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Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 19:07:53
In reply to Re: tweet / facebook options, posted by Dr. Bob on October 27, 2009, at 4:59:06
I am curious after reading through this entire thread if this is "Bob's" ENTIRE answer to all the questions about why... Facebook/Twitter ?
***Like you, however, Facebook and Twitter users are real people who can benefit from support and education. Sharing and tweeting might lead them to the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here, and then they might join Babble and contribute new perspectives and energy. I think good can come of this -- for current posters, for new posters, and for this community as a whole.***
***I don't think it would necessarily be sick, twisted, outrageous, or demeaning to share/tweet a post about suicidality or rape or abuse. People post in the first place because they're looking for support or information, and they're more likely to find it if more people see their post.
Bob***
Is this "YOUR" opinion and/or "YOUR" reasoning?
oky
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 10, 2010, at 2:11:10
In reply to Re: tweet / facebook options » Dr. Bob, posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 19:07:53
> Is this "YOUR" opinion and/or "YOUR" reasoning?
Yes, I wouldn't have posted it otherwise...
Bob
Posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 7:56:55
Hi admin people :-)
I know you've probably covered this ad nauseum, but if you would humor me...I was gone when all this started.
I came across the page where I can select whether or not I want the tweet/share buttons on my posts. I selected no.
Does this mean that none of my posts will go to facebook and twitter? Or does it just mean I can't use those tools? Can you, and other posters share/tweet my posts to fb and twitter?
Dr. Bob, do I have the option to request/select that my posts not be moved to other sites? I'm really not looking for a debate, I just want to make sure I understand your current policies. I'm still catchin up.
Thanx in advance for your reply,
~Jade
Posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 8:39:02
In reply to Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 7:56:55
Hello Jade,
I'm not admin or a deputy, but I can answer your question.
> Does this mean that none of my posts will go to facebook and twitter?
It means people can't put your posts on their facebook or twitter via the buttons, but there is nothing to stop people from copy and pasting your post onto any site on the web (as is the case with any forum). Since you turned the buttons off, it means there is no button for people to impulsively tweet or facebook your posts.
> Or does it just mean I can't use those tools?
It means you and others can't tweet or facebook your posts via the buttons. Other people don't see the buttons on your posts too.
> Can you, and other posters share/tweet my posts to fb and twitter?
Anyone on the Internet can share/tweet your posts to facebook and twitter by just copy and pasting, just like with any other site on the Internet. Without the buttons however, people are not given an option to impulsively do so.
> Dr. Bob, do I have the option to request/select that my posts not be moved to other sites?
Getting rid of the buttons means Dr. Bob won't tweet or share your posts on Facebook. It also tells other posters that you do not want your posts to be tweeted or shared, but in theory there is no way to prevent others from copy and pasting your posts onto other sites, as is the case with anything online.
Posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 8:56:11
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 8:39:02
Hey Deneb,
Dr. Bob needs to sign you on. Thank you for the clear and complete post, I wasn't expecting that so fast. No further response is needed :-)
~Jade
ps-I feel better now, my posts aren't worth cutting and pasting...
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 15:01:42
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 8:39:02
> > Or does it just mean I can't use those tools?
>
> It means you and others can't tweet or facebook your posts via the buttons. Other people don't see the buttons on your posts too.But you can still use those tools on other posts (when those posters leave them turned on).
> ps-I feel better now, my posts aren't worth cutting and pasting...
Are your questions worth answering? Sharing or tweeting your posts could help you get your questions answered.
And of course assuming your posts aren't worth cutting and pasting could be seen as an example of the LWE. :-)
Bob
Posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 16:22:48
In reply to Re: FB/Tweet questions, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 15:01:42
> > > Or does it just mean I can't use those tools?
> >
> > It means you and others can't tweet or facebook your posts via the buttons. Other people don't see the buttons on your posts too.
>
> But you can still use those tools on other posts (when those posters leave them turned on).
>
> > ps-I feel better now, my posts aren't worth cutting and pasting...
>
> Are your questions worth answering? Sharing or tweeting your posts could help you get your questions answered.
>
> And of course assuming your posts aren't worth cutting and pasting could be seen as an example of the LWE. :-)
>
> BobDr. Bob,
As always, with all due respect, do you often have to ask yourself if a person is joking or not? Feel like maybe you dont "get" certain kinds of humor? (just as I have never gotten yours?)
"ps-I feel better now, my posts aren't worth cutting and pasting..."
Anyone who knows me would know I was kidding. I was just relieved that I'd made it more difficult for people to send my posts to sites [where I know people!] I know that doesn't make you happy, but it was my choice.
> Are your questions worth answering? Sharing or tweeting your posts {{could help you}} get your questions answered.
Yes, and no thank you. I do just fine.
> And of course assuming your posts aren't worth cutting and pasting could be seen as an example of the LWE. :-)
And of course, here we go again. You don't know me Dr. Bob. Please stop looking for ways to prove that my self worth is flawed in some way. YOU may not like me, and I'm okay with that. Can't please everyone, right? Please know that my sense of self esteem is strongly in tact :-)
"Poor Jade, she was once so proud to be a babbler, ohh, woe be her!"
see? joking.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2010, at 15:21:23
In reply to Re: FB/Tweet questions » Dr. Bob, posted by jade k on July 17, 2010, at 16:22:48
> > ps-I feel better now, my posts aren't worth cutting and pasting...
>
> Anyone who knows me would know I was kidding.Sorry, I guess I don't know you, at least not well enough.
Bob
Posted by jade k on July 19, 2010, at 15:49:41
In reply to Re: kidding » jade k, posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2010, at 15:21:23
> > ps-I feel better now, my posts aren't worth cutting and pasting...
>
\(Bob) Are your questions worth answering? Sharing or tweeting your posts could help you get your questions answered.
(Bob) And of course assuming your posts aren't worth cutting and pasting could be seen as an example of the LWE. :-)Dr. Bob,
You are repeatedly posting the LWBehere (its old), in addition, you are repeatedly trying to point out what you must perceive to be my weaknesses.
I'm curious as to why you are doing this. Clearly in this thread you are upset that I declined to have access to my posts via the fb and tweet buttons.
Is this what its all about? Because I had a look at the Facebook page...I can see why you are upset with me, and maybe with babblers as we are not using the links.
I really don't like the way you are treating me. In addition, you moved the posts around so that the point and rating system discussion fell back onto Deneb (she felt/feels). Why would you do that?
~Jade
Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2010, at 21:56:09
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 8:39:02
How do I know if my posts can be Facebooked or Tweeted?
I have't clicked any buttons in the control function of Babble (whatever it is called and wherever it is).
Posted by Dinah on July 19, 2010, at 22:03:15
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by sigismund on July 19, 2010, at 21:56:09
You must have opted out at some point.
If you look at the bottom of your posts, you won't see the Facebook/Twitter items you would see if you look at a post of Dr. Bob's (for example).
Posted by fayeroe on July 19, 2010, at 22:43:38
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by sigismund on July 19, 2010, at 21:56:09
Posted by emme on July 20, 2010, at 5:38:06
In reply to Re: FB/Tweet questions, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 15:01:42
If I understand correctly, your post can still be effectively tweeted/facebooked if someone includes your original post in a reply and *their* buttons are turned on.
So once the thread gets going, if people are including previous posts in their replies, opting out of the buttons becomes almost meaningless.
Do I have that right? This is one reason I rarely post here even though I disabled the buttons for my own posts.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2010, at 11:16:48
In reply to Re: FB/Tweet questions, posted by emme on July 20, 2010, at 5:38:06
> If I understand correctly, your post can still be effectively tweeted/facebooked if someone includes your original post in a reply and *their* buttons are turned on.
It depends what you mean by "effectively". Your post wouldn't be included, at least not by default:
> By default, sharing/tweeting includes the subject line and the URL of the post. In the case of Facebook, it also includes the beginning of the post (the same "preview", which excludes quoted text, that you get when you mouse over a link to it here). In both cases, people can edit before they submit.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090813/msgs/922824.html
But clicking on the URL would show their whole post, which would in this case include your post. And even if they didn't include your post, there would be the "in reply to" link, so your post would be one more click away.
Which IMO isn't so different than Google.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 11:35:37
In reply to Re: FB/Tweet questions, posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2010, at 11:16:48
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:07:40
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions » sigismund, posted by Dinah on July 19, 2010, at 22:03:15
>If you look at the bottom of your posts, you won't see the Facebook/Twitter items you would see if you look at a post of Dr. Bob's (for example).
Yes, and since I see none with your post, I can assume you have opted out too?
I should be able to get this under my belt by and by.
Posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 15:14:20
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions » Dinah, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:07:40
> >If you look at the bottom of your posts, you won't see the Facebook/Twitter items you would see if you look at a post of Dr. Bob's (for example).
>
> Yes, and since I see none with your post, I can assume you have opted out too?
>
> I should be able to get this under my belt by and by.Hey Sigi,
read emme's post. I opted out my first post back, and Bob still posted 2 of my posts (both embarressing) on twitter. Hope this gets to you, I'm about to be blocked,
See ya,
Jade
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:35:55
In reply to Re: FB/T*depends on the definition of 'is'*Bob (nm), posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 11:35:37
Can you say different than?
Posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 15:39:25
In reply to Re: FB/T*depends on the definition of 'is'*Bob » fayeroe, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:35:55
I was referring to President Clinton saying "it depends upon what the definition of "is" is" during his "I did not have sex with that woman" period.
You can say anything you choose but please keep it civil. :-)
Posted by Dinah on July 20, 2010, at 18:48:42
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions » Dinah, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:07:40
Yes, I opted out.
I never particularly minded *Dr. Bob* tweeting me because I'd know who, how, and more or less why.
I didn't like the idea of being tweeted with my only knowledge being the counter next to the icon. While I know it could be done in other ways, it just made me feel uncomfortable to have a blanket invitation at the bottom of my posts. And the counter would have driven me insane (or more insane).
Posted by violette on July 20, 2010, at 20:47:10
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by Deneb on July 17, 2010, at 8:39:02
NO ONE has the incentive to take my posts, or the posts of anyone else here-and repeatedly cut and paste them to other sites, non-mental health sites like Facebook and Twitter, commonly used for news, entertainment, gossip, evesdropping, social drama, or whatever.
It is NOT the same thing.
Dr. Bob is the only one who has a reason to do this, and people here have said over, and over, and over...that they do NOT like it.
It seems that most of the people who do not like it just quit posting here, or rarely post anymore-same as what I am doing.
It is NOT the same thing. Just because it *can* be done "in theory" does not mean anyone *would* have the time or reason to do it. The ONLY reason it is being done is because Dr. Bob chooses to do this.
"but in theory there is no way to prevent others from copy and pasting your posts onto other sites, as is the case with anything online."
Posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 21:39:50
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by violette on July 20, 2010, at 20:47:10
Deneb, I was busy earlier or I would have posted this when I read your post.
I have been reading Violette's posts and agree with her that no one is going to just pop in and copy and paste our posts to FB or Twtr. Putting lipstick on a pig won't change the fact that it is a pig.
And as I recall, you are one of the very few who didn't mind if Bob took your posts to FB and Twtr. I, however, opted out and I would not be happy to see that somehow a post of mine (from Babble) ended up on either social network.
Speaking for myself, you and anyone else here can praise Bob's plan til the cows come home and I will not change my mind.
Posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 23:34:20
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions » violette, posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 21:39:50
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2010, at 23:41:57
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob or Deputy, FB/Tweet questions, posted by violette on July 20, 2010, at 20:47:10
> I opted out my first post back, and Bob still posted 2 of my posts (both embarressing) on twitter.
>
> JadeIf I did that and you had already opted out, that was my mistake, sorry.
> Dr. Bob is the only one who has a reason to do this, and people here have said over, and over, and over...that they do NOT like it.
>
> violetteI may be doing it most, but I don't see myself as the only one who has a reason to. People who don't want it to be done are free to opt out.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on July 23, 2010, at 0:55:34
In reply to Re: FB/Tweet questions, posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2010, at 23:41:57
From Newsweek.
Face-to-Facebook Friend Feed: We talk to Facebook users (and self-proclaimed addicts) about how the social networking site fits into their lives. Download the video as a podcast for your portable device: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/newsweek-video/id88000805This week Facebook will register its 500 millionth member. It's a milestone both significant and meaningless: yes, it's a reminder of just how big the social-media giant has become, but reallydid we need reminding? That Facebook is a part of many Americans' daily lives is clear. But how it's affecting those lives is still being examined. We know that Facebook can be good for your health, and that it can make everything from networking to sharing photos easier. But there's also a potentially sinister side, even aside from dubious privacy issues. Below, 10 ways that Facebook can do more harm than good.
1. You'll be reunited with your biological parents. This can be good news, but it's not always. Take Prince Sagala, who found her biological children on Facebookchildren she alleges were kidnapped more than a decade ago by her ex-husband. The mom and kids are now reunited. The only problem: the kids grew up with their dad and don't want anything to do with the parent who now has custody. And in an even more horrifying story, Aimee Sword was sentenced to nine to 30 years in prison recently for sexually abusing her 15-year-old biological son, whom she tracked down on Facebook.
2. Your creditors can track you down. Creditors use Facebook as a way to both track the movements of debtors and keep their eyes on any potential assets that could be seized to cover those debts. At first, lenders may use Facebook to determine whether you're a worthy candidate for a loan. But should you come to owe a creditor money, the company can track you down and discover your assets by monitoring your Facebook feed.
3. Your insurers can deny your claims. Remember the woman who was receiving workers' compensation for depression, only to be "outed" by Facebook pictures of her smiling? Her insurance benefits were cut off, with insurers saying that her photos showed she was ready to return to work. That's left attorneys who argue for disability benefits concerned. Many now advise against giving away too much on Facebook.
4. Your ex can use it against you in a divorce. Facebook is a popular tool for divorce attorneys, who comb pages of their clients' spouses for evidence of neglect, infidelity, or deception. (One study suggests that Facebook comes up in one out of five new divorce petitions). Mashable says a woman lost custody of her children after her ex proved she was spending time tending her crops on Farmville instead of spending quality time with her kids, while divorce lawyers have given multiple interviews extolling the site's virtues as a way to air damaging dirty laundry.
5. It could make you depressed. Researchers from Stony Brook University in New York found that teenage girls who spend the most time discussing their lives with friends were more likely to be depressed. Apparently, spending too much time dwelling on gossip and your problems can make you feel worse, not better. The researchers didn't study Facebook in particular, but they indicated that social-networking sites such as Facebook made it easier for people to be in constant contact with friends and perpetuate the unhealthy discussions.
6. It can cost you a job. A British survey of employers found that half of those polled had turned down job candidates once something unsavory about that candidate surfaced on Facebook. (Examples include tales of drunkenness, photos of illegal activity, and bad grammar.) In the U.S., 20 percent of employers admit to scoping out the Facebook pages of potential job candidates, while 9 percent say they're going to start soon.
7. It can out you to your family. Even if you're discreet on Facebook, your loose-lipped friends might not be and could post comments on your wall that betray your secrets. But there are also more insidious outings going on: MIT students designed an algorithm that successfully pinpointed gay users by analyzing how many of their friends were gay.
8. It can make it easier for your stalker or abusive partner to follow your movements. Let's be honest: if there weren't Facebook, abusers would find another trigger to set off their rage. But Facebook has made it easier for these people to keep tabs on their victims and respond to their movements, even after the victim has tried to sever ties. In one particularly sad case, a woman who changed her Facebook status to "single" was killed by her husband, from whom she had separated. After seeing her status, he broke into her home and stabbed her repeatedly.
9. You can be sued for libel. There are already several cases of libel suits over content posted on Facebook. In Britain, where libel is easier to prove than in the U.S., a businessman won £22,000 when a former classmate created a fake profile full of defamatory information. Stateside, an Ohio-area band sued a Facebook "hate group," and a Michigan towing company sued a student who created a Facebook page alleging that the company tows legally parked cars. (The company says those claims are false.) So far, the law appears to be on the poster's side. But it's still a hassle.
10. Your kids could be targeted by predators. After a teenage girl in England was murdered by a sex offender who posed as a teenager on Facebook, the British version of the site added a "panic button" that allows teens to report any unwanted attentionincluding cyber-bullyingdirectly to the authorities. But the button is not yet on U.S. or other international versions of Facebook, and it's unclear whether the company plans to add it.
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