was something females took for hormones. Was and am I wrong?. How high a dose do you take? Phillipa
Posted by Jimmyboy on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 28, 2007, at 11:44:38
Marty,
Very interesting that you say this, because I feel the exact same way. I just started large doses of EPO a couple of days ago and felt immediate major positive effects.One theory , that I have been reading up on of why this may work for you and I ( but probably not everyone) Is that you are low in Prostaglandin E1, which is a hormone like substance. There have been studies that show that people who are depressed are very low in prostaglandin E1 and people who are manic have higher than average levels of PGE1.
PGE1 is made in your body from GLA which is in EPO. The theory is that some people have a genetic defect which does not allow you to convert the precursors ( like GLA and other upstream precursors) to PGE1. By supplementing with a high GLA containing source ( they say EPO is the best) and the other minerals/vitamins which help the conversion process ( vit C, zinc, B6, niacin) you can keep enough of it around to feel good.
One interesting note is that alcohol releases large amounts of PGE1 when you drink, but depletes the supply in the long run giving you diminishing returns on how good you feel when you drink. So an indicator that you have this problem may be that you like to binge drink ( Just my opinion -)( recovery Health Center in Minnesota gives this to all their recovering alcoholics and says it helps stop the cravings)
Considering the study that said that high PGE1 levels are found in manic subjects, I would keep a check on yourself just to make sure you don't start feeling TOO good, if you know what I mean.
Good luck, hope it continues to work for both of us
JB
Posted by Jimmyboy on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Jimmyboy on October 28, 2007, at 12:14:30
PS- From what I have read from other psoters, if you are going to take Omega 3's with GLA(Omega 6), take very little, because they are sort of in competition for use/ absorption with the Omega 6 GLA.
Posted by Phillipa on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 28, 2007, at 11:44:38
Marty wow it's used a lot for autoimmune diseases and omegas. Here's what I quickly found sure you have too. Phillipa
Background
Evening primrose oil (EPO) contains an omega-6 essential fatty acid, gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), which is felt to be the active ingredient. EPO has been studied in a wide variety of disorders, particularly those affected by metabolic products of essential fatty acids. However, high-quality evidence for its use in most conditions is still lacking.
back to top Synonyms
Echte Nachtkerze, EPO, fever plant, gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), herbe aux anes, Huile D'Onagre, kaempe natlys, king's cureall, la belle de nuit, nachtkerzenol, night willow-herb, Oenothera communis Leveill, Oenothera graveolens Gilib, omega-6 essential fatty acid, Onagra biennis Scop, Onogra vulgaris , onagre bisannuelle, scabish, Spach, stella di sera, sun drop, Teunisbloem.
back to top Evidence
These uses have been tested in humans or animals. Safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.Uses based on scientific evidence Grade*
Eczema (children and adults)
Several small studies of eczema suggest benefits of taking evening primrose oil by mouth. Large well-designed studies are needed before a strong recommendation can be made. Evening primrose oil is approved for eczema in several countries outside of the United States. B
Skin irritation (atopic dermatitis in children and adults)
Several small human studies of atopic dermatitis suggest benefits of taking evening primrose oil by mouth. Large well-designed studies are needed before a strong recommendation can be made. Evening primrose oil is approved for atopic dermatitis in several countries outside of the United States. B
Breast cancer
Not enough information is available to advise the use of evening primrose oil for breast cancer. People with known or suspected breast cancer should consult with a qualified healthcare professional about possible treatments. C
Breast cysts
The limited available research does not demonstrate that evening primrose oil has a significant effect on treating breast cysts. C
Breast pain (mastalgia)
Although primrose oil is used for breast pain in several European countries, no high-quality human studies are published in this area. Therefore, the available information does not allow recommendation for or against the use of primrose oil in this condition. C
Chronic fatigue syndrome/post-viral infection symptoms
Not enough information is available to advise the use of evening primrose oil for symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome or fatigue following a viral infection. C
Diabetes
A small number of laboratory studies and theory suggests that evening primrose oil may be helpful in diabetes, but more information is needed before a recommendation can be made. C
Diabetic neuropathy (nerve damage)
Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), one of the components of evening primrose oil, may be helpful in people with diabetic neuropathy. Additional studies are needed before a recommendation can be made. C
Multiple sclerosis (MS)
It is theorized that primrose oil may be helpful in patients with MS based on laboratory studies. Limited evidence is available in humans, and a firm conclusion is not possible at this time. C
Obesity/weight loss
Initial human study suggests that evening primrose oil may have no effects on weight loss. C
Pre-eclampsia/high blood pressure of pregnancy
Evening primrose oil is proposed to have effects on chemicals in the blood called prostaglandins, which may play a role in pre-eclampsia. However, more studies are needed before a firm conclusion can be drawn. C
Raynaud's phenomenon
Not enough scientific information is available to advise the use of evening primrose oil for Raynaud's phenomenon. C
Rheumatoid arthritis
Benefits of evening primrose oil in the treatment of arthritis have not clearly been shown. More information is needed before a recommendation can be made. C
Scale-like dry skin (ichthyosis vulgaris)
Early studies do not show a benefit from evening primrose oil. However, larger studies are needed to confirm this result. C
Asthma
Small studies do not show evening primrose oil to be useful in the treatment of asthma. Further research is needed to confirm this conclusion. D
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
Small human studies show no benefit from evening primrose oil in ADHD. Further research is needed to confirm this conclusion. D
Cardiovascular health
Early study of evening primrose oil shows a lack of significant beneficial effects on cardiovascular function and health. D
Menopause (flushing/bone metabolism)
Available studies do not show evening primrose oil to be helpful with these potential complications of menopause. D
Pre-menstrual syndrome (PMS)
Small human studies do not report that evening primrose oil is helpful for the symptoms of PMS. A large, well-designed study is needed before any recommendation can be made. D
Psoriasis
Initial research does not show a benefit from evening primrose oil in the treatment of psoriasis. However, studies have been small with design flaws, and many have combined primrose oil with other agents such as fish oil. D
Schizophrenia
Results from studies of mixed quality do not support the use of evening primrose oil for schizophrenia. D
Key to grades
A Strong scientific evidence for this use
B Good scientific evidence for this use
C Unclear scientific evidence for this use
D Fair scientific evidence against this use (it may not work)
F Strong scientific evidence against this use (it likely does not work)
Grading rationale
Uses based on tradition or theoryThe below uses are based on tradition or scientific theories. They often have not been thoroughly tested in humans, and safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.
Alcoholism, antioxidant, atherosclerosis, bruises (primrose oil applied to the skin), chemotherapy-induced neuropathy (nerve damage), Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, diabetes, disorders of the stomach and intestines, fibroadenomas, hangover remedy, heart disease, hepatitis B, high cholesterol, hot flashes, inflammation, irritable bowel syndrome, kidney stones, melanoma, multiple sclerosis, pain, post-menopausal symptoms, post- natal depression, preventing preterm delivery, promoting easier birth, Sj;ouml;gren's syndrome, skin conditions due to kidney failure in dialysis patients, systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), ulcerative colitis, weight loss, whooping cough, wound healing (primrose oil poultice applied to the skin).
back to top Dosing
The below doses are based on scientific research, publications, traditional use, or expert opinion. Many herbs and supplements have not been thoroughly tested, and safety and effectiveness may not be proven. Brands may be made differently, with variable ingredients, even within the same brand. The below doses may not apply to all products. You should read product labels, and discuss doses with a qualified healthcare provider before starting therapy.
StandardizationStandardization involves measuring the amount of certain chemicals in products to try to make different preparations similar to each other. It is not always known if the chemicals being measured are the "active" ingredients. Standardized capsules of evening primrose oil (EPO) may contain about 320 milligrams of linoleic acid (LA), 40 milligrams of gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), and 10 international units (IU) of vitamin E. Some preparations are labeled with percent content (70% LA, 9% GLA). LA from normal daily food intake provides approximately 250 to 1000 milligrams of GLA daily.
Adults (18 years and older)Studies in the treatment of eczema or atopic dermatitis have used doses of 4 to 8 grams of evening primrose oil (EPO) daily, taken by mouth, divided into several smaller doses throughout the day. Studies of breast pain have used doses of 3 grams EPO daily, taken by mouth, divided into several smaller doses throughout the day.
Children (younger than 18 years)Studies in children treated for skin conditions have used 3 grams of evening primrose oil daily, taken by mouth, divided into several smaller doses throughout the day. It is reported that the maximum dose should not be greater than 0.5 grams per kilogram of body weight daily.
back to top Safety
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not strictly regulate herbs and supplements. There is no guarantee of strength, purity or safety of products, and effects may vary. You should always read product labels. If you have a medical condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, you should speak with a qualified healthcare provider before starting a new therapy. Consult a healthcare provider immediately if you experience side effects.
AllergiesAllergy or hypersensitivity to evening primrose oil has not been widely reported. Individuals with allergy or adverse reactions to plants in the Onagraceae family, gamma-linolenic acid, or other ingredients in evening primrose oil should avoid its use. Contact dermatitis (skin rash) is possible.
Side Effects and WarningsSeveral reports describe seizures in individuals taking evening primrose oil (EPO). Some of these seizures developed in people with a previous seizure disorder, or in individuals taking EPO in combination with anesthetics. Based on these reports, people with seizure disorders should not take EPO. EPO should be used cautiously with drugs used to treat mental illness such as chlorpromazine (Thorazine®), thioridazine (Mellaril®), trifluoperazine (Stelazine®), or fluphenazine (Prolixin®), due to an increased risk of seizure. Patients who plan to undergo surgery requiring anesthesia should stop taking EPO two weeks ahead of time because of the possibility of seizure.
Other reports describe occasional headache, abdominal pain, nausea, and loose stools in people taking EPO. In animal studies, gamma-linolenic acid (an ingredient of evening primrose oil) is reported to decrease blood pressure. Early results in human studies do not show consistent changes in blood pressure.
Pregnancy and BreastfeedingThere is not enough information to recommend the safe use of evening primrose oil during pregnancy or breastfeeding.
back to top Methodology
This patient information is based on a professional level monograph edited and peer-reviewed by contributors to the Natural Standard Research Collaboration (www.naturalstandard.com).Monograph methodology
back to top Selected references
Blommers J, de Lange-De Klerk ES, Kuik DJ, et al. Evening primrose oil and fish oil for severe chronic mastalgia: a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial. Am J Obstet Gynecol 2002;187(5):1389-1394.
Budeiri D, Li Wan PA, Dornan JC. Is evening primrose oil of value in the treatment of premenstrual syndrome? Controlled Clin Trials 1996;17(1):60-68.
Gateley CA, Pye JK, Harrison BJ et al. Evening primrose oil (Efamol), a safe treatment option for breast disease. Breast Cancer Res Treat 2001;(14):161.
Hederos CA, Berg A. Epogam evening primrose oil treatment in atopic dermatitis and asthma. Arch Dis Child 1996; 75(6):494-497.
Humphreys F, Symons J, Brown H, et al. The effects of gamolenic acid on adult atopic eczema and premenstrual exacerbation of eczema. Eur J Dermatol 1994;4(598):603.
Huntley AL, Ernst E. systematic review of herbal medicinal products for the treatment of menopausal symptoms. Menopause 2003;10(5):465-476.
Jack AM, Keegan A, Cotter MA, et al. Effects of diabetes and evening primrose oil treatment on responses of aorta, corpus cavernosum and mesenteric vasculature in rats. Life Sci 2002;71(16):1863-1877.
Joe LA, Hart LL. Evening primrose oil in rheumatoid arthritis. Ann Pharmacother 1993;27(12):1475-1477.
Joy CB, Mumby-Croft R, Joy LA. Polyunsaturated fatty acid (fish or evening primrose oil) for schizophrenia. The Cochrane Library [2]. 2000. Oxford, Update software.
Morse PF, Horrobin DF, Manku MS, et al. Meta-analysis of placebo-controlled studies of the efficacy of Epogam in the treatment of atopic eczema: relationship between plasma essential fatty acid changes and clinical response. Br J Dermatol 1989;121(1):75-90.
Qureshi S, Sultan N. Topical nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs versus oil of evening primrose in the treatment of mastalgia. Surgeon. 2005 Feb;3(1):7-10.
Strid J, Jepson R, Moore V et al. Evening Primrose oil or other essential fatty acids for premenstrual syndrome [protocol]. The Cochrane Library [2]. 2000. Oxford, Update software.
Whitaker DK, Cilliers J, de Beer C. Evening primrose oil (Epogam) in the treatment of chronic hand dermatitis: disappointing therapeutic results. Dermatology 1996;193(2):115-120.
Yoshimoto-Furuie K, Yoshimoto K, Tanaka T et al. Effects of oral supplementation with evening primrose oil for six weeks on plasma essential fatty acids and uremic skin symptoms in hemodialysis patients. Nephron 1999;81(2):151-159.
Posted by bleauberry on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 28, 2007, at 11:44:38
Yeah, Jimmyboy got it right. Good explanation.
I have indeed seen scattered reports at naturopath websites where borage oil or evening primrose oil (both sources of GLA) relieved depression rapidly when all serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine strategies failed.
I took it for a while and didn't notice too much in mood, but I think my dose was too low. One thing I did notice when I stopped taking it (ran out and just didn't bother to get to the store) I had a return of some pain and inflammation that had disappeared on borage oil.
I have taken fish oil a long time, flax oil a medium time, and borage oil a short time. I like flax and borage a lot better than fish oil. It is a more balanced broad spectrum essential fatty acid treatment than fish oil.
Posted by Netch on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Jimmyboy on October 28, 2007, at 12:21:38
> PS- From what I have read from other psoters, if you are going to take Omega 3's with GLA(Omega 6), take very little, because they are sort of in competition for use/ absorption with the Omega 6 GLA.
It's better to have a high omega3/GLA ratio to prevent production of inflammatory PGE2 from GLA
/Netch
Posted by Jimmyboy on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Jimmyboy, posted by Netch on October 28, 2007, at 16:48:00
Sorry, think you may be right about that one. Do you know any other ways of reucing PGE 2, without reducing PGE 1? I know Lithium reduces them both , what about something like tylenol or a cox-2 inhibitor ? Would they selctively lower PGE 2 without messing with PGE 1?
Thanks for any info
JB
Posted by Netch on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:06
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Netch, posted by Jimmyboy on October 28, 2007, at 20:17:19
> Sorry, think you may be right about that one. Do you know any other ways of reucing PGE 2, without reducing PGE 1? I know Lithium reduces them both , what about something like tylenol or a cox-2 inhibitor ? Would they selctively lower PGE 2 without messing with PGE 1?
>
> Thanks for any info
>
> JBI believe gamma-Tocopherol inhibits the formation of PGE2
"Gamma-tocopherol, but not alpha-tocopherol, decreases proinflammatory eicosanoids and inflammation damage in rats. "
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:25130
/Netch
Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Jimmyboy on October 28, 2007, at 12:14:30
Hi Jimmyboy,
Very interessting hypotesis, I'll look into it for sure. I don't crave for alcool but a couple days back I drank a couple beer and felt that I could drink more without being too much dizzy etc.. I was able to drink at least 2x what I drink usually since my problems/meds started.
So you feel good too on GLA eh ? what have you tried else (meds, suppl.) and how did you react ? I'm curious about if we both have some reaction in common.
Thx for the info.
Marty> Very interesting that you say this, because I feel the exact same way. I just started large doses of EPO a couple of days ago and felt immediate major positive effects.
>
> One theory , that I have been reading up on of why this may work for you and I ( but probably not everyone) Is that you are low in Prostaglandin E1, which is a hormone like substance. There have been studies that show that people who are depressed are very low in prostaglandin E1 and people who are manic have higher than average levels of PGE1.
>
> PGE1 is made in your body from GLA which is in EPO. The theory is that some people have a genetic defect which does not allow you to convert the precursors ( like GLA and other upstream precursors) to PGE1. By supplementing with a high GLA containing source ( they say EPO is the best) and the other minerals/vitamins which help the conversion process ( vit C, zinc, B6, niacin) you can keep enough of it around to feel good.
>
> One interesting note is that alcohol releases large amounts of PGE1 when you drink, but depletes the supply in the long run giving you diminishing returns on how good you feel when you drink. So an indicator that you have this problem may be that you like to binge drink ( Just my opinion -)( recovery Health Center in Minnesota gives this to all their recovering alcoholics and says it helps stop the cravings)
>
> Considering the study that said that high PGE1 levels are found in manic subjects, I would keep a check on yourself just to make sure you don't start feeling TOO good, if you know what I mean.
>
> Good luck, hope it continues to work for both of us
>
> JB
>
Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Marty, posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2007, at 12:14:29
You're impression is good. This is one of the reason people take some. In fact, I tried it because I found a bottle at my mother appartment. She told me it was for her hormones. ;)
> Marty I always was under the impression that evening primrose oil was something females took for hormones. Was and am I wrong?. How high a dose do you take? Phillipa
Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Jimmyboy on October 28, 2007, at 12:21:38
>> if you are going to take Omega 3's with GLA(Omega 6), take very little, because they are sort of in competition for use/ absorption with the Omega 6 GLA.
----
Ok I see. thanks again for the info. Very much appreciated!Marty
Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Marty, posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2007, at 12:26:10
> Marty wow it's used a lot for autoimmune diseases and omegas. Here's what I quickly found sure you have too. Phillipa
That's interesting :) Look likes Omega-6 is maybe a little bit underlook while the Omega-3 has 80% of all the recent attention for Omegas.
thx Phillipa
Posted by Jimmyboy on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 29, 2007, at 9:40:53
Hi Marty,
The EPO seems to still be helping out alot. My mood and anxiety levels have dropped considerably since I started taking it. I saw a post you made farther up the board refering to your symptoms , like possible bipolar II, socail anxiety and anxiety in general as well as trying every medicine under the sun.. That matches my problems to a tee, exactly.I also tend to feel better in the early part of the year and my mood and anxiety gets worse as it goes on. Could just be me. But I also tend to want to drink when I am feeling good , so that probably makes the situation worse and makes my moods fluctuate faster, thus looking like a basically untreatable bipolar depression. I have gotten off prety much all my meds and feel better than I have in a long time. Right now I am just taking a small dose of Lithium and the "PGE 1 raising vitamins- EPO, Vit C, ZInc, B6, Niacin, magnesium)
I am about to add Vitamin E sesame lignans to the mix , b/c it makes DGLA --> PGE 1 ( what we want) instead of DGLA --> PGE 2 ( bad)
Anyway, good luck and lets keep each other posted on this one. I am excited to find something that actually seems to work !
JB
Posted by Jimmyboy on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Jimmyboy, posted by Netch on October 28, 2007, at 20:25:52
Hey Netch, thanks for the info,
That intrigued me and I was looking around and it appears that adding gamma-tocopherol sesame lignans will make GLA preferentially convert to PGE 1 instead of PGE 2 , so I am definitely adding this supplement to the mix.I just read this in a Life Extension news letter on gamma tocopherol - but lost it, if I find I will post it.
Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Marty, posted by Jimmyboy on October 29, 2007, at 9:50:05
> That matches my problems to a tee, exactly.
-- Interesting.> I also tend to feel better in the early part of the year and my mood and anxiety gets worse as it goes on. Could just be me.
-- Ok. Since a couple years my state worsen because of the falls. Lack of sun makes me feel bad after a while.. anxiety/depression
> But I also tend to want to drink when I am feeling good, so that probably makes the situation worse and makes my moods fluctuate faster, thus looking like a basically untreatable bipolar depression.
-- I too prefer to drink when I feel good (Anxiety Alcool=Alcoolism in my head, so I avoid that). To be frank I feel like EPO makes me feel more relaxed and SO well enough that since I take some I think of beer more often.. beer = yummy isn't something I felt since a long time. I know that doesn't match the logic of the PGE1 hypothesis btw.
> I have gotten off prety much all my meds and feel better than I have in a long time.
-- Same as me. I dont take much meds those times. No antidepressant. (Except I started 5-HTP like 3 days ago to see if it works for me)> Anyway, good luck and lets keep each other posted on this one. I am excited to find something that actually seems to work !
-- Yeah. Let's keep in touch. We may share one of the less common cluster of the 'your name it' disorder.BTW, did you found my past posts (couple months ago) about my face pains problems ? It started after a Clonazepam withdrawal (wrongly done). There's some inflammation involved. I think it may be releated to one version of the Herpes Virus.. like the one which cause Shingles (one little eruption on my hand so far this year).. I tell you that because it may interest you because of the possible link with PGE2.
Tylenol makes me usually feel in good mood and cognitively more alerted. (in the night it's almost better than sex lol.. can't explain much).. Ibuprofen too is enjoyable. Naproxen seems to reduce my facial pain, decrease my intracranial blood pressure .. I feel my thinking is more logical and less garbaged (lol). BUT Naproxen makes me depressed in the end.. especially when I go to sleep. bad.
If you see something clue into all those facts.. plz tell me ;)
Marty
Posted by King of Nothing on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Jimmyboy, posted by Marty on October 29, 2007, at 10:20:19
Marty stop taking immediately if you start to grow titties and have a sudden urge to buy shoes...ahhhhhhhhh!!!! ;)
-King Long Dong
Posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:07
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's » Marty, posted by King of Nothing on October 29, 2007, at 15:33:51
> Marty stop taking immediately if you start to grow titties and have a sudden urge to buy shoes...ahhhhhhhhh!!!! ;)
>
> -King Long DongAhah! Can't happend cause I'm a man. right ?
Ok, Seriously my puss hurts now :S
;)
Posted by Questionmark on November 10, 2007, at 11:34:32
In reply to Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:05
Sounds more like you accidentally got some Evening Opium Oil.
No that's great though that it works so well for you.
> PS: Any interaction possible with my PRESCRIBED MEDS ? .. this is the right section to talk about PRESCRIBED MEDS right ? ;)= Lamictal, Clonazepam, Lyrica ...
>
> Ok, now for the real subject...
>
> I've tried Omega3 Joy of 'Genuine Health', Flax Seeds O3 in the past and they fog my mind big time. I also get kind of an anxiety rebound effect a couple hour after. BUT everything's perfect with Evening Primrose Oil .. It makes me feel much better.
>
> In fact I sometimes feels some kind of a CRAVE for that stuff ! I feel like I would like to bite the capsule or something... it's crazy isn't ? Is that a sign my body NEEDS that stuff ? I swear I'd feel like I would DRINK that stuff from a bottle :| LOL .. maybe not, but I feel excited about taking it.. remember when you were a kid about to light up his second or third joint ? ... that's it.
>
> What's happening here ?
>
> Marty
Posted by H2Obuffalo on November 17, 2007, at 23:36:19
In reply to Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by Marty on October 30, 2007, at 0:44:05
Hi Marty-
May I ask what brand, product, and dosage you're taking? Thanks for any info.
-H2Obuffalo
Posted by Jimmyboy on November 21, 2007, at 18:52:21
In reply to Re: Evening Primrose Oil WAY BETTER for me than O3's, posted by H2Obuffalo on November 17, 2007, at 23:36:19
I have just switched from Evening Primrose Oil to Borage Oil to get GLA in my diet. It seems to be much more effective for me. It has a higher % of GLA than EPO. Thus less of a chance for the accompanying Linoleic Acid to go down the PGE 2 pathwat ( my theory only!!)
I noticed at higher doses of EPO , I actually got diminishing returns and felt worse after a certain dosage.
JB
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