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Posted by Larry Hoover on May 24, 2006, at 6:16:45
In reply to I really really wish that trigger flags...., posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 21:57:05
> ....were a reality. Sometimes I just feel so disabled.
>
> LarJust for clarity's sake, I'd like to explain that those two concepts are related by this: I still find significant numbers of posts with trigger content that do not have a trigger warning.
I was having a great day yesterday, until....well, until I read one. Getting clobbered just isn't very much fun. I know it's me, but owning that is burdensome.
Lar
Posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Hi All,
Many sensitive people come to Psycho-Babble for support.
Let's help keep Babble a safe place for everybody.
Please post below if you support the idea of adding a little flag next to posts that contain content that sensitive viewers might consider upsetting.
The current system of having to write in "trigger" is not sufficient. Sometimes we forget to write it. Sometimes we don't want to lose 7 characters of space in our posting subject line. Newer members might not know how to use this option, or even what 'trigger' means.
There have been several good suggestions on how to implement this flag. The following petition is in support of the flag, not in support of a particular way to implement it (if you have ideas though, this might be a good place to express them)
Thank you in advance,
-llrrrpp
Posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:25:11
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by 10derHeart on June 4, 2006, at 16:37:34
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 16:56:05
In reply to Sure (nm) » llrrrpp, posted by 10derHeart on June 4, 2006, at 16:37:34
Posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 17:02:44
In reply to s'okay by me (nm), posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 16:56:05
Posted by sleepygirl on June 4, 2006, at 17:17:18
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by Tamar on June 4, 2006, at 17:20:06
In reply to sure (nm), posted by sleepygirl on June 4, 2006, at 17:17:18
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 4, 2006, at 17:55:50
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by Emme on June 4, 2006, at 19:51:32
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 4, 2006, at 21:25:56
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
I'm sorry, I'm not feeling well enough right now to lay out my idea again. But I do support a system of trigger flags.
MidnightBlue
Posted by Deneb on June 4, 2006, at 22:54:43
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by muffled on June 4, 2006, at 23:12:50
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by agent858 on June 4, 2006, at 23:15:20
In reply to yes (nm), posted by muffled on June 4, 2006, at 23:12:50
yeah sounds like it would mean a lot to a fair few babblers out there
might clutter the boards a little...
and make newbie posts less conspicuous...but they could be fairly subtle
?
i think people really want this...
ps...
i think certain people have been remarkably patient re the self esteem board too ya know.
remarkably...
more patient than me...
Posted by ClearSkies on June 5, 2006, at 8:02:46
In reply to Re: yes, posted by agent858 on June 4, 2006, at 23:15:20
> ps...
>
> i think certain people have been remarkably patient re the self esteem board too ya know.
>
> remarkably...
>
> more patient than me...Not really patient, maybe completely fed up and feeling forgotten. But not patient. Seething in loathsome silence.
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2006, at 8:30:51
In reply to Re: Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by MidnightBlue on June 4, 2006, at 21:25:56
> I'm sorry, I'm not feeling well enough right now to lay out my idea again. But I do support a system of trigger flags.
>
> MidnightBlueI understand that feeling very well. Take care of you. There are others to carry the load.
I'm seeing something at Babble that I never saw before. I don't think my idea of mandatory trigger flagging is needed. You see, I was stuck in the same distorted world of blocking, as was everyone else. That blocking world. It had to fit in with the other rules, so it had to be stuck to blocks somehow.
But, like I just said, I see something different here, now.
All Bob needs to do is to enable a function that allows:
1. any person to flag their own post
2. others to flag posts that got overlookedThe 2nd one could work either of two ways. A deputy could go and add a missing flag. Or, if a threshold number of people click on some notification button of some sort, a flag could be added to the post.
At the bottom of every message could be a question, with radio buttons, defaulted to no. Do you think this post should have been flagged as a triggering post? Yes No
With enough yeses, the flag would appear automatically.
I think Babblers can manage this without any need for administrative sanction, except in the most extraordinary circumstances. And we do not need to define those extraordinary circumstances, because being extraordinary, that part would be obvious.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on June 5, 2006, at 11:57:50
In reply to Re: yes, posted by agent858 on June 4, 2006, at 23:15:20
Posted by curtm on June 5, 2006, at 12:01:13
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
IRL anything can be a trigger. Maybe clarify.
Posted by B2chica on June 5, 2006, at 13:28:44
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by corafree on June 6, 2006, at 14:15:47
In reply to Implementation of trigger flags » MidnightBlue, posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2006, at 8:30:51
Yes, but ...
My problem (or maybe my salvation) was/is knowing 'what particular language' I used that was 'your trigger'. In that/this confused world, all the dynamics seem to run together. So, I am 'still' asking myself ... 'which word' or 'which sentence' was it that was the trigger.
And, how could have I said it hypothetically?
If I posted again and failed to flag, but then a flag appeared, I might wonder WHY.
Isn't it just as important for the person posting to understand the depth of a trigger as it is the person reading?
In all these years, no one has ever reacted to my situation as you did. I wish they had; but it didn't happen.
I have begun to realize, now, thanks to your reaction, that I've been through quite a lot, and for some reason hadn't/haven't allowed myself to see that before now.
So tell me ... what do you think it was that hurt me the most (Oh .. I'm sorry.) because it all runs together here in my mind and it would be so helpful if someone else could help me to see it.
love,cf
p.s. I've learned more here than from my therapist.
Posted by gardenergirl on June 6, 2006, at 16:00:08
In reply to Re: Implementation of trigger flags » Larry Hoover, posted by corafree on June 6, 2006, at 14:15:47
I think (and I can't speak for Larry) that it was that you posted an account or description of an actual event. Or even if someone posted an account or description of a hypothetical event...it's the description that can be triggering.
This is in contrast to talking about the concept in general. When talking about the concept, I think it might be easier for some, myself included, to avoid forming specific images or imagining it happening. Whereas if someone describes what happened, giving enough detail that a person can imagine this event and/or form visual images of it, it can be more upsetting.
I guess an analogy might be this: I can talk about the concept of violence in general. But if I see a movie with a violent scene, or read something describing an act of violence, I start to get images of violence in my head or right in front of me (as in a movie or video) that I find upsetting.
So I'm not sure that it's any one part of your post, any specific word, etc. I think it's more that it's an account of an event that can be upsetting.
And I think we're all still learning about what can trigger folks. And what triggers varies. If one or more folks find something triggering, it's not because the person who posted the material did anything bad. It's not their fault someone is triggered. However, it can help for those who are triggered by a certain thing to have a warning in advance before reading a post.
So what I would ask, and what I think Larry is asking, is that whenever possible, if posters can flag their posts (or someone else flag a post after the fact) that might be triggering, that would be helpful.
I agree it's not always easy to know what might be triggering. But I do think that any graphic or detailed account of upsetting things such as violence, suicide, self-harm, abuse, etc. might be more likely to trigger someone, and thus, might be a good rule of thumb for now.
Sorry to ramble so much. And this represents my response and thoughts about the issue. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong about whether they do or do not flag posts.
I'm sorry it's been upsetting.
gg
Posted by Gabbi~G on June 6, 2006, at 18:30:43
In reply to Re: Implementation of trigger flags » corafree, posted by gardenergirl on June 6, 2006, at 16:00:08
ah..
I get it now. I didn't find Corafree's post graphic, but perhaps some things I'm a little numb too.
What you said helped clarify this for me a great deal.
The idea of most trigger warnings offended me at first. I felt like it was almost shaming (not the intention I know, but my own association)
"Please don't talk about that it just upsets everyone"
But you mentioning the description of an event as trigger rather than simply "I was in an abusive relationship" makes it far more understandable to me. I was under the impression that even a specific alluding to a triggering subject would require a warning.
So YES
Thanks to GG
Posted by Kath on June 6, 2006, at 20:45:33
Lar mentioned a place to vote on having a box in the post-writing area where you can 'click' to indicate TRIGGER.
I want to vote but can't find where???
Thanks
Kath
Posted by curtm on June 6, 2006, at 21:02:40
In reply to Re: Implementation of trigger flags » Larry Hoover, posted by corafree on June 6, 2006, at 14:15:47
But should we not put ourselves in situations where we face our foes? I am not apathetic, I am naive. Cannot the exposure help someone work with those feelings that are triggered? Do we take agressive action to conquer our inhibitions or hide away forever?
I just don't understand the trigger hype. I know that around every corner could be a trigger and I go forth with the knowledge of that.
Posted by Dinah on June 6, 2006, at 21:32:37
In reply to How/where do I vote about trigger box choice...., posted by Kath on June 6, 2006, at 20:45:33
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