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Posted by Jakeman on May 15, 2006, at 19:49:51
In reply to Re: trigger words, posted by Dr. Bob on May 15, 2006, at 7:57:00
I think we are getting way too caught up in trying to catch people who are saying the wrong thing. People have a choice about coming to this board. Let people be. It's not the end of the world if someone says Bush is evil. Yes, personal insults should be moderated, but within reason.
warm regards, Jake
Posted by 10derHeart on May 16, 2006, at 10:37:47
In reply to Re: trigger words » Dr. Bob, posted by Jakeman on May 15, 2006, at 19:49:51
Hi jake,
I think maybe you're misunderstanding the topic of this thread. Did you read back through it? It's not about posting anything that's inherently *wrong,* or about insults, etc., but about triggering posts for people with various sensitivities, e.g., csa, S/I (either meaning) and more. These posters are concerned with their past experiences of unwittingly stumbling on upsetting language and descriptions in posts on *any* board which trigger a PTSD episode or similar very unpleasnt reaction. The discussion is kind of a brainstorming to come up with a way to prevent that, or at least reduce the likelihood as much as humanly possible, while at the same time educating those who genuinely have no idea something they've written about could trigger others.
I may not have explained that well, but hope it helps. Warm regards to you, too - I've always liked your sign-off ;-) - 10der
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 16, 2006, at 10:56:30
In reply to Re: trigger words » Jakeman, posted by 10derHeart on May 16, 2006, at 10:37:47
> I may not have explained that well, but hope it helps. Warm regards to you, too - I've always liked your sign-off ;-) - 10der
I think you did a great job explaining it.
I was reading the other day that 4% of the population has active PTSD at any point in time. That's one person in 25. I suspect the rate is higher, at Babble.
Lar
Posted by Jakeman on May 16, 2006, at 19:18:23
In reply to Re: trigger words » Jakeman, posted by 10derHeart on May 16, 2006, at 10:37:47
Hi 10der,
Thanks for your explanation. Apparently there is a need among some in this community to have trigger alerts. If that is the consensus then so be it.
warm regards, Jake
> Hi jake,
>
> I think maybe you're misunderstanding the topic of this thread. Did you read back through it? It's not about posting anything that's inherently *wrong,* or about insults, etc., but about triggering posts for people with various sensitivities, e.g., csa, S/I (either meaning) and more. These posters are concerned with their past experiences of unwittingly stumbling on upsetting language and descriptions in posts on *any* board which trigger a PTSD episode or similar very unpleasnt reaction. The discussion is kind of a brainstorming to come up with a way to prevent that, or at least reduce the likelihood as much as humanly possible, while at the same time educating those who genuinely have no idea something they've written about could trigger others.
>
> I may not have explained that well, but hope it helps. Warm regards to you, too - I've always liked your sign-off ;-) - 10der
>
>
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 21:57:05
In reply to what does 'trigger' mean, posted by asmita on March 1, 2006, at 6:33:59
....were a reality. Sometimes I just feel so disabled.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 24, 2006, at 6:16:45
In reply to I really really wish that trigger flags...., posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 21:57:05
> ....were a reality. Sometimes I just feel so disabled.
>
> LarJust for clarity's sake, I'd like to explain that those two concepts are related by this: I still find significant numbers of posts with trigger content that do not have a trigger warning.
I was having a great day yesterday, until....well, until I read one. Getting clobbered just isn't very much fun. I know it's me, but owning that is burdensome.
Lar
Posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Hi All,
Many sensitive people come to Psycho-Babble for support.
Let's help keep Babble a safe place for everybody.
Please post below if you support the idea of adding a little flag next to posts that contain content that sensitive viewers might consider upsetting.
The current system of having to write in "trigger" is not sufficient. Sometimes we forget to write it. Sometimes we don't want to lose 7 characters of space in our posting subject line. Newer members might not know how to use this option, or even what 'trigger' means.
There have been several good suggestions on how to implement this flag. The following petition is in support of the flag, not in support of a particular way to implement it (if you have ideas though, this might be a good place to express them)
Thank you in advance,
-llrrrpp
Posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:25:11
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by 10derHeart on June 4, 2006, at 16:37:34
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 16:56:05
In reply to Sure (nm) » llrrrpp, posted by 10derHeart on June 4, 2006, at 16:37:34
Posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 17:02:44
In reply to s'okay by me (nm), posted by Dinah on June 4, 2006, at 16:56:05
Posted by sleepygirl on June 4, 2006, at 17:17:18
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by Tamar on June 4, 2006, at 17:20:06
In reply to sure (nm), posted by sleepygirl on June 4, 2006, at 17:17:18
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 4, 2006, at 17:55:50
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by Emme on June 4, 2006, at 19:51:32
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 4, 2006, at 21:25:56
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
I'm sorry, I'm not feeling well enough right now to lay out my idea again. But I do support a system of trigger flags.
MidnightBlue
Posted by Deneb on June 4, 2006, at 22:54:43
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by muffled on June 4, 2006, at 23:12:50
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by agent858 on June 4, 2006, at 23:15:20
In reply to yes (nm), posted by muffled on June 4, 2006, at 23:12:50
yeah sounds like it would mean a lot to a fair few babblers out there
might clutter the boards a little...
and make newbie posts less conspicuous...but they could be fairly subtle
?
i think people really want this...
ps...
i think certain people have been remarkably patient re the self esteem board too ya know.
remarkably...
more patient than me...
Posted by ClearSkies on June 5, 2006, at 8:02:46
In reply to Re: yes, posted by agent858 on June 4, 2006, at 23:15:20
> ps...
>
> i think certain people have been remarkably patient re the self esteem board too ya know.
>
> remarkably...
>
> more patient than me...Not really patient, maybe completely fed up and feeling forgotten. But not patient. Seething in loathsome silence.
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2006, at 8:30:51
In reply to Re: Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by MidnightBlue on June 4, 2006, at 21:25:56
> I'm sorry, I'm not feeling well enough right now to lay out my idea again. But I do support a system of trigger flags.
>
> MidnightBlueI understand that feeling very well. Take care of you. There are others to carry the load.
I'm seeing something at Babble that I never saw before. I don't think my idea of mandatory trigger flagging is needed. You see, I was stuck in the same distorted world of blocking, as was everyone else. That blocking world. It had to fit in with the other rules, so it had to be stuck to blocks somehow.
But, like I just said, I see something different here, now.
All Bob needs to do is to enable a function that allows:
1. any person to flag their own post
2. others to flag posts that got overlookedThe 2nd one could work either of two ways. A deputy could go and add a missing flag. Or, if a threshold number of people click on some notification button of some sort, a flag could be added to the post.
At the bottom of every message could be a question, with radio buttons, defaulted to no. Do you think this post should have been flagged as a triggering post? Yes No
With enough yeses, the flag would appear automatically.
I think Babblers can manage this without any need for administrative sanction, except in the most extraordinary circumstances. And we do not need to define those extraordinary circumstances, because being extraordinary, that part would be obvious.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on June 5, 2006, at 11:57:50
In reply to Re: yes, posted by agent858 on June 4, 2006, at 23:15:20
Posted by curtm on June 5, 2006, at 12:01:13
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
IRL anything can be a trigger. Maybe clarify.
Posted by B2chica on June 5, 2006, at 13:28:44
In reply to Petition to add trigger flag. please sign below, posted by llrrrpp on June 4, 2006, at 15:24:34
Posted by corafree on June 6, 2006, at 14:15:47
In reply to Implementation of trigger flags » MidnightBlue, posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2006, at 8:30:51
Yes, but ...
My problem (or maybe my salvation) was/is knowing 'what particular language' I used that was 'your trigger'. In that/this confused world, all the dynamics seem to run together. So, I am 'still' asking myself ... 'which word' or 'which sentence' was it that was the trigger.
And, how could have I said it hypothetically?
If I posted again and failed to flag, but then a flag appeared, I might wonder WHY.
Isn't it just as important for the person posting to understand the depth of a trigger as it is the person reading?
In all these years, no one has ever reacted to my situation as you did. I wish they had; but it didn't happen.
I have begun to realize, now, thanks to your reaction, that I've been through quite a lot, and for some reason hadn't/haven't allowed myself to see that before now.
So tell me ... what do you think it was that hurt me the most (Oh .. I'm sorry.) because it all runs together here in my mind and it would be so helpful if someone else could help me to see it.
love,cf
p.s. I've learned more here than from my therapist.
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