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Posted by Justherself54 on February 11, 2010, at 11:31:55
In reply to Re: being blocked again, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:35:23
I don't want to see Manic blocked again. It may be his nature to "shoot from the hip". It's a hard habit to break..this I know from experience! I've already posted on this thread about what has helped me..the "would I say this directly to the person, across a table from me, knowing I'm ill and they are ill. It's helped me a lot. I think Manic really does have a heart of gold..
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 11:50:22
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Justherself54 on February 11, 2010, at 11:11:35
> I have to agree with Dinah. We should be going the extra mile. We are a dwindling family. In any family, there are those relatives we don't get on well with, or annoy the crap out of us. But we bear with them and try not to let them get under our skin. Even with my most annoying family members I refrain from pointing out their flaws..as it would be unkind and I'm sure they are well aware of them, as they are with mine. I have been know to shoot from the hip out of annoyance, but I'm really trying to work on it. I try to use the "in real life" scenario. Whould I really say that to a person whom I know is ill, and who was sitting directly across from me, sharing a coffee? That little scenario has stopped a lot of my shooting from the hip behaviour.
Beautifully said, JHS. Just what I was trying to say myself, only you managed to catch the spirit much better.
I like that way of thinking about it, too. It's a good question to ask on the anonymous internet.
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 12:15:05
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 9:49:38
Hi Dinah no don't think came first and I'm sure you are correct about three boards being present in the beginning. It really makes a lot of sense to me. I am combining responses here. I post newsletter information from my nursing newsletter that comes on my computer and the articles overlap. As for instance taking into account many illnesses the newsletters point out that a med may be good for a mental illness and then from the mental illness it helps is approved for lets say fibromyalgia that seems to have a lot of causes from thyroid to lymes, to Epstein Barr, to more complex autoimmune diseases. So how can you separate them? Also lots of meds are being approved for physical conditions and then used for mental disorders. There is a cross over from health to psych. Untreated depression leads or can lead to heart disease, stress to many illnessnes or recurrence or flairs of chronic illnesses. Very not gray but I guess it's kind of All intertwined one may effect the other. And meds for psychiatric illness may treat another. Manic you are fine in my book too. I know you like to help others. I'm really glad the communication seems to be opening up again. I do agree with Justherself that technical stuff is above my head too. I had originally thought neurotransmitters would teach us less technical brains how they work and some have taught me a lot and directed their explanations to me directly and thanks to them seriously. Love Phillipa. seriously I want to see babble become the wonderful site it was. Support for others is a wonderful thing.
Posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 13:05:13
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
me an phillipa always talk like that to each other. we dont fall out over it ./// i dont know any other way to express myself . i have 2 buttons fired up/ an love total love//it may be weired an look vindictive but its not. i carnt help it its passion///i can help the newbies an connect with them they post to me.///we all no what its like when depression hits , i carnt remember the first tme. but these people are on there first experience ,its scary enough ,///and they are reaching out ,an take what is said as gospel.thats why i get fired up.i dont wont them hurt .////The qoute i made obout editing posts .///i dont mean for as long as you like.they leave your post just long enough for you to alter or change your mind,about 10 minutes // i fell victim of the way you discribe . /this site let them edit there post indefinetly an a woman let of a torrent of abuse at me ./// i mean f***ing an swearing,i answered not swearing but all guns. she deleted her post before the mods saw mine an i got the ban.//A newbie forum would be cool , you no get them settled an when the time comes let them ask the questions when they feel safe an not overwelmed
Posted by janejane on February 11, 2010, at 13:12:01
In reply to Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by mystified on February 9, 2010, at 13:10:44
I'd prefer to have just one big board. There's really not enough traffic on any of the non-med boards to justify having them, in my opinion. Most times I click over to see if there's anything new on other boards, and there's nothing there for days. I don't bother posting to most of them anymore either, because I figure they won't be read. And there are some boards I don't even bother checking at all, even though once in a while there might be something interesting. For example, I only came to this board today because Phillipa told me there was activity. Otherwise I probably wouldn't think of coming here. I'm sure there are others who don't check the admin board who would probably like to add to this discussion, but they don't even know it's happening.
Also, like Phillipa says, there's a lot of overlap so some threads could fit into more than one area.
I think it's usually easy to tell by a topic title whether a thread is something I'd be interested in reading and I don't need them to be separated out in subcategories to figure that out. If there were more traffic overall, it'd be a different story, but since there's not a lot, I like the idea of a catchall psychobabble board, one big gathering place.
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 13:25:30
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 13:05:13
Hi Manic yes we do have our squabbles but usually we do it via e-mail. We like each other and sometimes just fight verbally like normal people in real life. so we're fine with each other. We understand each other right manic? Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 13:27:17
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by janejane on February 11, 2010, at 13:12:01
Jane so well put that's exactly what I'm trying to say being too wordy. Perfect!!!!! Love Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 13:31:33
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 13:05:13
You should give yourself more credit, Manic. I've seen you express yourself in other ways.
Expressing yourself "fired up" is going to end in PBC's and blocks. Maybe it would be better to step away from the computer when you're feeling that way? So that Dr. Bob doesn't force the stepping away from Babble?
In the end, it comes down to pragmatics. If you wish to be able to express yourself any way you like even if it costs you a block (and even if other people could feel hurt by it), that's a valid decision. If you'd rather express yourself in a way that avoids a block (and possibly frustrates you or makes you feel like you're not being yourself), that's a valid decision too.
I totally agree with you about editing/deleting. A very bad idea unless safeguards are in place.
Posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 14:30:30
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » manic666, posted by Dinah on February 11, 2010, at 13:31:33
phillipa sure its ok, we no the score by now.im in the middle of a med change to citalopram. bit more up front than normal,// if thats possible// .im not useing that as an excuse, were ok.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 19:17:33
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by janejane on February 11, 2010, at 13:12:01
> > Would you be willing to notify us of ones you consider difficult to follow?
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> Sure. By notifying, do you mean by link on this thread or the regular way.
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> Justherself54The regular way, using the button. Thanks!
> I'd prefer to have just one big board. There's really not enough traffic on any of the non-med boards to justify having them, in my opinion.
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> janejaneI'll take a look at the traffic, maybe consolidating further would make sense. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2010, at 19:54:24
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 19:17:33
Dr Bob please read a lot of posts carefully and see that in quite a few cases there is a definite link between a physical illness and it leads to depression. Pain, thyroid proven now to be very common in depression and anxiety if hyper. I find it hard to send a person to health if fibromyalgia is what caused their depression, thyroid, or autoimmune diseases, and the huge link that theraphy is so helpful in acceptance of problems physical and mental. Love Phillipa
Posted by mystified on February 11, 2010, at 22:37:36
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by Dr. Bob on February 11, 2010, at 10:36:45
> > Recent redirects lead me to believe Dr. Bob continues to want the forum topics categorized. I wish he would weigh in on this.
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> > mystified
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> I continue to want the forum topics categorized. :-)I am glad to hear that. I have a sneaking feeling that the only way that's going to work is if the med forum is closely monitored. Some are not going change their posting habits and feel everything belongs there.
I wish ppl would realize this is not about silencing any discussions, it's about being clear in the focus of the med board. I believe it should be about meds as that is, more than likely, what anyone is going to believe it's about as THAT IS its name. I think it should focus on psych meds.
My toe fungus might be related to my mental health but discussion of that ===== I FEEL ===== does not belong on the med board. However, there is an available board here for that very discussion :)
Posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 0:27:57
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Dr. Bob, posted by mystified on February 11, 2010, at 22:37:36
Do you post on meds? Curious? Or read? Many seem to like the inclusion of all types of meds as so many used off approved useage for other conditions they were approved originally for which are not psych conditions. The posters will I feel have their feelings and say. Then Dr Bob will ultimately decide whether more posters is best or less. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on February 12, 2010, at 4:40:42
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 0:27:57
the thyriod may or may not belong on meds..///you see in england you are tested for thyriod soon as you seek help for depression///.not always at the gps. he will try out ads, if its a short term prob in his eyes,// but if you are sent for a hospital diagnosis, they look to the pysical first. /// ie, thyriod , brain scan, nuro,about 20 blood tests .// then you start metal illness talks,so you americans are behing us on the front line.// but the down side is its a 1 to 2 year waiting list to see a p doc.. // i was found to be a total nutball but i did have a thyriod prob , albe not a big one ./// but i take meds for it to this day, and after my last blood test i was raised on the thyriod med.//but we keep a close eye on things like that i have a monthly blood test on thyriod to monitor any movment.so i should be on meds //,as it is a med you take that effects your mental illness.but how come all you babblers in other countries dont have all these test first before your treated for mental probs.///the thyriod is the first one in england, you dont want to be on a shed load of meds for depression, if its caused by thyriod stibility
Posted by mystified on February 12, 2010, at 5:58:34
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » mystified, posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 0:27:57
> Do you post on meds? Curious? Or read?
Why does that matter?
> Many seem to like the inclusion of all types of meds as so many used off approved useage for other conditions they were approved originally for which are not psych conditions.Really? Many?
> The posters will I feel have their feelings and say. Then Dr Bob will ultimately decide whether more posters is best or less. PhillipaIt's not about more or less posters, it's about where posts belong.
I'm outta this, phillipa. I've said all I can say. Run the place as you wish.
Posted by Phillipa on February 12, 2010, at 10:45:49
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 12, 2010, at 4:40:42
Manic you are so correct in my opinion. You know I never knew the thyroid was involved in mental illness til reviewing my patients charts in the hospital when working and saw that so many had thyroid disease. And now I feel dumb as simple searches say that thyroid causes depression or other psych problems. Love Phillipa
Posted by Willful on February 12, 2010, at 18:00:49
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds? » Phillipa, posted by mystified on February 12, 2010, at 5:58:34
I-- and I think a lot of people-- come to Psychobabble to learn more about psych meds, present and future.
I find posts about other ailments disturbing and unnecessary. If I wanted to read about lots of diseases I would go to medical discussion forum, not a psychiatric meds discussion forum.
It not only adds unnecessary anxiety to reading the meds board (as I'm often coming up against posts on illnesses that I don't particularly want to think about), but disrupts the flow of posts and creates diversions and controversy.
If the babble meds board is going to address all sorts of illnesses, then I won't to there, but at least I'll know what to expect if I do.
I feel as if an implicit promise is being broken when I go to a board that's about a certain subject and keep coming across posts on other distressing issues.
Willful
Posted by mystified on February 12, 2010, at 18:03:15
In reply to In favor of non-psych health on health board, posted by Willful on February 12, 2010, at 18:00:49
> I feel as if an implicit promise is being broken when I go to a board that's about a certain subject and keep coming across posts on other distressing issues.
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> WillfulHere, here !!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 12, 2010, at 19:48:15
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by manic666 on February 11, 2010, at 4:43:51
> philippa you should have a google forum . you carnt just bang any old google crap you dont understand on the med forum just to fill space.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that this community helps you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Dinah, thanks for trying to help this time.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 2 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual) = 3
block length = 2.88 rounded = 3 weeks
Posted by hyperfocus on February 15, 2010, at 15:44:13
In reply to Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by mystified on February 9, 2010, at 13:10:44
Well I'm looking at the board now and the vast majority of posts are about psych meds. That's how it's always been AFAIK. Topics like thyroid, Lymes, mercury amalgams, antibiotics, etc are there because there are extremely important links between these things and mental illness now entering the mainstream scientific thinking. I really don't see any off-topic posts here. I've never really seen anybody using Meds as a journal. Sometimes people might post updates on how they're doing and how they feel on the meds or how they're doing in life generally, or how to manage insomnia and pain and other SEs using OTC drugs, or how a drug helps their fibromyalgia etc. but that seems to me to be an integral part of a forum dedicated to psych meds.
I know the board said it's about Psych meds but you can't discuss psych meds without discussing other stuff too. The links between MI and conditions like Lymes and autoimmune and mineral deficiencies are right on the cutting edge of scientific investigations. I'm wandering around in the wilderness searching for a cure to this terrible disease and I'm so grateful people take their time to post about these theories.
When I was in a lot of pain I posted to meds because I just wanted to reach out for help to as many people as possible. I've seen others do the same. These meds impact our day-to-day living very significantly so it's no surprise that other issues can spill over to the meds board. But compared to the vast majority of posts this seems too insignificant to warrant attention.
> as they apply as a treatment of Mental Health diseases? Psych medications? Anybody?
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> Can more redirects happen to make that board clearer in purpose and focus? To include using health, alternative, social, psych etc forums when the PRIMARY topics are: Personal Blogs, Thyroid Disease, Lymes Disease, Heavy Metal Concerns, CFIDS, Bone Diseases, General Health links, Vaccines, Substance Abuse, Family Relations and whatever the catchall topics found to be on meds forum that aren't about PSYCH meds?
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> If not, get rid of the other boards and have one big generalized.
Posted by janejane on February 16, 2010, at 9:52:25
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by hyperfocus on February 15, 2010, at 15:44:13
An example of how most people don't bother to look at boards other than meds is demonstrated by inanimate peanut's threads about addiction. She posted pretty much the same thing in social as well as in meds. The post in social got no replies, and the one in meds got a bunch. People just don't go to those other boards much, which is why some of us post in meds even if the topic isn't strictly med-related (which is often hard to delineate, as I've mentioned before). Given that social probably has the most traffic next to meds makes the point even stronger. People are interested in these other topics, just don't realize that they are being brought up on another board.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
In reply to Re: Can Psychobabble Meds be ABOUT Psych Meds?, posted by janejane on February 16, 2010, at 9:52:25
> People are interested in these other topics, just don't realize that they are being brought up on another board.
They could check other boards, but you can also mention on one other board that a related topic was brought up there. Including a link might help them find it.
Choose one other board, don't post to multiple other boards. And choose either a related board or Social.
Would that be a reasonable compromise?
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2010, at 12:18:54
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
I feel it would possibly work if when the thread is re directed the link still sends notifications to the posters on the original thread as for many years threads die when redirected. I know this is a bit off topic as you did say pick a board. Just thought I'd add this. Phillipa
Posted by janejane on February 17, 2010, at 12:47:17
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards, posted by Dr. Bob on February 17, 2010, at 10:25:41
> > People are interested in these other topics, just don't realize that they are being brought up on another board.
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> They could check other boards, but you can also mention on one other board that a related topic was brought up there. Including a link might help them find it.
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> Choose one other board, don't post to multiple other boards. And choose either a related board or Social.
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> Would that be a reasonable compromise?
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> BobI think that what happened in this case is that Peanut posted to the social board and got no response so she later posted to the med board and got lots. I can't blame her for doing that, especially since I think what she wrote about could be med-related, though she didn't frame it that way. The problem is that most babblers just don't bother to look at other boards so if she just posted to social, it would never have taken off.
What I think you're suggesting is that she should have started a new thread in meds with a link to the one in social. Is that right? That seems sort of redundant to me. It would amount to almost the same thing as double-posting, and probably bother the people who don't like non-med stuff on the main board.
P.S. to Peanut: sorry to use your threads as examples, but I thought it was a good way to show the difference between traffic on the different boards.
Posted by Willful on February 17, 2010, at 14:16:42
In reply to Re: topics brought up on other boards » Dr. Bob, posted by janejane on February 17, 2010, at 12:47:17
There are very few double posts, from what I've noticed. Maybe I've missed them, because I mostly check three or four boards and don't read others where I'm not particularly involved in the topics.
But that's why I'm an advocate of separate boards and posting relevant topics on the relevant board. I really do come here to participate in certain types of discussions, and not others.
If a topic has a direct connection to psych meds, and is about a physical problem, then I have no issue with its being posted on the meds board. But when it doesn't as with quite a few recent posts, I do actually see it as a hindrance to discussion, and also at times a disturbing interference in my desire not to be involved in certain topics. One reason I don't go to the grief board is that I find it too upsetting. I find other types of discussions disturbing, too and try to avoid them.
On the other hand, I am very interested in psych meds, and would like to participate, either as lurker or poster on that board. So when I see certain topics that I'd rather avoid, and that have nothing to do with psych meds, it seems unhelpful.
I accept that there may be topics related to psych meds that I find upsetting-- but that's a price I feel I've agreed to pay to participate.
If Bob wanted to keep all topics, like grief and alternative meds, etc, on one board, I wouldn't find this a place I would visit very often. But that isn't the case here.
I just believe that we should all respect and act according to the posting set=up and rules.
Willful
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