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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
Dr. Hsiung,
In the opening page of the faith board, you cite Jean Rousseau:
[...Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...True christians are made to be slaves...This short life counts for too little in their eyes...].
Then you write that what Jean Rousseau wrote supports the posting policy here.
You also write that you do what you think will be good for the community as a whole.
Are you saying that your thinking says that [...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...]?
Are you saying then that it will be good for the community as a whole to think of christians in that light?
If you could clarifythis for me, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 22:38:54
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
Dr. Hsiung,
Let us look at the link.
http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.1/bookid.615/sec.51/
At the end, there is the statement,[...but whoever dares to say Outside The Church is no salvation ought to be drivin from the State...].
Are you referring to the Roman Catholic doctrine only here or is the "church" made up of all of christiandom or some other meaning of "church"?
If you could clarify this, I would appreciate it.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 22:47:02
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
Dr. Hsiung,
Th doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus has what Jean Rousseau wrote. But is this what you are referring to in your opening page of the faith board? If you could clarify this, I would appreciate it.
Lou PIlder
http://www.Extra EcclesiamNullaSalusCatholicism.org/pages/outside.htm
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 22:47:32
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
Dr. Hsiung,
Th doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus has what Jean Rousseau wrote. But is this what you are referring to in your opening page of the faith board? If you could clarify this, I would appreciate it.
Lou PIlder
http://www.ExtraEcclesiamNullaSalusCatholicism.org/pages/outside.htm
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 22:54:20
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
Dr. Hsiung,
Below is the corrected link for Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
http://www.catholicism.org/pages/outside.htm
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 21:57:20
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
Dr. Hsiung,
I have asked for clarification of the statements on the faith board reletive to Jean Rousseau.
I am requesting that all of the references to Jean Rousseau on the faith board be removed.
I feel that there is a potential for great misunderstanding concerning Jean Rousseau, for not evryone has a great knowlege of the writings of those from his period of time, including the French Revolution and related issues from 1750 and on. Many may not know what his philosophy entailed.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 10:06:44
In reply to Lou's closing statement concerning this topic » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2004, at 21:57:20
Friends,
For those that are interested in Jean Rousseau and phylosophy, I offer this link for you to read and consider issues involved. I do not endorse , necessarrily, the opinion of the author.
Lou
http://www.dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/barkunin/rousseau.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 10:11:16
In reply to Lou's closing statement concerning this topic 2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 10:06:44
Friends,
This is the correction.
Lou
http://www.dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bakunin/rousseau.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 10:17:30
In reply to correction to link above » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2004, at 10:11:16
Frinds,
The link for some reason will not take my underscore between anarchist and archives. So if you would like to access the link, perhaps your typing the underscore will work.
lou
http://www.dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bakunin/rousseau.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 24, 2004, at 0:41:08
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2004, at 21:45:51
> In the opening page of the faith board, you cite Jean Rousseau:
> [...Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...True christians are made to be slaves...This short life counts for too little in their eyes...]...That's not what I quoted...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 9:29:27
In reply to Re: Lou's request, posted by Dr. Bob on September 24, 2004, at 0:41:08
Dr.Hsiung,
In my request for clarification, I wrote that you cited Jean Rousseau. You responded to me by writing,[...that is not what i quoted...].
I did not use quotation marks. To cite could mean to [...bring forward or call to another's attention...] or it could mean [...to quote by way of example...]
My use of the word cite here was that you are bringing forward or calling to people's attention the writing of Jean Rousseau.
If we have a misunderstanding about this, I am sorry. But misunderstandings can be cleared up .
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith.html
http://m-w.com/cgi-bib/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=cited&x=14&y=14
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 9:33:47
In reply to Lou's response to Dr Hsiung's reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 9:29:27
the corrected link is below. To obtain the definition of "cite" I used the Marrium-Webster search
Loi
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 11:23:19
In reply to Lou's response to Dr Hsiung's reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 9:29:27
Dr. Hsiung,
In clearing up any misunderstanding, let us look at the opening page of the faith board.
You call attention to Jean Rousseau's writing, [...But whoever dares to say: Outside the Church is no salvation, ought to be drivin from the State...]. You also write after that, "Sorry about the tone of the above, but I think it does support the posting policy here..."
There is also a link to a part of Jean Rousseau's writing. In that link, Jean Rousseau writes, [...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...]
You also write that you, [...do what you think will be best for the community as a whole...].
My request for clarification is to know if you are endorsing Jean Rousseau's statement here in his writing that christians are to be looked at in that light; that they preach,[...only sevitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves....this short life counts for little in their lives...] and if you are referring to the Roman Catholic doctrin of [...Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus...]where Jean Rousseau write, [...whoever dare say....no salvation out side of the church...]or if the "church" is something else.
If you could clarify this, I would appreciate it.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith
http://www.catholicism.org/pages/outside.htm
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 13:42:03
In reply to Lou's response to Dr Hsiung's reply to Lou-rs » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 11:23:19
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that the referrence to Jean Rousseau that is on the faith board's opening page be deleted.
I am asking this because to understand all of its import in refference to Rousseau's attitude toward religion could be such a great indevor that few people, IMO, couldundergo such a discussion.
In my study of Jean Jaques Rousseau, I find that it would take me over 100 posts , in my style of writing, to comment on his ideas of religion.
Lou Pilder
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 15:42:58
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-Jean Rousseau » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 13:42:03
Hi Lou.
> In my study of Jean Jaques Rousseau, I find that it would take me over 100 posts , in my style of writing, to comment on his ideas of religion.
Is it your intention to submit a series of 100 posts in an effort to pursuade the moderator to accede to your requests? I hope not. I would personally deem any such effort as a purposeful attempt to disrupt the proceedings of this forum and a threat to my personal interests in how this site functions. That's the way I feel.
One option for you that would be less disruptive to the site is to correspond directly with Dr. Hsiung using the e-mail address he so generously provides at the bottom of the page.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung-Jean Rousseau » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 15:42:58
SLS,
It is not my intention to submit 100 posts . On the contrary, my post wrote that I would like the referrence to Rousseau to be deleted because to discuss Rousseau and all of the implications that could come out of it would be too much posting and that is why I have asked for it to be deleted.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 16:37:31
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B, posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
SLS,
The admin. board is created for participants to discuss this type of matter, yet are you saying that I am to be limited to a spacific amount of time or posts to discuss admin. issues even though the moderator has not responded with a clarification to my request for clarification as of yet?
I do not consider my requests for clarification to be frivolous, for they they are to clear up matters that are important to me.
For instance, in the post that you are referring to, Dr. Hsiung has a link to click on about what Jean Rousseau writes. In that link there are statements that if are endorsed by the forum could cause me to have to leave, for I consider Rousseau's statement that[...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence....true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...]to be a violation of the forum's goals of support and I am asking Dr. Hsiung to clarify if he endorses that statement for the forum and that christians are to be seen in that light because Dr. Hsiung writes after Rousseau's statement about[..whoever dare say...no salvation outside of the church...] that that supports the posting policy hear. I have asked him to delete it because I really do not think that it belongs on a mental health forum particularry when it is put on the forum by the moderator because it could have the potential for others to think that the forum endorses this type of attitude toward christians,
Now I have an interest as you do here, and I am asking DR.Hsiung to clarify this, for if the forum endorses that christians are to be put in that light on this forum, then I feel that they are being defamed and if they are defamed, then I am defamed.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 17:01:29
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B-rs » Lou PIlder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2004, at 16:37:31
SLS,
You wrote,[...an option that is {less disruptive} would be to email with...].
Well, I do want you to know that I have sent emails to Dr. Hsiung and Dinah when she was a moderator deputy.
But this forum is for discussion of these things and I am responding to the invitation to discuss these things. I feel that they belong on this forum as much as any other admin. post because I feel that resolving the clarifications that I have requested to be clarified is more impotant than if it takes a long time to do so.
Lou
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 21:54:45
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B, posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
> It is not my intention to submit 100 posts .
I am greatly relieved. Such behavior could create a very real need to impose quotas on posting. I would be in favor of using the administration board to discuss this need should it present itself. I truly hope that it does not.
> On the contrary, my post wrote that I would like the referrence to Rousseau to be deleted
I understand that this is your request of Dr. Hsiung.
> because to discuss Rousseau and all of the implications that could come out of it would be too much posting
Hmmm. How would you define too much posting?
> and that is why I have asked for it to be deleted.
Because it would be too much posting?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 22:50:07
In reply to Lou's response to SLS--B, posted by Lou PIlder on September 24, 2004, at 15:58:36
Hi Lou.
It might be desirable to give people more time to respond to your requests for clarifications and to interact in general. It would probably enhance discussion and reduce the number of sequential unanswered posts. I believe that this would help maintain the continuity of threads and the readability of the board.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:40:05
In reply to Scott's request to Lou, posted by SLS on September 24, 2004, at 22:50:07
Friends,
The opening page of the faith board calls attention to a part of Jean Rousseau's writing. In that writing, Jean Rousseau writes,[...christianity preaches only servitude and dependence...true christians are made to be slaves...this short life counts for little in their lives...].
Let us look at what christianity says.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:49:25
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:40:05
Friends,
As this Jesus of Chritianity began to speak after His declaration of who He was, He was greeted by a multitude of people and His first words to them were, " Blessed are the poor in Spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:52:45
In reply to Re: What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?2 » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:49:25
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes arond Him, "Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:55:18
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?3, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:52:45
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 20:01:41
In reply to What are Christians? Is Rousseau correct?4, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2004, at 19:55:18
Friends,
Then this Jesus of Christianity said to the multitudes around Him, "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after rightiousness, for they shall be filled."
Lou
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