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Posted by All Done on May 6, 2005, at 1:53:36
In reply to Re: please be civil » Shy_Girl » gardenergirl, posted by Dr. Bob on May 6, 2005, at 1:44:41
> Sorry to be a party, um, pooper, but I'm afraid I also need to ask you please not to bypass automatic asterisking to use language that could offend others.
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> Thanks,
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> BobOh my, gg...you couldn't have lost your virginity on a better post! ;)
And very cute, Dr. Bob :).
Posted by Dinah on May 6, 2005, at 2:51:44
In reply to Re: please be civil » Shy_Girl » gardenergirl, posted by Dr. Bob on May 6, 2005, at 1:44:41
My son and his friends use it all the time. Invariably causing a mass collapse into giggles.
I guess he didn't like my euphemism for it. That one makes my husband collapse in giggles.
I agree with All Done, with the added suggestion that someone probably isn't trying to get around the asterisking if they have no idea the word they are spelling needs to be asterisked.
Posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 7:56:58
In reply to Good heavens! Is that obscene? » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 6, 2005, at 2:51:44
You are quite right. I had no idea it was a no-no. Shoot, if I had been trying to bypass the asterisk system to get in a vulgar word, I'd have picked a doozy.
I'm laughing so hard my stomach hurts. Certainly not the reaction I expected for my losing my PBC virginity.
Good lord, what if I had laughed like that when I lost that other virginity? Poor fellow.
gg, who really needs to wipe her eyes. Better check my pants, too. ;)
Posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 8:00:42
In reply to Re: Good heavens! Is that obscene? » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 7:56:58
f*rt Well what do you know? Yet another vulgar word I use all the time. I must be a potty mouth. :)
Because you know, I still don't get the p*m p*ms thing. There's really no way to predict this stuff.
gg
Posted by nikkit2 on May 6, 2005, at 10:17:03
In reply to And I just have to check, posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 8:00:42
I can't even work out what letter is missing in the p*ms one *L*
And I use w*nch all the time.. normally directed toward my husband in an "oi, bar w*nch, get me a drink" kind of way!!!
Nikki xx
Posted by Mark H. on May 6, 2005, at 10:52:02
In reply to Good heavens! Is that obscene? » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 6, 2005, at 2:51:44
Posted by alexandra_k on May 6, 2005, at 12:01:51
In reply to Re: please be civil » Shy_Girl » gardenergirl, posted by Dr. Bob on May 6, 2005, at 1:44:41
Heh heh. You guys are too smart for me. You wouldn't believe how long that took me to work out.
'P*ms' is Australian / NZ slang for 'prisoners of her majesties service' (convicts exiled to Australia) - at least thats one theory on the derivation. It apparantly is offensive. Perhaps it was to start with but now I think it is used more fondly to refer to British peoples - and not just the (allegedly convicted) British immigrants... But anyways, thats whats up with that.
OMG. gg got a PBC. I'm staggered.
But don't worry gg
You are still my PBC hero
And still one of my civility buddies
(Though I tend to post before I think to send ya stuff)...
Posted by Racer on May 6, 2005, at 13:02:38
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by alexandra_k on May 6, 2005, at 12:01:51
Because the convicts had to eat pomegranates on the boats to prevent scurvy? That did sound a bit suspect to me, since I don't think of pommys as being all that common a fruit in the UK, especially as to be sent with a boatload of convicts?
Hm... I wonder if it's similar to that very much forbidden word for -- can't even think of a euphemism right now, but it's four letters long and starts with an F. There are all sorts of stories about it being based on an acronym, but it's not: it's based on an Anglo-Saxon verb that is related to the German "Ficken" and apparently meant "to plow"
See, I knew that linguistics class would be valuable one day :-D
Posted by NikkiT2 on May 6, 2005, at 13:28:51
In reply to My husband always says that it's... » alexandra_k, posted by Racer on May 6, 2005, at 13:02:38
I though it was with the O in it.. but couldn't, for the life of me, work out why that would be vulgur! And I'm a pomegranate myself (as it were *L*)
And Racer - alexandra's answer is correct..
Now, we're known as Limeys in North America because of the limes they ate to prevent scurvy.. so that is probably where he got confused!
Nikki x
Posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 13:41:44
In reply to PBC ^^Shakespeare ^^Chaucer :-) (nm), posted by Mark H. on May 6, 2005, at 10:52:02
Heck yeah!
Falstaff would not last long here.
gg
Posted by Dinah on May 6, 2005, at 13:55:27
In reply to Re: PBC ^^Shakespeare ^^Chaucer :-), posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 13:41:44
An exhibit of his books was right in the front window of Barnes and Noble!!!
Posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 15:38:28
In reply to Not to mention poor Walter the Dog, posted by Dinah on May 6, 2005, at 13:55:27
I did realize it was juvenile to post what I did. I just never even considered vulgar.
gg
Posted by AuntieMel on May 6, 2005, at 15:51:05
In reply to By the way, posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 15:38:28
Posted by Racer on May 6, 2005, at 16:59:11
In reply to You know..., posted by NikkiT2 on May 6, 2005, at 13:28:51
> And Racer - alexandra's answer is correct..
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> Now, we're known as Limeys in North America because of the limes they ate to prevent scurvy.. so that is probably where he got confused!
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> Nikki x{in a very small voice} uh, Nikki? My husband is from out of town... He's from Oz, and calls you guys what we're talking about... I thought he would know...
YOU'VE DESTROYED MY ILLUSIONS! WAAAHHHHH!!!!
{very large very evil grin}
I guess I'll keep this knowledge in reserve, for when it will do me some good... {another very big evil grin}
Now, is that really why the word is filtered?
Posted by JenStar on May 6, 2005, at 18:10:31
In reply to And I just have to check, posted by gardenergirl on May 6, 2005, at 8:00:42
f**t is surprisingly "vulgar" to more than the rules here! I sent an email to a friend at work and used the word f**t in it, jokingly, in some fashion. To my utter surprise, the email bounced back to immediately with a message from her office's web server saying it had beeen blocked by a profanity filter.
My friend got very curious - she didn't get the message but she got a separate msg from her server telling her that a "profane" message from me had been blocked. When I wrote back & told her what word I'd used, she and all her curious co-workers got a good laugh out of it.
So then, of course, I had to send her several "test" messages to see which other words might get blocked.
It was kind of funny.
Anyway, don't fret about your message. Everyone is allowed to be silly once in a while...JenStar
Posted by alexandra_k on May 6, 2005, at 20:47:22
In reply to Re: You know... » NikkiT2, posted by Racer on May 6, 2005, at 16:59:11
I think there are a couple of theories of the origin of 'p*ms'.
The pomegranate theory is another.
Apparantly they looked a bit like pomegranate's with their newly acquired sunburn - so that theory may be true.But I think most people accept the prisoners one.
Posted by alexandra_k on May 15, 2005, at 6:26:17
In reply to Re: You know... » Racer, posted by alexandra_k on May 6, 2005, at 20:47:22
And then there is
'immigrant'
'jimmy grant' (rhyming slang)
Which apparantly was pronounced to rhyme with
'pomegranete' (or however ya spell that)
and so thats another theory..
Posted by NikkiT2 on May 15, 2005, at 7:07:42
In reply to Re: You know..., posted by alexandra_k on May 15, 2005, at 6:26:17
All of te above *lol*
"The term P*mmy for a British person is commonly used in Australian English and New Zealand English, and is often shortened to P*m. The origin of this term is uncertain. A number of fake etymologies have sprung up, mostly along the lines that P*M is an acronym for "Prisoner of Mother England" or somesuch, referring to the fact that the earliest Australian settlers were convicts, sentenced to transportation. None of these explanations bears up under scrutiny, and the use of acronyms is largely a late twentieth century phenomenon. A more likely etymology is that it is a contraction of "pomegranates", a former rhyming slang term for immigrants ("immigranate"). The use of the word 'P*m' may be considered mildly derogatory - some may use it to cause offence, but it is also used in other situations as a friendly derogatory term among people who know each other well, if one of them is English and the other Australian."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British
I know I do object to the phrases "bl**dy p*m", or the common "bas***d p*m".. Mainly because the people they're most likely used by are the millions of aussies that live in my area, that constantly moan about how awful London is, how horrible it is, how awful our laws are etc etc, yet come and live over here for 2 years or more, use our free health service, take all the bar / waitressing jobs (normally cash in hand so paying no tax or anything) yet still spend half their time slagging the country off.. THAT gets on my wick!!
Nikki
Posted by alexandra_k on May 15, 2005, at 14:37:23
In reply to wikipedia says..., posted by NikkiT2 on May 15, 2005, at 7:07:42
> I know I do object to the phrases "bl**dy p*m", or the common "bas***d p*m"..
Fair enough.
>Mainly because the people they're most likely used by are the millions of aussies that live in my area, that constantly moan about how awful London is, how horrible it is, how awful our laws are etc etc, yet come and live over here for 2 years or more, use our free health service, take all the bar / waitressing jobs (normally cash in hand so paying no tax or anything) yet still spend half their time slagging the country off.. THAT gets on my wick!!
Fair enough!
You know, apparantly the most common is / was 'whinging p*m'. Apparantly the immigrants or pomegranates or whatever used to whine a lot...So that is really funny that people whine about the whinging p*ms!!!!!
I have never heard the expression used in a derogatory manner. More like 'who are we playing in the Rugby this weekend?' - 'The p*ms'. Just used to refer to British peoples the way 'kiwi' and 'aussie' refer to NZers and Australians respectively.
I was quite suprised to find out it had derogatory undertones...
Posted by so on May 18, 2005, at 13:25:48
In reply to wikipedia says..., posted by NikkiT2 on May 15, 2005, at 7:07:42
Is this supportive? Is it accurate? Would Australian-Brits living in London tend to feel put-down by these presumptions?
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> ... the millions of aussies that live in my area, that constantly moan about how awful London is, how horrible it is, how awful our laws are etc etc, yet come and live over here for 2 years or more, use our free health service, take all the bar / waitressing jobs (normally cash in hand so paying no tax or anything) yet still spend half their time slagging the country off.. THAT gets on my wick!!
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>Literature about in-group/out-group communicaiton suggests similar presumptions are held by in-group members about expatriate communities living in several cities around the world. But the presumptions -- that they complain without cause, that they take jobs from natives, that they disproportioinately exploit social welfare systems -- often have no more basis in fact than the "fake entymologies" volunteer authors of a British free encyclopedia cite as false definitions for the term in question.
Posted by NikkiT2 on May 18, 2005, at 13:31:47
In reply to millions of Australians in your area do what? » NikkiT2, posted by so on May 18, 2005, at 13:25:48
What?
Do you live in West London?
No, so you DO NOT know.
I know for a fact they take jobs as I tried to get a bar / waitressing job in my area and its impossible, as I would have to pay tax, and they wanted someone who wanted to be paid cash in hand no questions asked.
*I* listen to them, *I* live here.
You cannot tell me I am not hearing what I am hearing.
Nikki
Posted by AuntieMel on May 18, 2005, at 13:49:01
In reply to millions of Australians in your area do what? » NikkiT2, posted by so on May 18, 2005, at 13:25:48
The phraseology in your post is familiar.
Posted by so on May 18, 2005, at 16:12:30
In reply to Re: millions of Australians in your area do what? » so, posted by NikkiT2 on May 18, 2005, at 13:31:47
> What?
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> Do you live in West London?
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> No, so you DO NOT know.
The academic literature I've read about native perceptions of immigrant populations included studies conducted in London. The literature supports my own perceptions based on residing in several communities of mixed-ethnicity.I have difficulty conceptualizing a basis on which you could construct representations about the behavior of "millions" of Australian residing in London with no evidence beyond your anecdotal experience. If your job-search anecdote is instructive about some circumstances, it still does not answer to what extent Aussies seek jobs on the books, or the extent to which native-born Brits accept jobs off the books. I suspect many of the employers to whom you refer are Brits, so they would seem to be implicated in the tax-evasion scheme you attribute to expatriate Aussies.
Even if you anecdote is typical, it doesn't support knowledge of the extent to which expatriate Aussies complain about Brittian, proportional to British complaints, nor the extent to which Aussies exploit the social welfare system compared to native-born Brits.
Since your assertions about Aussie motivation and behavior are typical of assertions studied in literature about in-group/out-group relations, and since I have identified similar misperceptions as those reported in the literature in several mixed-ethnic communities, I consider it reasonable to question the extent to which your representation of Aussies is based entirely in fact and the extent to which it might be based on your own perceptions.
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> I know for a fact they take jobs as I tried to get a bar / waitressing job in my area and its impossible, as I would have to pay tax, and they wanted someone who wanted to be paid cash in hand no questions asked.
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> *I* listen to them, *I* live here.
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> You cannot tell me I am not hearing what I am hearing.
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> Nikki
Posted by 10derHeart on May 18, 2005, at 22:36:05
In reply to Re: Have you posted here before? » so, posted by AuntieMel on May 18, 2005, at 13:49:01
> The phraseology in your post is familiar.
I agree. It's very familiar.
Posted by Racer on May 26, 2005, at 15:11:16
In reply to millions of Australians in your area do what? » NikkiT2, posted by so on May 18, 2005, at 13:25:48
> Is this supportive? Is it accurate? Would Australian-Brits living in London tend to feel put-down by these presumptions?
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> > ... the millions of aussies that live in my area, that constantly moan about how awful London is, how horrible it is, how awful our laws are etc etc, yet come and live over here for 2 years or more, use our free health service, take all the bar / waitressing jobs (normally cash in hand so paying no tax or anything) yet still spend half their time slagging the country off.. THAT gets on my wick!!
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> Literature about in-group/out-group communicaiton suggests similar presumptions are held by in-group members about expatriate communities living in several cities around the world. But the presumptions -- that they complain without cause, that they take jobs from natives, that they disproportioinately exploit social welfare systems -- often have no more basis in fact than the "fake entymologies" volunteer authors of a British free encyclopedia cite as false definitions for the term in question.
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According to my hubby, in Oz complaining -- or "whinging" -- is considered normal communication and small talk. Gets him in a heap'o'trouble here in "Everything Is Beautiful -- Or Else" America. He'll greet a shopkeeper by complaining about the lack of parking -- then wonder why the response he gets is defensive. "I was just making small talk!"As for P*ms, he does talk about "P*mmy" things, but it's usually in a very joking way -- "Vegemite is wonderful stuff, but Marmite is a terrible P*mmy thing..." You know, joking about two countries divided by a common language sort of thing.
And I am not sure that complaining about folks from Oz is a good thing, but I also find myself saying nasty and quite unsupportive things about drivers on the road around here who maybe are not driving in the same language as I do...
Maybe we all have our little bruised areas in that regard? You and I can continue to play together as long as you're not perfect in *every* way. If you were, that would put too much pressure on me...
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