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Posted by JLx on November 13, 2004, at 9:47:20
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and the UK » tealady, posted by TeeJay on November 13, 2004, at 6:53:48
> Does that mean you can't keep driving round and round on the roundabouts trying to figure out which exit to take..when 3 out of 7 exits are labelled with the same town and 2 have no labels? ..or does that mean they are actually going to restrict the no of roundabouts they build in a row. So when following directions like turn left at the roundabout.. which REALLY when decoded means turn left at the 6th roundabout and not the most left exit(everyone should KNOW that's not the one)..but the 2nd left one, sigh
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> yes I can see how children would be safer(and not only children:)...what are they planning on doing instead?
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> Errrr, they were'nt thinking about that type of roundabout, more the kiddies playground type ;-))
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> Apparently they considered extending this to traffic roundabouts but after seeing you drive they considered it would cause too much chaos :-P
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> TJI wonder what the mechanism might be for selenium causing more depression and irritability. I take it all the time for my mercury amalgam fillings and I would hate to think I'm making myself worse. Something with its oxidative function? Do you take other antioxidants with it? Ordinarily I would suggest magnesium for irritability, but I know you've said you've taken it in the past with little effect. (Have you tried other forms or brands?)
I thought you meant traffic roundabouts too, btw. :) If you mean merry-go-rounds, I think we've elminated them entirely here in the U.S. and "monkey bars" too, because of lawsuits either real or potential. Though you can proabably find them in some old playgrounds in small towns where people don't tend to sue as much.
JL
Posted by raybakes on November 13, 2004, at 12:47:13
In reply to Re: Selenium = more depressed? » TeeJay, posted by JLx on November 13, 2004, at 9:47:20
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> I wonder what the mechanism might be for selenium causing more depression and irritability. I take it all the time for my mercury amalgam fillings and I would hate to think I'm making myself worse. Something with its oxidative function? Do you take other antioxidants with it? Ordinarily I would suggest magnesium for irritability, but I know you've said you've taken it in the past with little effect. (Have you tried other forms or brands?)
I wonder whether this might be something to do with it?"Methylation of selenium by both plants and animals serves to detoxify selenium by generating methylselenides"
could excess selenuim deplete the body of SAM?
Ray
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 13, 2004, at 19:14:09
In reply to Re: Selenium = more depressed? » JLx, posted by raybakes on November 13, 2004, at 12:47:13
Sorry to bring this back to me again (I feel like my posts are all about me lately!!! Usually, I try to help others)..........but,
I've been getting "brain Zaps" on the -Tryptophan. At first I thought that this was because I dropped my 10mg of Celexa (and started 1500mg of Tryptophan immediately) and it was some kind of discontinuation symptom.
However I've NEVER had brain zaps whilst taking ANY AD medication before (except Paxil). And I've never had ANY brain zaps when discontinuing any med. before. (Been on Celexa x 2, Paxil, Remeron, Effexor, Moclobemide, Buspar, Amitryptiline, Zopiclone, Mogodon & am still on Klonopin).SOOOOO, I'm thinking these "electical buzzes" are due to the Trypt. ???? They only occurred at night, about 30 mins after ingesting the 1500mg. They also occurred at 1250mg, but not at 1000mg (last night). I also got the vivid nightmares only at the 1500mg. Is this connected??
1000mg doesn't appear to be enough Trypt. for anti-anxiety/Ad effect, cuz today I feel crappy. Very agitated and combative. Had felt great ever since taking the Trypt. + Klon. otherwise.
BUT, I'm worried that 1500mg (0r 1250mg even), might be too much. Are these "brain zaps" a negative thing? What are they exactly? Will they go away after a while? I worry about mini-seizures.
They're not that bothersome, I only have a few at a time, before falling asleep. My husband, had them when first on Paxil, he said his doc just says it's brain stem activity??? I'm just concerned.
Thanks for your time.
Jas
Posted by MKB on November 13, 2004, at 20:21:38
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP!, posted by jasmineneroli on November 13, 2004, at 19:14:09
I've had the "brain zaps" on L-Tryptophan. In fact, I had them when I first started taking it over 25 years ago. I guess I've gotten used to them. I always thought they were a sign my brain was doing something it needed to be doing. If it's a sign that something bad is going on, then I am in blissful ignorance. I've been back on the Tryptophan since 10/27/04, but I'm only taking 500 mg. as I stated before. I may go up to 1000 mg. if I started feeling down. I have been keeping a chart of my moods for about 4 weeks and I have to say they are more normal (even) since I've been on the Tryptophan. If I were you I would give the 1000 mg a chance to work before making any changes. The 1500 mg. seems like a lot to start off with. All of this I am telling you is only my opinion. I don't have any special knowledge other than what I've read online, especially at www.healthrecovery.com.
Posted by TeeJay on November 13, 2004, at 20:29:18
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » jasmineneroli, posted by MKB on November 13, 2004, at 20:21:38
What exactly do you two mean by "brain zaps"??? One of my old symptoms used to be a kind of sound in my head.....a bit like the sound of a gentle wave on a shingle beach which got louder as I kind of had a "dizzy spell" but the duration of the who thing lasted barely 1 second and then it was gone. Does this describe a "brain zap"?
I don't get them anymore, and have no idea what, if anything I was taking when I had them but I did take 5htp a lot in the early days of feeling ill so perhaps it was those? I must stress I'm only guessing though.
Posted by TeeJay on November 13, 2004, at 21:04:21
In reply to Re: Selenium = more depressed? » JLx, posted by raybakes on November 13, 2004, at 12:47:13
ok Ray, lets give your hypothesis a work out.....apart from SAME which is expensive, what other supps could I take which give the brain its building blooks to boost its SAME levels?
I can give them a try and see if the findings tally with your theory.
TJ (Brit guinea pig!)
Posted by MKB on November 13, 2004, at 21:32:25
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP!, posted by TeeJay on November 13, 2004, at 20:29:18
Brain zaps are like mild electrical jolts. They don't hurt; they just get your attention.
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 0:05:14
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP!, posted by TeeJay on November 13, 2004, at 20:29:18
Well, my version of brain zaps are extremely difficult to describe. It's a sort of fuzzy electrical zap noise and a buzzy feeling. It's very short (less than a second, probably) and is repeated again within 5 minutes. Sometimes it is louder and more dramatic than others, with a kind of reverberation that sends a "ripple" through my head. A hint of a dizziness.
I think what you describe could be your own version of the same thing.
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 0:17:43
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » jasmineneroli, posted by MKB on November 13, 2004, at 20:21:38
Thanks MKB.
I guess I'm just really surprised that the L-Tryptophan is having that much of an effect on me!
Tonight I'll try 1250mg and see if I feel better tomorrow. I'll probably stay at this dose for a while. I don't really mind the feeling of the zaps...I just worried a bit.
(I do take it with magnesium and P5P B6, so I'm not sure if they multiply the effect, or aid in the absorption, or the opposite).
I'm taking it for GAD (along with the Klonopin). Depression is only a small part of my condition usually, depending how successfully I've been handling my anxiety and what stress levels I'm being subjected to.
I'm interested to know about L-Tryptophan's success (or otherwise) for GAD.
Thanks for the link. I'll check there for info on GAD too! Good luck in your L-Trypt. trials.
Jas
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 0:29:19
In reply to Re: Can I mix selegiline, with L-tryptophan safely? » jasmineneroli, posted by Larry Hoover on November 12, 2004, at 7:17:31
I can relate to the GERD problems, both my husband and daughter suffer. My husband quite miserably from time to time.
A simple, but effective remedy for any night time reflux, that has helped him, is a "mechanical" one. You might like to try this if it's still giving you trouble. He elevates the head of his bed by six inches. He sleeps on slope that isn't enough to slide down! But physically prevents reflux during sleep.
Best wishes,
Jas
Posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 0:42:17
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » MKB, posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 0:17:43
Hello Jasmine,
L-Tryptophan is supposed to work for anxiety, as well as depression. I have found that to be so. Before I started taking it, I would recycle the same worries throughout the day. Now I am able to dismiss these thoughts. Like you, I would have to say that anxiety has been a bigger problem for me than depression. I am not taking any other prescriptions for psychiatric-related problems. It's too bad you are unable to separate what the Tryptophan is doing from what your other meds are doing. Please keep posting as you learn more about it.
Posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 13:27:42
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » MKB, posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 0:17:43
I moved up to 1000 mg L-Tryptophan last night and will stay there for awhile. Slept well after the fireworks stopped going off in my head. Feel great this a.m.
Posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 15:40:40
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » jasmineneroli, posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 13:27:42
> I moved up to 1000 mg L-Tryptophan last night and will stay there for awhile. Slept well after the fireworks stopped going off in my head. Feel great this a.m.
I've been experimenting with tryptophan too for a couple weeks now. First I felt really good, slept good, less appetite the next day (a good sign for me). Then I noticed I was feeling much more anxious, especially when I woke up in the morning. And it became harder to actually get out of bed. Then my stomach really started to hurt, especially first thing in the morning. (I am taking the tryptophan at night before bed with magnesium, a little calcium, glycine, niacinamide.) One day when I thought I surely had stomach cancer or something, it hurt so bad, I took some probiotics and that helped some. (I'd been taking them each day with food, but this was a different kind you take without food.) What's going on with the stomach there from the tryptophan to cause pain like that?
So, I've tried decreased amount, and then stopped outright for a few days. Yes, less anxious, less stomach ache...and more depressed.
SSRIs also caused much anxiety for me. But depression with anxiety is supposed to be the kind of depression that tryptophan helps, so why so much more anxiety?
Not sure what to do. I'm using the horse version and wonder if the stomach ache could be due to whatever is in that other percent of the "ultra pure, 87.3% tryptophan". Maybe something that in such a small quanitity as would be to a horse is not so small for a human?
I've also experimented with tyrosine or DLPA during the days with mixed results.
JL
Posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 16:17:34
In reply to Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » MKB, posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 15:40:40
I don't think Tryptophan would cause the stomach problems. Maybe it's all the other stuff you're putting in your stomach before you go to bed. Tryptophan should be taken on an empty stomach or with fruit juice, but maybe all those other pills are not agreeing with your stomach. Maybe you could take the other things at a different time of day. I've not used the veterninary version. I got mine from www.healthrecovery.com. It is pharmaceutical grade. You can read a lot more about it if you go to that website. I've spent a lot of time and money on other antidepressants with less than satisfactory results. It's going to be a long time yet before I give up on the Tryptophan.
Posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 17:34:52
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » JLx, posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 16:17:34
> I don't think Tryptophan would cause the stomach problems. Maybe it's all the other stuff you're putting in your stomach before you go to bed. Tryptophan should be taken on an empty stomach or with fruit juice, but maybe all those other pills are not agreeing with your stomach. Maybe you could take the other things at a different time of day. I've not used the veterninary version. I got mine from www.healthrecovery.com. It is pharmaceutical grade. You can read a lot more about it if you go to that website. I've spent a lot of time and money on other antidepressants with less than satisfactory results. It's going to be a long time yet before I give up on the Tryptophan.
Oh, I'm not ready to give up yet, just kind of discouraged right now as it felt so great the first few days.
Magnesium, calcium, glycine and niacinamide are all things I've taken before and at night. It was when I added the tryptophan that I got the stomach ache. It's possible that they are doing something together though that they didn't alone.
And yes, I do take them on an empty stomach or with a little applesauce. The horse kind of tryptophan doesn't mix in water and tastes just terrible so I mix it with a teaspoon of applesauce and then quick run and brush my teeth! :)I've read the healthrecovery site and recommend Joan Mathews Larson's "Depression Free Naturally". One nice thing about that book is her checklists for the various conditions.
JL
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 20:15:56
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » MKB, posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 17:34:52
Hey there JLX:
Well, I'm now on day 13 of Tryptophan. Have no stomach problems at all (which I ALWAYS get with SSRI's on start-up and for an age after). I noticed today and yesterday that I can actually TASTE again!! I hadn't realized my taste ability had diminished. Earlier, I simply ate beause I was supposed to..I had no appetite and never knew I was hungry until I started eating! No pleasure from food. Yay, that's back!
Did you have stomach problems with SSRI's (if you ever took them)?? You take the Trypt. with similar suppl. to me, so maybe it IS the form you are using.HOWEVER, I too am suffering from anxiety the past 2 days. I'm also puzzled by this, because, as you say, anxious depression is s'posed to be helped by Trypt. I think it could be because I dropped my dose from 1500mg to 1000mg on Thurs. night and last night took 1250mg. Maybe I have to be on at least 1500mg????
My symptoms have been more along the line of agitation and irritable/anger. But this often is a precursor to full blown anxiety/panic attacks in the past. I'm tempted to up my Klonopin dose...just in case...since I have to work tomorrow.
Feeling a bit disappointed...hopefully this mini "crash" is to do with lowering the dose.
Sleep wise, I had a bit of improvement at first (just a few night time wakenings), but at the lower dose I awoke more and couldn't get up this am. I've got a feeling, I really need a higher dose than 1500mg to achieve optimum sleep. I'm going to take 1500mg tonight. This maybe my required minimum dose.
I liked the Health Recovery site too. The diff. types of depression/anxiety lists are helpful, and I'm trying to follow the suppl. combo's they suggest for anxious depr. (I already take most). It's interesting to note that they suggest it might be necessary to take up to 3 grams of Trypt.
Good luck!
Jas
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 20:21:32
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » jasmineneroli, posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 0:42:17
> Hello Jasmine,
> L-Tryptophan is supposed to work for anxiety, as well as depression. I have found that to be so. Before I started taking it, I would recycle the same worries throughout the day. Now I am able to dismiss these thoughts. Like you, I would have to say that anxiety has been a bigger problem for me than depression. I am not taking any other prescriptions for psychiatric-related problems. It's too bad you are unable to separate what the Tryptophan is doing from what your other meds are doing. Please keep posting as you learn more about it.** Yes, It's a little problematic, when there are other things involved. I think the Celexa will have completely cleared my body though, now. I know how I react to Klonopin, because I was using that as monotherapy for at least 5-6 months. What is unknown of course, is how the two (Klon. & Trypt) react together.
Because of this, I've decided not to add any segeline for now. It's too soon. I'm hoping to stablize my anxiety and sleep on Trypt. (finding the right dose) before my next Pdoc app't on Dec. 1st.
I will keep posting. Thanks for your interest.
Jas
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 20:25:43
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP! » jasmineneroli, posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 13:27:42
> I moved up to 1000 mg L-Tryptophan last night and will stay there for awhile. Slept well after the fireworks stopped going off in my head. Feel great this a.m.
** That's great MKB!
I wish 1000mg would be enough for me, but if you read my response to JXL below, you'll see that even 1250mg doesn't appear to be enough. So I'm going back up 1500mg, and will ignore any brain zaps!! Keeping careful notes about my reactions.
Jas
Posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 21:39:43
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » JLx, posted by jasmineneroli on November 14, 2004, at 20:15:56
> Hey there JLX:
> Well, I'm now on day 13 of Tryptophan. Have no stomach problems at all (which I ALWAYS get with SSRI's on start-up and for an age after). I noticed today and yesterday that I can actually TASTE again!! I hadn't realized my taste ability had diminished. Earlier, I simply ate beause I was supposed to..I had no appetite and never knew I was hungry until I started eating! No pleasure from food. Yay, that's back!
> Did you have stomach problems with SSRI's (if you ever took them)?? You take the Trypt. with similar suppl. to me, so maybe it IS the form you are using.Funny, I had just the opposite reaction -- less appetite. I never had stomach probs with SSRIs except for that feeling that food stays in your stomach forever.
Yes, it could be the horse version. ;)
> HOWEVER, I too am suffering from anxiety the past 2 days. I'm also puzzled by this, because, as you say, anxious depression is s'posed to be helped by Trypt. I think it could be because I dropped my dose from 1500mg to 1000mg on Thurs. night and last night took 1250mg. Maybe I have to be on at least 1500mg????
> My symptoms have been more along the line of agitation and irritable/anger. But this often is a precursor to full blown anxiety/panic attacks in the past. I'm tempted to up my Klonopin dose...just in case...since I have to work tomorrow.I just noticed I was waking up right into an anxious mood as opposed to a feeling of well being first thing in the morning when I first started taking it. I was always more anxious on SSRIs than I was without them.
> Feeling a bit disappointed...hopefully this mini "crash" is to do with lowering the dose.
> Sleep wise, I had a bit of improvement at first (just a few night time wakenings), but at the lower dose I awoke more and couldn't get up this am. I've got a feeling, I really need a higher dose than 1500mg to achieve optimum sleep. I'm going to take 1500mg tonight. This maybe my required minimum dose.Holistic Online says, "Recommended dosage: For depressive symptoms, take 2 grams (2,000 mg) of tryptophan two or three times daily. It should be taken between meals, with fruit or juice (simple sugars) to improve its utilization. It should not be taken with a protein meal, because tryptophan competes poorly with other amino acids for absorption. To convert tryptophan to serotonin, the body must have adequate levels of folic acid, vitamin B-6, magnesium, niacin, and glutamine." http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Depression/dep_nutrition2.htm#
Hmm...that's interesting about the glutamine since glutamine is supposed to be soothing to the stomach. Maybe I will try taking some of that with tryptophan.
Patrick Holford, in ""Optimum Nutrition of the Mind" says about tryptophan, "You need 1 gram for low mood and up to 3 g a day for actual depression....As well as supplementing tryptophan, make sure your diet gives you at least 1 g a day by eating any two of the following meals, each giving 500 mg of tryptophan.
*Oatmeal, soy milk and two scrambled eggs.
*Baked potato with cottage cheese and tuna salad
*Chicken breast with potatoes au gratin and green beans.
*Whole wheat spaghetti with beans, tofu or meat sauce.
*Salmon fillet, quinoa and lentil pilaf and green salad with yogurt dressing."Sounds like 1500 mg is not an excessive dose. Perhaps your brain zaps are not related to trypt.
> I liked the Health Recovery site too. The diff. types of depression/anxiety lists are helpful, and I'm trying to follow the suppl. combo's they suggest for anxious depr. (I already take most). It's interesting to note that they suggest it might be necessary to take up to 3 grams of Trypt.
> Good luck!
> JasGood luck to you too. :)
JL
Posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 22:36:07
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » jasmineneroli, posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 21:39:43
The Holistic Online site says 5-HTP is superior to Tryptophan. I believe that information to be INCORRECT. It does not agree with www.healthrecovery.com nor with other information I have seen. The 2000-3000 gram dosage may be correct, but I'd rather work up to it. The therapist that recommended Tryptophan to me over 20 years ago suggested starting with 500 mg, so that is what I have done now that I'm starting back. Even at 500-1000 mg. Tryptophan does cause the brain zaps. I experienced them way back when I first tried it, and I'm experiencing them now. I've always thought they were a good sign that something was happening that needed to be happening. I really want to know exactly what the Tryptophan is able to do, so I am trying to avoid adding any new "meds" to confuse the issue.
I'm glad there is a dialog going on about this.
Posted by MKB on November 14, 2004, at 23:42:43
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » jasmineneroli, posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 21:39:43
Correction: I meant to say 2-3 grams,not 2000-3000 grams.
Posted by jasmineneroli on November 15, 2004, at 0:02:10
In reply to Re: Tryptophan and anxiety, stomach pain » jasmineneroli, posted by JLx on November 14, 2004, at 21:39:43
JLX, I don't have any more appetite on Trypt. than I did on Celexa. I just have more sense of taste!
I take glutamine in the morning with a protein shake. Maybe I should be taking it later in the day??
Since I am in the fitness industry, I know the importance of frequent protein meals in a day, and usually try to eat protein every 3-4 hours, so I'm sure I'm getting at least 500mg Trypt. "naturally".
AND, I know that all amino acids compete with each other for absorption, but a light just went off!! I took Arginine a couple of nights ago, and again one morning (to try to combat sexual s/e of Celexa, that seemed to linger...Arginine really works...it increases nitric oxide). Then today I had a cold sore started!! (Arginine makes the resident Herpes virus replicate) SOOOOOO, I took Lysine today, several times, to halt that Herpes replication. Cold sore stopped dead in it's tracks, already receding (within 12 hours!!).
BUT, most likely all these Amino's are competing and Trypt. not as available. Duh! Jas...you know all this stuff, why don't you think, before you act????????
JLX, thanks for the reminder about Amino's competing. ;)
Jas
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2004, at 6:34:20
In reply to Tryptophan was prescribed by my Pdoc, posted by jasmineneroli on November 12, 2004, at 0:08:28
> Hi Everyone:
> My Pdoc (I'm in Canada) prescribed L-Tryptophan for me, since I've had side effects to all classes of AD's that I've tried (2 SSRI's, SNRI, RIMA, Remeron). This is pharmaceutical grade tryptophan, made in Canada. I'm assuming that it maybe superior to any health food OTC brand. At least in terms of guaranteed content ("purity" & accurate amount, which is important for accurate dosing).
>
> My Pdoc believes it's more effective than 5htp, simply because it's a pharmaceutical grade. We had a very good discussion about alternate therapies. He thinks that many good (effective) substances, have not been given a true trial, and used as treatments by doctors, because so many of the OTC health food products have been shown to have huge variances in ACTUAL content (he cited St. John's Wort and 5htp). And the fillers used have actually prevented adequate absorption etc. Without a reliable, tested content, he maintains, most studies on their efficacy cannot be trusted.
>
> In other words, the 5htp that Mary has bought in Illinois, doesn't compare to the 5htp that Joe bought in Toronto.I just want you to know that's changing in Canada. New federal regulations governing Natural Health Products are gradually phasing in starting Jan. 2004. By the end of 2005, all manufacturers/suppliers of Canadian NHPs must employ "good manufacturing practices", which include the following rules about purity and content:
44. (1) Every natural health product available for sale shall comply with the specifications submitted in respect of that natural health product under paragraph 5(i) and with every change to those specifications made by the product licence holder.
(2) The specifications shall contain the following information:
(i) detailed information respecting the purity of the natural health product, including statements indicating its purity tolerances;
(ii) for each medicinal ingredient of the natural health product, detailed information respecting its quantity per dosage unit and its identity, including statements indicating its quantity and identity tolerances;
(iii) if a representation relating to the potency of a medicinal ingredient is to be shown on a label of the natural health product, detailed information respecting the potency of the medicinal ingredient, including statements indicating its potency tolerances; and
(iv) a description of the methods used for testing or examining the natural health product.(3) The specifications and every change to those specifications shall be approved by a quality assurance person.
> Whilst the industry is unregulated, it will be hard to find doctors to support the use of these products, because they don't fit the scientific model doctors are used to. MKB may well be right in his caution.
So, Canadian supps/herbs are indeed regulated. I'm sure retailers will be able to sell old stock, but any new products will soon enough be reliable.
Lar
Posted by darren216 on November 29, 2004, at 7:18:22
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP!, posted by jasmineneroli on November 13, 2004, at 19:14:09
> Sorry to bring this back to me again (I feel like my posts are all about me lately!!! Usually, I try to help others)..........but,
> I've been getting "brain Zaps" on the -Tryptophan. At first I thought that this was because I dropped my 10mg of Celexa (and started 1500mg of Tryptophan immediately) and it was some kind of discontinuation symptom.
> However I've NEVER had brain zaps whilst taking ANY AD medication before (except Paxil). And I've never had ANY brain zaps when discontinuing any med. before. (Been on Celexa x 2, Paxil, Remeron, Effexor, Moclobemide, Buspar, Amitryptiline, Zopiclone, Mogodon & am still on Klonopin).
>
> SOOOOO, I'm thinking these "electical buzzes" are due to the Trypt. ???? They only occurred at night, about 30 mins after ingesting the 1500mg. They also occurred at 1250mg, but not at 1000mg (last night). I also got the vivid nightmares only at the 1500mg. Is this connected??
>
> 1000mg doesn't appear to be enough Trypt. for anti-anxiety/Ad effect, cuz today I feel crappy. Very agitated and combative. Had felt great ever since taking the Trypt. + Klon. otherwise.
> BUT, I'm worried that 1500mg (0r 1250mg even), might be too much. Are these "brain zaps" a negative thing? What are they exactly? Will they go away after a while? I worry about mini-seizures.
> They're not that bothersome, I only have a few at a time, before falling asleep. My husband, had them when first on Paxil, he said his doc just says it's brain stem activity??? I'm just concerned.
> Thanks for your time.
> Jasi got them too
Posted by darren216 on November 29, 2004, at 7:22:56
In reply to Re: Tryptophan - Brain zaps???? HELP!, posted by darren216 on November 29, 2004, at 7:18:22
> > Sorry to bring this back to me again (I feel like my posts are all about me lately!!! Usually, I try to help others)..........but,
> > I've been getting "brain Zaps" on the -Tryptophan. At first I thought that this was because I dropped my 10mg of Celexa (and started 1500mg of Tryptophan immediately) and it was some kind of discontinuation symptom.
> > However I've NEVER had brain zaps whilst taking ANY AD medication before (except Paxil). And I've never had ANY brain zaps when discontinuing any med. before. (Been on Celexa x 2, Paxil, Remeron, Effexor, Moclobemide, Buspar, Amitryptiline, Zopiclone, Mogodon & am still on Klonopin).
> >
> > SOOOOO, I'm thinking these "electical buzzes" are due to the Trypt. ???? They only occurred at night, about 30 mins after ingesting the 1500mg. They also occurred at 1250mg, but not at 1000mg (last night). I also got the vivid nightmares only at the 1500mg. Is this connected??
> >
> > 1000mg doesn't appear to be enough Trypt. for anti-anxiety/Ad effect, cuz today I feel crappy. Very agitated and combative. Had felt great ever since taking the Trypt. + Klon. otherwise.
> > BUT, I'm worried that 1500mg (0r 1250mg even), might be too much. Are these "brain zaps" a negative thing? What are they exactly? Will they go away after a while? I worry about mini-seizures.
> > They're not that bothersome, I only have a few at a time, before falling asleep. My husband, had them when first on Paxil, he said his doc just says it's brain stem activity??? I'm just concerned.
> > Thanks for your time.
> > Jas
>
> i got them too
, unfort don't have the time right now but, I have been on Paxil 12 yrs, when ran out after 2 days zap every sec, then zoloft didn't work, Prozac, didn't work. effexor, didn't work, Cymbalta on for 6 weeks then came off "BAM" had them ever since 3 weeks, you know...its funny the Primary care that is the General Practitioners say..."humm" I've never heard of that" Like taking your care to a mechanic and it having a noise in the engine and they check the air in the tires. Think about it...
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