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Posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 19:34:08
Did the combination work for you
L-Tyrosine and Caffine?
slight resemblence to amphetamine.
Good Day
Posted by ed_uk on January 12, 2005, at 19:34:09
In reply to Ed-UK, posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 11:35:26
Hello Matt,
I haven't had chance to try it yet. When I do I'll let you know. Thank you for the suggestion :-)
I hope your anxiety is better today. How are you feeling?
Good Day,
Ed.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 19:35:55
If you have a stingy doctor, if you do have symptoms and are not treated, this can be a helpful substitute.
Also you may file a lawsuit case for neglect of medical treatment. But thats extreme.
Posted by ed_uk on January 12, 2005, at 19:35:56
In reply to it may help, posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 11:38:41
He he..... I don't think I'll be filing a lawsuit! My pdoc is not unusually stingy- stimulants are very rarely prescribed here. Only a very small minority of pdocs prescribe stimulants at all. Anyway, I've been refered to a new pdoc so we'll see how it goes with him. Hopefully he'll be better, I doubt it though. Pdocs here generally seem to think that *everything* can be treated with SSRIs and so they rarely prescribe anything else.
Ed.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 17:24:06
In reply to Re: it may help » mmcconathy, posted by ed_uk on January 12, 2005, at 13:02:30
Well Come one down to States, Dallas, and get some southern hospitality. I cant belive, they are that cruel. Both my mom and dad are cruel, so i understand.
Anyways, on that L-Tyrosine, if you have never taken it before, 3-4 grams will be noticeable, but after time belive me you will need to lower it to 1-2 becuase it will get to strong after time. 1 Caffine tablet with it, will do some similar actions of amphetamine with the Extra dopamine stroage that is formed from Tyrosine.
It wont feel exactly the same, but if is better than ephedrine! goodness that stuff is horible.
Now there is one more supplemnt D/L Phenylalanine, its structure VERY similar to amphetamine's structure, its not as noticable, but it can cause mild euphoria. And also can simulate amphetmaine with only 1 caffiene tablet.
Here is info on it:
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00034.htmlThey both be effetive at immitating psychostimulant actions with caffiene.
Good Luck
Matt
Posted by ed_uk on January 13, 2005, at 17:24:39
In reply to Re: it may help, posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 19:50:28
Hi Matt!
>Well Come one down to States, Dallas, and get some southern hospitality.
Would be nice to go on holiday :-)
Thanks for the link!
Do you prefer the effect of L-Tyrosine or DL-Phenylalanine?
Best Regards,
Ed.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 17:24:40
In reply to Re: it may help, posted by ed_uk on January 13, 2005, at 6:29:00
Tyrosine hits more noticable, it doesnt give you that "lift", amphetamine gives you, euphoric. But it is very noticeable and does give a feeling of well-being, makes you feel your on track, similar to Dexedrine. The caffine is what does the trick, becuase i belive it works with L-tyrosine and does similar actions that of amphetmaine.
DL-Phenylalanine is more of a mood lifter than tryrosine, tyrosine is more for alertness. But its not very noticeable, you have to wait for a while to actually notice any differnence. Actually Phenylalanine is converted to tyrosine in the body, and taken with 1 caffiene tablet, this will give you a mild euphoira, with concentration, like a psychostimulant.
Just Buy both of them and try it out. I'm just giving you advice to help you if you need something to help you.
But they both feel very similar to a psychostimulant taken with 200mg of Caffiene, do not exeed 400mg, this will cause HORRIBLE side effects.
Best luck to you ed
Matt
Posted by ed_uk on January 13, 2005, at 17:24:40
In reply to Re: it may help, posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 11:31:21
Hi Matt!!
Thank you for your advice! I think I'll try the L-Tyrosine first.
How are you feeling today?
Good Day,
Ed.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 18:26:51
In reply to Re: it may help, posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 11:31:21
good, its mild weather here in Texas, right now its about 72 degrees, in Dallas.
Every been to the states?
THat advice was to help you from your stingy doctor, i KNOW my substitutes....
Exeeding 6 Grams of L-tyrosine will not make any differnece, it will add to your irrtitbility.Stay in a range of 3-4 grams for now, and only 1-2 caffiene tablets, 2 is taking it to the limit, and it will be extreme, thats why i recommend only 1. Cheers. anything alterted will not give you a pleasant effect.
Ginseng can be taken instread of the caffine also, but less of a psychostimulant effect, more psyhically energyizing.
I need to market this combination for "motivation associated with depression". I'm SERIOUS!
Wellanyways, wish me luck on finding some benzo's, im not in barb's at all, there really nothing intresting about them, all you will find is they make you impaired.
Where are you from anyways?
Posted by cherylann on January 14, 2005, at 11:09:20
In reply to Re: it may help, posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 18:26:51
The l-phenalaline (sp?) costs twice as much as tyrosine. What's up with that?
Needless to say, I tried to tyrosine. Just 500 mgs. Felt a little more motivated than usual, but not sure if I was just having a good day or if it was the tyrosine. I think I'll try the tyrosine with a little cup of tea in the morning and see if I can find that "feel good" feeling I used to get from stimulants.
cherylann
Posted by ed_uk on January 14, 2005, at 14:20:02
In reply to Re: it may help, posted by mmcconathy on January 13, 2005, at 18:26:51
Hi Matt,
>Every been to the states?
No! I've been to Canada... not that that's the same.
>THat advice was to help you from your stingy doctor..
Thanks :-)
> i KNOW my substitutes....
How does dextroamphetamine affect your anxiety?
>I need to market this combination for "motivation associated with depression". I'm SERIOUS!
Could be a future career option!
>Wellanyways, wish me luck on finding some benzo's, im not in barb's at all, there really nothing intresting about them, all you will find is they make you impaired.
Good luck! You seem to prefer barbs some days and benzos other days.
>Where are you from anyways?
West Yorkshire, England.
Good Day,
Ed.
Posted by mmcconathy on January 14, 2005, at 19:02:38
In reply to What's with the cost difference?, posted by cherylann on January 14, 2005, at 11:09:20
Ok, i think the D/L stuff is 9.99 at GNC for 30 capsules
Tyrosine is 12.99 for 30 of 1 gram tablets
I dont know how to convert this to Ed's Currenty
Posted by mmcconathy on January 14, 2005, at 19:23:27
In reply to Re: it may help » mmcconathy, posted by ed_uk on January 14, 2005, at 14:20:02
Yea i know barbs are really good for just forgetting about "everything", its usally just screw it, and off to bed, exept with phenobarbital. Benzo's just make you sit back, but you still feel like working on them, unlike Amytal, lol i took 200mg for work on day WITHOUT Dexedrine, started noticing i was slightly droowling on the keyboard,, later when i tried to catch the phone the computer spin chair flipped sideways into the trash can with spoiled suishi!!
Not a very effective anxiety med for working conditions.....Well how was the combination?
Are Caffeine tablets sold in the UK?
There marketed as No-Doz, and Viviran here in the states.
I am hopeing to hear how it worked, if any adverse side effects happened.
They both will cause a mild euphoria and psychostimulant effect, guaaranteed.
Hope to get back
Posted by KaraS on January 18, 2005, at 18:29:32
In reply to Ed-UK, posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 11:35:26
Hi Ed,
Hope you're doing well at school and glad you're still joining us.
I just wanted to add my 2 cents here. Some people get very nervous from even small amounts of tyrosine or DLPA. OTOH, I took 7 grams of tyrosine and got no response whatsoever. With the DLPA I could feel at least a little stimulation because of the PEA (phenylethylamine). If I ate some chocolate at the same time, I got really shaky and nervous. I couldn't believe how strong a reaction that was.
Since l-tyrosine and DLPA can increase norepinephrine, I would be EXTREMELY cautious when using them since you are already taking the lofepramine and your heart rate is already quite elevated. One or both of these might work out well for you, but please go slowly.
Take care,
Kara
Posted by ed_uk on January 19, 2005, at 7:57:26
In reply to Re: Ed-UK » mmcconathy, posted by KaraS on January 18, 2005, at 18:29:32
Hi Kara,
Thank you for the advice, I'll bne careful :-) Lectures start in two weeks time.
I stopped the lofepramine 4 days ago. My heart rate has not gone down at all. It is usually about 110 at rest. Since stopping the lofepramine I've had a lot of vivid dreams and a couple of episodes of sleep paralysis- which I've never had before.
Regards,
Ed.
Posted by Mistermindmasta on January 19, 2005, at 12:01:08
In reply to Ed-UK, posted by mmcconathy on January 12, 2005, at 11:35:26
> Did the combination work for you
>
> L-Tyrosine and Caffine?
>
> slight resemblence to amphetamine.
>
> Good DayThe problem with the tyrosine is how strong of a tolerance I develop to it, within a short period of time. I really like the acute effects of tyrosine though. I actually feel like I'm smarter. When I converse with people, I feel like what I'm saying makes more sense than normal.
So let me tell ya... when I wake up feeling well rested, and I confront the day with a lotta caffeine and tyrosine, its definitely a VERY nice stimulant. Ive never tried amphetamines, so I dont know about that.
Posted by KaraS on January 19, 2005, at 21:55:41
In reply to Re: Ed-UK » KaraS, posted by ed_uk on January 19, 2005, at 7:57:26
> Hi Kara,
>
> Thank you for the advice, I'll bne careful :-) Lectures start in two weeks time.
>
> I stopped the lofepramine 4 days ago. My heart rate has not gone down at all. It is usually about 110 at rest. Since stopping the lofepramine I've had a lot of vivid dreams and a couple of episodes of sleep paralysis- which I've never had before.
>
> Regards,
> Ed.
Hi Ed,I bet your heart rate will go down in time. How strange and scary for you about the sleep paralysis. Have you talked to zeugma at all? I bet he would know a lot about it. Are you on nothing at all now or have you started the supplements?
Take care and keep us posted.
Kara
Posted by mmcconathy on January 20, 2005, at 11:49:32
In reply to Re: Ed-UK » ed_uk, posted by KaraS on January 19, 2005, at 21:55:41
Ed,
Ill talk with you about this later, i gotta run now.
Matt
Posted by tealady on January 25, 2005, at 17:44:53
In reply to What's with the cost difference?, posted by cherylann on January 14, 2005, at 11:09:20
> The l-phenalaline (sp?) costs twice as much as tyrosine. What's up with that?
>
> Needless to say, I tried to tyrosine. Just 500 mgs. Felt a little more motivated than usual, but not sure if I was just having a good day or if it was the tyrosine. I think I'll try the tyrosine with a little cup of tea in the morning and see if I can find that "feel good" feeling I used to get from stimulants.I've used that combo for over 18 months on and off..500mg tyrosine powder (or capsule) on waking on an empty stomach and caffeine in 3 cups of tea at least. Yes, it works as you found :-)
Good amount for smaller build female anyway.
Sometimes I also need P5P b6 50mg as well.2 grams of tyrosine seems to have mood altering (over pleasant) effects with me. Fine if you don't want to try and concentrate or do anything I guess. Tried it once in afternoon:-)
Then again I'm on thyroid meds, so maybe its all shunted down another pathway ..maybe dopamine.
Jan
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