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Posted by djmmm on December 11, 2006, at 1:20:15
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular?, posted by linkadge on December 10, 2006, at 18:56:43
> Good question, I'd like to know myself. I don't think I'd care about sleep attacks that much, I could be wrong.
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> The herb vitex, is a d2 agonist, and I am finding it has a very nice antidepressant, and antianhedonic effect.
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> Linkadge
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>what brand of vitex do you use?
Posted by blueberry on December 11, 2006, at 1:20:15
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular?, posted by linkadge on December 10, 2006, at 18:56:43
> Good question, I'd like to know myself. I don't think I'd care about sleep attacks that much, I could be wrong.
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> The herb vitex, is a d2 agonist, and I am finding it has a very nice antidepressant, and antianhedonic effect.
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> Linkadge
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>Linkadge,
You got my interest. Tell me more about vitex...what it does...how long until it kicks in...what dose you take...side effects. Sounds interesting.
Thanks
Posted by linkadge on December 11, 2006, at 1:20:16
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular?, posted by djmmm on December 10, 2006, at 19:11:12
"Herbal Select", it may be a Canada only brand I don't know.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on December 11, 2006, at 1:20:16
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular? » linkadge, posted by blueberry on December 10, 2006, at 19:13:00
Vitex is a herb with d2 binding, as well as mild serotonin uptake inhibition. I think it also has some opiate binding affinity.
I found it has antidepressant effects, and anti-anhedonic effects. The d2 agonism is pronounced.
I swore I was taking something stronger like ritalin. It was not stimulating though, just anti-anhedonic. I was listening to music, and I could really feel it. I was watching the nature chanel and it was like I was was running with the cheetas.
YMMV.
Linkadge
Posted by Quintal on December 11, 2006, at 1:20:16
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular?, posted by linkadge on December 10, 2006, at 19:39:45
> Vitex is a herb with d2 binding, as well as mild serotonin uptake inhibition. I think it also has some opiate binding affinity.
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> I found it has antidepressant effects, and anti-anhedonic effects. The d2 agonism is pronounced.
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> I swore I was taking something stronger like ritalin. It was not stimulating though, just anti-anhedonic. I was listening to music, and I could really feel it. I was watching the nature chanel and it was like I was was running with the cheetas.
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> YMMV.
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> Linkadge
>Link, are you still taking it? Also, does anybody know why it's called Chaste Berry? Does it raise prolactin and cause impotence or something?
Found an answer to my own question:
"Studies show that chasteberry can both increase and decrease prolactin levels in the body. Too much prolactin is related to amenorrhea (no menstrual periods) and breast tenderness associated with PMS; too little prolactin can mean reduced milk production. In one study featuring 100 nursing mothers, those who took chasteberry had more milk than those who took a placebo. In another clinical study of PMS associated with high prolactin levels, vitex balanced not only prolactin levels but the menstrual cycle itself."
"Chasteberry was used by the ancient Greeks and Romans as well as by medieval monks to lower sexual desire. The Greeks and Romans also used it to keep away evil. Hippocrates used chasteberry to treat injuries. Dioscorides advised its application for inflamed wombs, diseases of the spleen and lactation. European nuns used chasteberry for women's hormonal problems, and this latter application is chasteberry's main function today. It is considered a uterine tonic."
"Chasteberry acts as a balancer, not only in female hormonal problems, but also with regard to libido. Therefore, chasteberry can act as both an aphrodisiac and an anaphrodisiac. It can normalize hormonal imbalances; treat amenorrhea or dysmenorrhoea; and act to increase or suppress lactation."
"According to Robin Landis and Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa, chasteberry works by helping the pituitary gland to raise progesterone levels. Chasteberry induces the pituitary gland to free a luteinizing hormone and stop a follicle-stimulating one. Landis and Singh Khalsa call chasteberry a support for female hormones from menstruation to menopause."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2603/is_0002/ai_2603000265
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Posted by blueberry on December 11, 2006, at 4:29:36
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular?, posted by linkadge on December 10, 2006, at 19:39:45
Any sexual side effects from it? I wonder how much low dose zyprexa (1.25mg to 2.5mg) would interfere with it, if at all.
Posted by zmg on December 12, 2006, at 15:49:38
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular?, posted by linkadge on December 10, 2006, at 19:39:45
I am a curious sort, I swear I'm going to create a form. :)
Brand?
Dosage?
Duration?
Length of usage?Did you experience the effects immediately or did they build more gradually?
Thanks for the info Linkadge!
Posted by linkadge on December 15, 2006, at 21:41:11
In reply to Re: Why Are Dopamine Agonists Not More Popular? » linkadge, posted by zmg on December 12, 2006, at 15:49:38
I am taking a brand called herbal select. Its a combination of standardized vitex 100mg, and chaste berry (vitex) powder 350mg, per cap.
I'm sure there are better brands out there but it seems decent. I tried 2 caps/day.
The dopamine agonism is pronounced. I detect some weak SSRI like effects. I couldn't tell you about sexual side effects as I have been having other problems in that area.
It has anti-anhedonic effects, and some pro-concentration effects.
I am finding it very tollerable. More tollerable than SJW. No irritability.
Some effects on colors too. Brighter. Blue is a little more vivid.
Linkadge
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