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Posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 25, 2004, at 10:50:35
I've been hearing and reading about how they measure megahertz in your food content.
All over the net people seem to agree on a few things:
The body needs at least 70 megahertz.
The average American diet rarely go above 50.
Leafy greens have the highest megahertz you need.Anyone know about this?
I think someone mentioned eating a leafy green vegetable supplement of some sort. Did that provide a lot more energy? Do you believe this is the reason why?
Our cells are sending electrical currents to do things with, so we're just fleshy robots after all I suppose.
Feeling tired, feeling sluggish? You need more energy, but can't plug into an electric socket without getting fried? Well, you could eat a lot of horrible tasting vegetables...
"Boo!" shouts the audience.
Or you could take these cool green pills with all the goodness and energy of vegetables without the unbelievably horrible taste.
"Yaa!"If it works for anyone mention a brand name please. There seem to be a lot of them out there.
Posted by rod on January 25, 2004, at 16:25:26
In reply to megahertz in your diet, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 25, 2004, at 10:50:35
uhh ohh
I have found something at:
http://www.snyderhealth.com/energize.htm...Each of the organs of your body has a certain amount of energy, of electrical energy, that can be measured in megahertz for it to be functioning healthfully...
Sorry this is nonsense. The physical unit of the Amount of Energy is Joule, not Megahertz. Megahertz is frequency. There are also pictures of Krilian Photography. Some people believe you can visualize ones aura with this techniqe. this is done by connecting a tesla transformator (high voltage and high frequency transformator) to you (a thing) and capture the energy flux via a film. It will generate a different picture for many people, depending on their skin moisture, tissue etc. and not your aura.
Do you know, how they measure the "Megahertz Energy" (lol)?
But one thing is for sure. We all are some kind of energy waves (dualism of matter, matter waves) with a frequency. But thats just not relevant in our macroscopic world IMO.
Do you have some other links to this topic?
greetings Roland
Posted by MegaFrank on January 31, 2004, at 23:17:59
In reply to Re: megahertz in your diet » Wolf Dreamer, posted by rod on January 25, 2004, at 16:25:26
Hey Roland,
I was just wondering if you actually READ the page you referenced above? It seems to me that all that page talks about is "frequencies" measured in megahertz. It's almost as if you didn't read that page at all.
I happen to be a big supporter of Vibrational Therapy, and everything I've learned (and through major experiencs) points to the benefits of eating a diet loaded with high frequency foods (such as veggies).
By the way, in case you aren't really sure what you're talking about:
All living creatures generate and emit radiation. Photons of light, electromagnetic frequencies, heat, sound, and scent are all emitted from our bodies. This wonderful and subtle system of exchange contains a wealth of information.
Kirlian photography introduces a high frequency, high voltage, ultra low current to the object being photographed. In traveling through and reacting with our complex systems, this influx of electrical energy amplifies and makes visible the bodies biological and energetic exchange. The camera and the subject interact to produce a corona of multifrequency energy waves- from low infrared to well past the visible spectrum.
Kirlian photography can be used to:
-Graphically illustrate the difference in presents of Life energy level before and after acupuncture, massage, raiky, Qi Ging, exercise, polarity, or any other body work.
-Monitor progression of bio-energy change over a period of time.
-Observe energy balance between upper/lower, left/right parts of the body.
-Visually monitor meridian activity.
-Observe the energy flow (or lack of it) between people.
-Monitor the flow of bio-energy in energy meridians (blocked or open meridians).
-Make the connection between mind and body obvious to yourself and your clients.
-Observe ones ability to consciously affect energy and record it on a film.
-Observe presence of life energy in leaves, insects, flowers, seeds, anything containing life energy.And, what the heck does "just not relevant in our macroscopic world" mean? Are you saying that things must be visible to the naked eye in order to be relevant to our health?
Sounds like you probably lead an unhealthy lifestyle. Just my opinion of course.
Frank
Posted by EscherDementian on February 1, 2004, at 2:39:23
In reply to Re: megahertz in your diet, posted by MegaFrank on January 31, 2004, at 23:17:59
Posted by rod on February 1, 2004, at 8:41:47
In reply to Re: megahertz in your diet, posted by MegaFrank on January 31, 2004, at 23:17:59
> Hey Roland,
>
> I was just wondering if you actually READ the page you referenced above?Hmm, are you the author of the page?
My qoute the time I did read:
...Each of the organs of your body has a certain amount of energy, of electrical energy, that can be measured in megahertz for it to be functioning healthfully...
Now its:
...Each of the organs of your body has a certain amount of vibrational frequency, of electrical energy, that can be measured in megahertz for it to be functioning healthfully...So someone has changed the content of the page. Now its sounds much better.
It seems to me that all that page talks about is "frequencies" measured in megahertz. It's almost as if you didn't read that page at all.
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> I happen to be a big supporter of Vibrational Therapy, and everything I've learned (and through major experiencs) points to the benefits of eating a diet loaded with high frequency foods (such as veggies).
>
> By the way, in case you aren't really sure what you're talking about:
>
> All living creatures generate and emit radiation. Photons of light, electromagnetic frequencies, heat, sound, and scent are all emitted from our bodies. This wonderful and subtle system of exchange contains a wealth of information.Of course thats true. I never doubted this.
> Kirlian photography introduces a high frequency, high voltage, ultra low current to the object being photographed. In traveling through and reacting with our complex systems, this influx of electrical energy amplifies and makes visible the bodies biological and energetic exchange. The camera and the subject interact to produce a corona of multifrequency energy waves- from low infrared to well past the visible spectrum.
>
> Kirlian photography can be used to:
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> -Graphically illustrate the difference in presents of Life energy level before and after acupuncture, massage, raiky, Qi Ging, exercise, polarity, or any other body work.Im sure accupuncture also alters perfusion of tissue -> diffentent photo
> -Monitor progression of bio-energy change over a period of time.
> -Observe energy balance between upper/lower, left/right parts of the body.
> -Visually monitor meridian activity.
> -Observe the energy flow (or lack of it) between people.Maybe if they like each other, they sweat more / less -> different picture.
> -Monitor the flow of bio-energy in energy meridians (blocked or open meridians).
> -Make the connection between mind and body obvious to yourself and your clients.
> -Observe ones ability to consciously affect energy and record it on a film.
> -Observe presence of life energy in leaves, insects, flowers, seeds, anything containing life energy.
>Im sure you cann see this, but I beleive there are other reasons. Alterations of the consciousness result for example in altered sweating, althered blood perfusion etc. Thats what make the end result different in my opinion.
I just dont believe in that. I also dont beleive in esoteric art. sorry. If its proven by a credible institution of physics for example, I sure change my mind.
> And, what the heck does "just not relevant in our macroscopic world" mean?
Ever happend, that you traveled to a wall of steel? I guess not. This wont happen to you, unless you are at the size of an electron for exapmle. This phenomenon is called "quantum tunnel" and is because of the "wave nature" of all particles. You wont experience phenomenons like that in our macroscopic world. Thats what I meant.
>Are you saying that things must be visible to the naked eye in order to be relevant to our health?No. I dont see vitamins, minerals with my naked eye. But I believe they are essential for healthy living. Thats not what I meant.
> Sounds like you probably lead an unhealthy lifestyle. Just my opinion of course.
Well, I smoke a pack of cigarettes and if you call that unhealthy, you are right. ;)
Sorry if I did offend some people, but thats freedom of speech, and I just dont believe in this.
Roland
>
> Frank
Posted by rod on February 1, 2004, at 9:19:28
In reply to Re: megahertz in your diet, posted by rod on February 1, 2004, at 8:41:47
How do they measure the frequency? Why 70 MHz? Im really interested in how this is done.
Roland
Posted by rod on February 1, 2004, at 10:27:13
In reply to Re: megahertz in your diet, posted by MegaFrank on January 31, 2004, at 23:17:59
There are many people who think the same way I do:
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may97/863469514.Ot.r.html
"...no good evidenced has been
produced that it is any better at predicting health than a simple guess..."
http://www.theness.com/pseudo.html"...A team of physicists and psychologists at Drexel University has spent some years studying the Kirlian effect, and has concluded that the major determinant in a Kirlian photograph is the amount of moisture present on the object or skin..."
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The New England Skeptical Society
Encyclopedia of Skepticism and the Paranormal
Kirlian photographyDescription
In 1961, Semyon Davidovitch Kirlian and Valentina Kirliana published a paper in the Russian Journal of Scientific and Applied Photography in which they described for the first time the process now known as Kirlian Photography. The method consists of placing an object or body part directly onto a piece of photographic paper and then passing a high voltage across the object (part of what makes the apparatus complicated, especially when using a human subject, is ensuring a high voltage with a low current). What the Kirlians discovered is that the photographic paper will become exposed and will show a glowing ‘aura’ around the object.Experimenters with Kirlian photography have created many colorful and beautiful images. The images are often associated with the objects’ ‘aura’, which is supposed to be a product of ‘bioenergy’ or ‘bioplasma.’ Kirlian photographers claim that different moods and levels of psychic power will show up in these photos. There are several examples of leaves from which a piece has been removed showing the ‘aura’ of the full leaf in a Kirlian photograph (the so-called phantom leaf effect). A great deal of research has been done by Dr. Thelma Moss of UCLA’s Neuropsychiatric Institute, and her former student, Kendall Johnson. Their conclusions are that Kirlian photography is a window onto the world of ‘bioenergy’, and they and others have linked Kirlian Photography to telepathy, orgone energy, N-rays, acupuncture, ancient eastern religions, and other paranormal phenomena. They also tout the possibility that Kirlian photography can provide early medical diagnoses of a variety of ailments. Moss and Johnson believe that the Kirlian photography actually depicts a heretofore invisible ‘astral body,’ while others believe that it is a merely an electrical effect that is somehow sensitive to psychic states.
The Skeptical Viewpont
There is no doubt that Kirlian photographs themselves are not fakes; they are photographing something, the question is exactly what are they capturing. The most likely explanation, one that is accepted even by many psychic believers, is that the effect is a kind of ‘Corona Discharge.’ Corona discharge is responsible for regular lightning, the sparks that come off your fingers after you walk on a carpet, and St. Elmo’s fire, among other effects. Nikola Tesla used to introduce new discoveries at presentations at which his body would glow and sparks would fly from his fingertips, using a similar technique.A team of physicists and psychologists at Drexel University has spent some years studying the Kirlian effect, and has concluded that the major determinant in a Kirlian photograph is the amount of moisture present on the object or skin. It is certainly plausible that different moods and stresses might create different amounts of moisture on the fingertips (for instance). This is the basis of the lie detector. Phantom leaf effects, on the other hand, are very rare – the Drexel team has never produced one, but they theorize a number of possibilities, including residue on the photographic plate and coincidence, not to mention the possibility of outright fraud in some cases.
Overall, although Kirlian photography is not perfectly understood, there is no evidence that variations in Kirlian photographs are due to any paranormal effects. The Drexel team has created a list of 25 factors that can effect a Kirlian photograph, including attributes of the skin, recent physical activity, and, yes, mental stress. All of them effect the amount of moisture on the skin. As for the medical possibilities of Kirlian photography, they are often overestimated. Variations have many causes, but it is very difficult to determine those causes from looking at a photograph – many of the known causes create exactly the same Kirlian variations.
References:
Davis, Mikol, and Lane, Earle, Rainbows of Life (Harper Colophon, 1978)
Moss, Dr. Thelma, The Probability of the Impossible (Plume, 1974)
Science and the Paranormal, edited by Barry Singer and George O. Abell, (Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1981)
The Skeptic Dictionary - http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/go/btcarrol/skeptic/kirlian.html-------------------------------------
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/kirlian.html"...scientific investigators have shown that Kirlian effects depend on physical factors that are well understood..."
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Kirlian Photography
Stephen Barrett, M.D.Kirlian photography allegedly depicts the body's "aura," a so-called "human energy field" that is said to be not ordinarily visible. During the procedure, the object, such as a person's hand, is placed on a photographic emulsion within an apparatus that generates a high-voltage (15,000 to 100,000 volts), low-amperage, high-frequency electric current. The resulting photo shows a fuzzy glow surrounding the outline of the object. Proponents correlate these patterns with acupuncture meridians and claim that "auric" qualities reveal changes in health and emotional state. Kirlian photography has also been claimed useful for demonstrating changes before and after chiropractic spinal manipulation. However, scientific investigators have shown that Kirlian effects depend on physical factors that are well understood.
Kirlian photography is named after Semyon Davidovich Kirlian (1900-1980), a Russian electrician who observed that an electric spark can "take its own picture" as it passes through a photographic emulsion. This phenomenon had been well known to physicists and electrical engineers since the earliest days of photography. But in 1939, Kirlian proclaimed that he was photographing a supernatural human energy field.
The Kirlian photographic process requires a high-voltage, high-frequency, alternating current supply. The basic process -- a corona discharge phenomenon -- occurs when an electrically grounded object discharges sparks between itself and an electrode generating the electrical field [1]. Two set-ups can be used to take Kirlian photographs. In the first, one end of the circuit is attached to an electrode above a piece of film, the other to an identical electrode below the piece of film. The second method involves grounding one electrode of the power supply and placing a dielectric slab on the other. A piece of film is then placed on the slab. Any object placed between two films in the first method, or on the film in the second method, will produce a beautiful photograph as "streamers" of charged particles leave any "bumpy" features of the object and pass through the film [2].
Kirlian himself did not understand the involved science. To him, the "fuzzy" field surrounding any object was a photograph of its "aura." He was ignored by Russian scientists, but during the early 1960s the Russian press and popular magazines promoted him as a "great discoverer." American and European journalists and pseudoscientists flocked to see him and returned home ready to "study the aura" and "probe the bioenergy field."
Kirlian photography is alleged to detect all types of disease (even before physical signs appear) and emotional states. Many "energy healers," "clairvoyants," and other occult practitioners still rely on it today. "Supernaturally gifted" people are claimed to generate unusually dramatic photos. However, scientific investigation has found that the outcome depends on the type of film, the voltage, the skin resistance (which can be affected by perspiration and the amount of pressure of the finger on the film), how well the subject is electrically grounded, the humidity of the room, the exposure time, the photographic development time, and even the order of the photograph in a series [3,4]. Moreover, coins and water droplets can generate Kirlian "auras" as effectively as living things. In fact, at least 22 physical, chemical, and photochemical characteristics can influence the coronal discharges seen in Kirlian photos.
References1. Guiley RE. Harper's Encyclopedia of Mystical & Paranormal Experience. San Francisco: Harper, 1991, pp 313-315.
2. Coker G. Kirlian photography and the "aura." ASTOP fact sheet, 1983.
3. Watkins AJ, Bickel WS. A study of the Kirlian effect. The Skeptical Inquirer 10:244-257, 1986.
4. Watkins AJ, Bickel WS. The Kirlian technique: Controlling the wild cards. The Skeptical Inquirer 13:172-184, 1989.
------------------------------------------These were just the first 2 pages of my google search.
> By the way, in case you aren't really sure what you're talking about:Hey, I am sure what I am talking about. Since I study at university that has someting to do with electricity and physics. I just believe in facts, not fiction.
greetings
Roland
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 2, 2004, at 21:54:15
In reply to Re: megahertz in your diet, posted by MegaFrank on January 31, 2004, at 23:17:59
> It's almost as if you didn't read that page at all.
>
> Sounds like you probably lead an unhealthy lifestyle.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down,
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