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Posted by Dr. Bob on October 20, 2003, at 22:53:17
In reply to Re: I feel GREAT on tryptophan! ! no more anxiety/ocd!, posted by matthhhh on October 20, 2003, at 17:17:04
> hey lar, i ordered the stuff from the gp site and have no urges at all. did u ever try the tryptophan from that site?
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 21, 2003, at 13:55:31
In reply to Re: I feel GREAT on tryptophan! ! « matthhhh, posted by Dr. Bob on October 20, 2003, at 22:53:17
> > hey lar, i ordered the stuff from the gp site and have no urges at all.
I was tryint to be humorous. I was referring to attributes of horses, now that you're using a horse supplement, eh?
> did u ever try the tryptophan from that site?
Soon. Now, which are you using? The cheap stuff, or the ultrapure?
Lar
Posted by McPac on October 21, 2003, at 18:27:39
In reply to Re: I feel GREAT on tryptophan! !, posted by Larry Hoover on October 21, 2003, at 13:55:31
Matt, Lar---
I tried about 1200 mg's of the GP Ultra-Pure just a little while ago....I had a really hard time trying to mix that stuff with some orange juice! It just didn't want to mix. I really can't take it much at all now since I'm on Lexapro (and Remeron)....just thought I'd try a dose for the heck of it since I bought the stuff and it was just sitting there...just wanted to see what I'd notice, if anything, on only one dose. Later!
Posted by McPac on October 21, 2003, at 18:55:18
In reply to Re: I feel GREAT on tryptophan! !, posted by McPac on October 21, 2003, at 18:27:39
Just wanted to mention that after downing some of that GP tryptophan, I ran the quarter-mile in under 12 seconds!
Posted by loolot on October 21, 2003, at 21:54:53
In reply to Lar, Re: I feel GREAT on tryptophan! !, posted by McPac on October 21, 2003, at 18:55:18
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 22, 2003, at 15:47:06
In reply to Where do you get tryptophan? (nm), posted by loolot on October 21, 2003, at 21:54:53
Here's a relatively inexpensive source. Veterinary supply products are quality products.
http://www.buygpdirect.com/gpefeed.htm
You can pay much higher prices at health food stores. Tryptophan is *not* illegal to sell for human consumption, in the United States.
The FDA quietly lifted the ban on tryptophan in 1994.
See:
http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-tryp1.html"Although FDA continues to enunciate its concern about the safety of dietary supplements containing L-tryptophan and related compounds such as L-5-hydroxytryptophan, this does not mean that FDA prohibits the marketing of dietary supplements that contain L-tryptophan. Under the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act), as amended by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA), the manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that its products are safe. A firm is not required to obtain premarket review or approval from the FDA of its products before marketing them as dietary supplements. Moreover, a firm is not required to submit scientific evidence to FDA of the safety of its products or ingredients. While we are unaware of conclusive scientific data that would establish that a dietary supplement L-tryptophan would be safe, if a firm has information that it believes establishes that a product containing L-tryptophan is safe within the meaning of the Act, it could market such a product as a dietary supplement. The burden and responsibility for assuring that such a product is not adulterated under the Act is with the firm and not FDA."
Posted by KellyD on October 22, 2003, at 21:18:50
In reply to Re: Where do you get tryptophan? » loolot, posted by Larry Hoover on October 22, 2003, at 15:47:06
Posted by matthhhh on October 23, 2003, at 15:23:33
In reply to Run for the Roses? (nm), posted by KellyD on October 22, 2003, at 21:18:50
hey lar and everyone, im kind of worried about this tryptophan im taking. I mean i feel really good! on it and im afraid because its says its not intended for human consumption. Is this stuff really dangerous that im taking?? Could it be different from the tryptophan sold by prescription?
Posted by matthhhh on October 23, 2003, at 15:26:22
In reply to Afraid about tryptophan, posted by matthhhh on October 23, 2003, at 15:23:33
by the way, if it is legal in the US why are so many companies selling under "veternary use only" like the gp site and the biochemicals.com site? thanks
Posted by john1022 on October 23, 2003, at 18:21:44
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by matthhhh on October 23, 2003, at 15:26:22
Is it really legal in the U.S.? How come places like GNC and Vitamin World don't sell it?
Posted by matthhhh on October 24, 2003, at 20:35:13
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by john1022 on October 23, 2003, at 18:21:44
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684844885/drbobsvirte00-20
Use this link, its at amazon.com.
Posted by McPac on October 25, 2003, at 19:30:41
In reply to The real story on tryptophan..., posted by matthhhh on October 24, 2003, at 20:35:13
Is the tryptophan still working well for you?
You mentioned that you used to take 5htp but it didn't give you the positive effects that trytophan has...were you taking enough of the 5htp to produce positive effects (or was the dose very small)?
Thanks!
Posted by matthhhh on October 25, 2003, at 20:12:54
In reply to Matt, Re: The real story on tryptophan..., posted by McPac on October 25, 2003, at 19:30:41
Tryptophan is still working like a miracle. I still cant believe it! i was taking up to 200mg at a time of different brands of 5 htp plus all the other supposed serotonin boosters and they did absolutely nothing.
Posted by McPac on October 26, 2003, at 11:18:21
In reply to Re: Matt, Re: The real story on tryptophan..., posted by matthhhh on October 25, 2003, at 20:12:54
Matt,
how much tryptophan are you taking each day?
Also, what are you mixing the powder with (I tried orange juice but the tryptophan doesn't mix well at all with that). Thanks!
Posted by matthhhh on October 27, 2003, at 18:20:07
In reply to Matt, Re: The real story on tryptophan..., posted by McPac on October 26, 2003, at 11:18:21
Hey there, im taking just a little bit, probably a little less than 500mg per morning and around 250 mg in the afternoon. The tryptophan i got from the gp site comes with a little measure cup thats about 1100 mg per scoop, so i usually take little less than half per morning- not really much at all. So where did u get your tryptophan? have u tried the stuff from the gp site?
Posted by McPac on October 28, 2003, at 23:14:51
In reply to Re: Matt, Re: The real story on tryptophan..., posted by matthhhh on October 27, 2003, at 18:20:07
Hi Matt,
I bought my tryptophan from the same site as you...I got the Ultra-Pure also....only problem is that I'm on an ssri so I am very leery of taking the tryptophan....I had the tryptophan for a few weeks and didn't take any due to the ssri...but, finally, I've tried it on only 2 separate occassions...and both times I felt a good bit better after taking it (happier, more calm)....I wish I could take it every day but I can't chance that with the ssri (bummer!)...good luck!
Posted by matthhhh on October 29, 2003, at 16:14:03
In reply to Matt, Re: The real story on tryptophan..., posted by McPac on October 28, 2003, at 23:14:51
Hey MacPac, my experience with the ssris is that they caused my way too much sedation. They worked nice for a month or two but then went downhill from there.
Id say if the tryptophan works for you, then stick with that because its natural. But understand what your saying, that you dont want to take both at once.
Im still astonished that the tryptophan from that gp site has worked so well. I got a prescription for tryptophan today, so im anxious to see if it works as well as the veternary stuff.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:39:59
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by matthhhh on October 23, 2003, at 15:26:22
> by the way, if it is legal in the US why are so many companies selling under "veternary use only" like the gp site and the biochemicals.com site? thanks
The answer is simple: To avoid red tape. If they sell it for human consumption, the onus is on them for the safety of the product. If they sell it for veterinary use, they avoid FDA oversight.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:41:22
In reply to Afraid about tryptophan, posted by matthhhh on October 23, 2003, at 15:23:33
> hey lar and everyone, im kind of worried about this tryptophan im taking. I mean i feel really good! on it and im afraid because its says its not intended for human consumption. Is this stuff really dangerous that im taking?? Could it be different from the tryptophan sold by prescription?
You're worried because it's working? In my opinion, the product you are taking is equivalent to human prescription grade tryptophan.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:43:04
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by john1022 on October 23, 2003, at 18:21:44
> Is it really legal in the U.S.? How come places like GNC and Vitamin World don't sell it?
It's really legal in the U.S. It was quietly made legal again, in 1994.
See:
http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-tryp1.html"Although FDA continues to enunciate its concern about the safety of dietary supplements containing L-tryptophan and related compounds such as L-5-hydroxytryptophan, this does not mean that FDA prohibits the marketing of dietary supplements that contain L-tryptophan. Under the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act), as amended by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA), the manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that its products are safe. A firm is not required to obtain premarket review or approval from the FDA of its products before marketing them as dietary supplements. Moreover, a firm is not required to submit scientific evidence to FDA of the safety of its products or ingredients. While we are unaware of conclusive scientific data that would establish that a dietary supplement L-tryptophan would be safe, if a firm has information that it believes establishes that a product containing L-tryptophan is safe within the meaning of the Act, it could market such a product as a dietary supplement. The burden and responsibility for assuring that such a product is not adulterated under the Act is with the firm and not FDA."
Lar
Posted by lotus on November 2, 2003, at 22:17:24
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan » john1022, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:43:04
Is there a difference between pharmaceutical grade and prescription grade?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 3, 2003, at 8:32:02
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by lotus on November 2, 2003, at 22:17:24
> Is there a difference between pharmaceutical grade and prescription grade?
No. Just my semantic sloppiness.
Lar
Posted by matthhhh on November 3, 2003, at 20:12:49
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by lotus on November 2, 2003, at 22:17:24
ive recently switched from the veternary to the precription tryptophan 1000mg day. It works amazing! and no side effects! it blows ssris and all the other amino acids away, of course i suppose everyone reacts differently though.
Posted by McPac on November 3, 2003, at 20:37:15
In reply to Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by matthhhh on November 3, 2003, at 20:12:49
Lar,
I took about 1,100 mg's of tryptophan and felt my moods lifted (happier) and also much less physical anxiety (more calm)....after ONE dose I felt a difference.....I then repeated this on 2 other occassions (each time spaced many days apart), again I felt the same way each time. Can tryptophan affect someone after only one dose (I felt better within hours)? I don't believe this was a placebo effect at all but I wonder how trytophan could cause this effect so quickly? Unfortunately, I'm taking an ssri now (Lexapro, 20 mg's/day) and am therefore VERY hesitant to take the tryptophan regularly at all...bummer. Thanks!
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 4, 2003, at 9:29:55
In reply to Lar, Re: Afraid about tryptophan, posted by McPac on November 3, 2003, at 20:37:15
> Lar,
> I took about 1,100 mg's of tryptophan and felt my moods lifted (happier) and also much less physical anxiety (more calm)....after ONE dose I felt a difference.....I then repeated this on 2 other occassions (each time spaced many days apart), again I felt the same way each time.How long did the positive effect last?
> Can tryptophan affect someone after only one dose (I felt better within hours)?
Sure. Do you distrust your own experience?
> I don't believe this was a placebo effect at all but I wonder how trytophan could cause this effect so quickly?
Pure aminos go into the blood quickly. The effect lags just behind the blood concentration.
> Unfortunately, I'm taking an ssri now (Lexapro, 20 mg's/day) and am therefore VERY hesitant to take the tryptophan regularly at all...bummer. Thanks!
Why hesitate? You pay exquisite attention to how you feel. I pay attention like that, too. It's just how I am.....very sensitive.
Lar
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