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Posted by SpringbokAddict on September 20, 2004, at 10:16:37
Hi:
I left school over a decade ago in good academic standing. Technically I am still a student even though I haven't stepped on that dreaded campus for over a decade
I would like to know if anyone else went to the same school, and if counselling and mental illness awaeness has improved. Last time I was there, all I felt was gross misunderstanding and hostility from authority figures. I was obviously severely depressed, but no one ever told me. I am still a mess, but would like a blueprint for getting help in case I want to go back
Posted by alexandra_k on September 21, 2004, at 17:41:07
In reply to Permission to post to student forum, posted by SpringbokAddict on September 20, 2004, at 10:16:37
Hello. I have been thinking a bit about the students forum. I don't see why we have to be a currently enrolled university student to post there for the following reasons:
(1) People may be able to help others by telling them strategies etc that they found helpful in the past when they were studying at university
(2) People may be studying at polytecnics or private training establishments and they may face similar issues / problems and should have a comperable ability to contribute on relevant issues. Maybe some from high school even.
(3) A lot of people view learning / studying as a lifelong process and so it does not all come to a grinding halt when their enrollment expires.
(4) People may be considering returning to study and could usefully post to the students board.I have to say that I am not a huge fan of the 'you have to have a current university email address to post' notion. Firstly it strikes me as, well, elitist I have to say. Secondly because we are identifiable by our university email adresses. Thats first name last name kind of info that the multi-guess quiz says isn't required to post. I appreciate that you are not directly asking for this information, however to require a STUDENT email address provides you with the means to obtain that information. Perhaps I am being paranoid - but I don't like that idea, and for that reason (that I object to our being required to do this) I have chosen not to post to the students board, which I think is a shame.
Yours respectfully,
Posted by gardenergirl on September 21, 2004, at 21:21:32
In reply to Re: student forum - Dr Bob, posted by alexandra_k on September 21, 2004, at 17:41:07
Yep, I enrolled with my yahoo address. I'm just not willing to re-register with my school address, as it names my university and my own name. But I miss out, because school issues are a big part of my life right now. Kind of consuming.
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on September 21, 2004, at 23:08:53
In reply to Re: student forum - Dr Bob, posted by gardenergirl on September 21, 2004, at 21:21:32
Yup, I hear you and that is pretty much my situation also. I misunderstood that we needed to have our school address as our registered email so I sent Dr. Bob an email from my work account with my signature (which includes my full name) telling him my posting name and requesting to be added as I thought that was what we were supposed to do. I had reservations about doing this and I regret having done it in hindsight.
Whats next - letters from our T's to post to psychological-babble, letters from significant others to post to the relationships board???
Posted by alexandra_k on September 21, 2004, at 23:12:17
In reply to Re: student forum » gardenergirl, posted by alexandra_k on September 21, 2004, at 23:08:53
Not that I don't think you have better things to do with your time than try to track down our real identities, of course :-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 27, 2004, at 17:33:24
In reply to Re: student forum - Dr Bob, posted by alexandra_k on September 21, 2004, at 17:41:07
> I don't see why we have to be a currently enrolled university student to post there for the following reasons:
>
> (1) People may be able to help others by telling them strategies etc that they found helpful in the past when they were studying at university
> (2) People may be studying at polytecnics or private training establishments and they may face similar issues / problems and should have a comperable ability to contribute on relevant issues. Maybe some from high school even.
> (3) A lot of people view learning / studying as a lifelong process and so it does not all come to a grinding halt when their enrollment expires.
> (4) People may be considering returning to study and could usefully post to the students board.Those are all good points, but I guess I was thinking they might feel more like it's theirs if it's restricted to them?
> we are identifiable by our university email adresses.
If there's a public directory, yes. So if anyone has serious concerns about me being able to look them up, I agree, it might be better for them not to register with it.
FYI, charging a fee has been discussed, for example:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/369929.html
And that might not be possible anonymously...
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on September 27, 2004, at 22:08:14
In reply to Re: student forum, posted by Dr. Bob on September 27, 2004, at 17:33:24
> Those are all good points, but I guess I was thinking they might feel more like it's theirs if it's restricted to them?
Though this is begging the question that it should be restricted to current university students issues rather than student issues (including past and future students) in general. Even if we grant that it is intended for current university student issues why don't you do a poll by posting a question on the students forum as to whether posters would prefer it to be restricted to current university students or not? (I'd do it myself but have elected not to post there).
> FYI, charging a fee has been discussed, for example:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/369929.html
>
> And that might not be possible anonymously...Sure, and at that point the number of posters may be reduced quite dramatically, not just because of the money but because people value their anonymity. Are you having trouble obtaining research funding to continue with Babble???
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2004, at 2:56:02
In reply to Re: student forum » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on September 27, 2004, at 22:08:14
> why don't you do a poll by posting a question on the students forum as to whether posters would prefer it to be restricted to current university students or not?
Mainly because it wouldn't include potential future posters?
> > FYI, charging a fee has been discussed ... And that might not be possible anonymously...
>
> Sure, and at that point the number of posters may be reduced quite dramatically, not just because of the money but because people value their anonymity.I know, it may.
> Are you having trouble obtaining research funding to continue with Babble???
1. This site is not currently considered research.
2. It's never really had "funding".
3. Obtaining funds wouldn't actually be the main rationale.Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on September 29, 2004, at 23:05:36
In reply to Re: student forum, posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2004, at 2:56:02
> Mainly because it wouldn't include potential future posters?
That is true, but maybe you could consider current posters as fairly representitive? It may be useful to include the students who have chosen not to post there because of concerns about confidentiality also. One could periodically post the question incase people change their mind over time. And all of the above is still begging the question regarding why the students board should be intended only for current university students as opposed to student issues in general.
> 3. Obtaining funds wouldn't actually be the main rationale.
I have gone on a hunt through the archives to try to grasp the situation. I do understand the rationale with respect to multiple email addresses thus multiple posting names thus blocks don't really serve their purpose. Surely there is an alternative rather than credit cards, though, I personally don't have a credit card due to problems with compulsive spending etc and it is probably likely that there are others in the same boat.
I am sorry to go on and on about this. I think I have pinpointed just what is bugging me so much... I shall shut up about this now.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 30, 2004, at 21:13:07
In reply to Re: student forum » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on September 29, 2004, at 23:05:36
That is not to say that I have abandoned my above points...
Or that I have changed my mind with respect to Dr. Bob's question begging style of argumentation...
However, the line between reasonable caution and unreasonable paranoia can be hard for me to grasp at times...
I also understand about having a go at a board where an official type email is required as an alternative to credit card info to stop people posting under multiple names.
Thanks for helping me clear this up (((Dr. Bob)))
And since this is virtual and all x - have a kiss on the cheek as well :-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2004, at 0:13:15
In reply to Re: student forum » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on September 29, 2004, at 23:05:36
> why don't you do a poll by posting a question on the students forum as to whether posters would prefer it to be restricted to current university students or not?
It actually isn't just current students, they're not the only ones with .edu email addresses...
> I personally don't have a credit card due to problems with compulsive spending etc and it is probably likely that there are others in the same boat.
I know, not everyone has a credit card. Or money! That's an issue.
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2004, at 2:30:07
In reply to Re: student forum, posted by Dr. Bob on October 1, 2004, at 0:13:15
I rephrase my question:
> why don't you do a poll by posting a question on the students forum as to whether posters would prefer it to be restricted to those with .edu email (and international varient) email addresses?
That still doesn't answer why you have to have a current uni email address. Becasue of the reasons I made on my first post. I don't think requiring a university email can stop people posting under multiple names as it is easy enough to get multiple email addresses (you have a couple, for example and there are staff, student, and alias accounts).
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2004, at 2:30:44
In reply to Re: student forum » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2004, at 2:30:07
> I rephrase my question:
>
> > why don't you do a poll by posting a question on the students forum as to whether posters would prefer it to be restricted to those with .edu email (and international varient) email addresses?OK, if you want, let's give a poll a try. Would you like to post one? There, it would be limited to posters with .edu addresses. It could also be at PB Open, where it would be more, well, open...
> That still doesn't answer why you have to have a current uni email address.
That goes back to what I said, I think it'll be more theirs if it's more just them...
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2004, at 19:30:57
In reply to Re: student forum, posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2004, at 2:30:44
> OK, if you want, let's give a poll a try. Would you like to post one? There, it would be limited to posters with .edu addresses. It could also be at PB Open, where it would be more, well, open...
Okay, sure.
> > That still doesn't answer why you have to have a current uni email address.> That goes back to what I said, I think it'll be more theirs if it's more just them...
But that still begs the question regarding why the students board should be intended for 'just them' as opposed to student issues in general. That was the point that I was trying to make in my first post: that it may be more appropriate to have the board as a general student issues board (with no posting restrictions other than the intended topics).
Maybe we have been talking past each other a bit regarding that point.
Anyway, I am not so consumed with this issue as I once was... And I have the notion that nobody else particularly cares much anyway (other than gg maybe). I shall do do a poll, though, thanks.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2004, at 21:31:14
In reply to Re: student forum » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2004, at 19:30:57
> that still begs the question regarding why the students board should be intended for 'just them' as opposed to student issues in general.
OK, I see. I don't know, I work with students, so I thought I'd try to do something for them?
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 7, 2004, at 21:06:11
In reply to Re: student forum, posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2004, at 21:31:14
Sure, I understand. I know your intentions are good, but I just thought that maybe there are factors that you hadn't considered.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 7, 2004, at 23:30:50
In reply to Re: student forum » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on October 7, 2004, at 21:06:11
> I know your intentions are good, but I just thought that maybe there are factors that you hadn't considered.
Thanks, let's see what the poll says, and maybe give this some more time, and if it doesn't go anywhere, try something different?
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 1:36:24
In reply to Re: student forum, posted by Dr. Bob on October 7, 2004, at 23:30:50
This is the end of the thread.
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