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Posted by cubbybear on June 3, 2003, at 21:50:20
Dear Bob,
Did you see the post from Wharfrat of, what was it-- 6/3/03?? This sounds serious. Do you want to get involved?
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2003, at 23:22:17
In reply to Suicide Threat??, posted by cubbybear on June 3, 2003, at 21:50:20
> Did you see the post from Wharfrat of, what was it-- 6/3/03?? This sounds serious. Do you want to get involved?
Thanks for making sure I knew. I've seen it, and it looks like he's getting support here, which is the idea...
Bob
Posted by ace on June 4, 2003, at 2:47:40
In reply to Re: Suicide Threat??, posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2003, at 23:22:17
> > Did you see the post from Wharfrat of, what was it-- 6/3/03?? This sounds serious. Do you want to get involved?
>
> Thanks for making sure I knew. I've seen it, and it looks like he's getting support here, which is the idea...
>
> Bob
I don't know Bob, seems like he has made his mind up...not good. I threw in a reply too - hope the kid brightens up.
Ace.
Posted by slinky on June 4, 2003, at 10:44:17
In reply to Re: Suicide Threat?? » Dr. Bob, posted by ace on June 4, 2003, at 2:47:40
Posted by Dragonslayer on June 5, 2003, at 14:02:51
In reply to Re: Suicide Threat?? » Dr. Bob, posted by ace on June 4, 2003, at 2:47:40
Maybe the person was well known and care and concern are merited in any situation like this--- but, this comes around every month or so. I'm not saying it's not real. Support is ALL that can be offered. This is not a forum for crisis intervention. The individuals that post these serious threats need to get off line and get help. Why is there always anger if the threat is questioned? Why is there always a "Don't worry about me, I won't be back anyway"--- only to have them reincarnate as another ID? Unfortunately, I've seen it too much to be fazed, and that's really sad.
Posted by shar on June 6, 2003, at 18:44:42
In reply to Wasn't gonna weight in, but-----, posted by Dragonslayer on June 5, 2003, at 14:02:51
I agree, DS. I think often we write in our darkest moments, and since everybody here has some pretty dark moments, I think the best we can do is support. Plus, when somebody did recently attempt some form of intervention I believe a law suit was threatened against Bob and PB, and the person who was going to be "helped" was furious and sparked other fury, and people fought, and left, and worried, etc....
I believe it is clearly stated in the "intro" posted on each board--if you're in trouble, get help the regular way (or something to that effect) meaning don't count on this forum to save your life if you're suicidal. Fact is people in real trouble need face-to-face help. It seems to me that's been made clear.
Shar
> Maybe the person was well known and care and concern are merited in any situation like this--- but, this comes around every month or so. I'm not saying it's not real. Support is ALL that can be offered. This is not a forum for crisis intervention. The individuals that post these serious threats need to get off line and get help. Why is there always anger if the threat is questioned? Why is there always a "Don't worry about me, I won't be back anyway"--- only to have them reincarnate as another ID? Unfortunately, I've seen it too much to be fazed, and that's really sad.
Posted by Dragonslayer on June 6, 2003, at 20:51:53
In reply to Re: Wasn't gonna weight in, but-----, posted by shar on June 6, 2003, at 18:44:42
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 9, 2003, at 1:52:20
In reply to Wasn't gonna weight in, but-----, posted by Dragonslayer on June 5, 2003, at 14:02:51
Re: this is the end- My 2 cents
Posted by Taylor123 on June 7, 2003, at 8:13:25
In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030530/msgs/231202.html
Hey all, and Kevin
Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth.
I read your post and my heart sank. I couldn't get your words out of my head all day. I was in a panic. The worst part is, being on the net, you are so helpless to help. If it's a friend, at least you know where they are or have someway of tracking them down, to help them.
Most of us here, are recovering and are on a pretty slippery emotional slope, and don't have the excess energy to be weeping for people that we cannot help.
I went off my Lithium that day, because I felt that there was no point in the whole thing. Battling with meds, keep going, side-effects etc. I felt all the things you wrote, and it tipped me over the edge to start a down hill spiral which I have been on before (numerous times) I also started cutting again.It's only my personal reaction, and heaven knows it's not worth much, but I thought I would just put it out there, to join the conversation.
I know how important it is to air your thoughts and feelings, and that's the very reason for this board (so I understand Dr BOB), However, even in our deepest, darkest moments, we have to remember that whatever we say has ramifications and repercussions to everyone around us.
If you do feel that down again, please know that everyone is here to help, but writing something so heart-wrenching, to a group of people who are trying to remain positive and supportive in the face of adversity is just simply not helpful.Call a helpline, call a friend, a family member, call your therapist, your doctor, go to your local hospital, but please try not to write those things when you know everyone here has their hands tied, and simply cannot get to you, to help you. It causes unecessary anguish.
Good luck, and hope nobody minds me putting in my two cents worth, for what it's worth!
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Re: this is the end- My 2 cents » Taylor123
Posted by Kathii on June 7, 2003, at 15:26:50
In reply to Re: this is the end- My 2 cents, posted by Taylor123 on June 7, 2003, at 8:13:25
> I went off my Lithium that day, because I felt that there was no point in the whole thing. Battling with meds, keep going, side-effects etc. I felt all the things you wrote, and it tipped me over the edge to start a down hill spiral which I have been on before (numerous times) I also started cutting again.
Hi Taylor - I hope you had only a momentary relapse, if not, I hope you did call someone, or saw your pdoc. It worries me that you went of your meds and started cutting again.
Please let us know that you're ok!
Posted by Jack Smith on June 12, 2003, at 12:33:09
In reply to Redirected: this is the end- My 2 cents , posted by Dr. Bob on June 9, 2003, at 1:52:20
Posted by Dragonslayer on June 12, 2003, at 13:44:46
In reply to I agree with you all but got banned for saying it (nm), posted by Jack Smith on June 12, 2003, at 12:33:09
Posted by Jack Smith on June 12, 2003, at 18:35:32
In reply to Could it have been the WAY you said it? (nm) » Jack Smith, posted by Dragonslayer on June 12, 2003, at 13:44:46
I agree that Bob should have banned me and I pretty much admitted it in my email I was just really upset about the whole thing. I got real down, thinking someone on the board was going through with something horrible. Then, you know, you start to think what if that's me and I give up, etc. I check the board in the morning and that guy says "sorry, I was just drunk" or something and you have to think what the **** I mean I just thought it was childish.
I agree that I should have been banned but Dr Bob and others, do you not think that behavior whereby you basically imply that you have OD'd on something which is exactly what that guy did, read his post, should get you banned as well? Is faking your own suicide not incivil behavior? Especially on a board where people are generally emotionally instable??
JACK
Posted by Dragonslayer on June 12, 2003, at 21:34:30
In reply to Well, Yes, you are right., posted by Jack Smith on June 12, 2003, at 18:35:32
I do agree with you. This behavior, real or a ruse, is concerning, at the least - and very upsetting, unsettling, and counterproductive for healing to some - at the worse. It illicts very strong reactions. Some boards are very strict on this type of posting. Boards that are "edited" don't allow this type posting and tell the indivdual to seek help. I'm not sure there will ever be a good resolution to this. It is one of the reasons I don't get as "involved" anymore. I want to be supported and to give support, but crisis line interactions aren't my thing and I don't think it should be for anyone. Encourage them to seek help and then, ignore is what I do.
Mental illnesses of all types are here and agendas are hard to determine. I didn't agree with your ban - I have found, on this site, the way an opinion is "presented" is almost more important than the idea itself.
Posted by justyourlaugh on June 12, 2003, at 22:50:38
In reply to Re: Well, Yes, you are right. » Jack Smith, posted by Dragonslayer on June 12, 2003, at 21:34:30
i feel if someone is hurting and desperate,,,encourage to seek help...end of line..
i truely respect bob's"hands off" appoach...
i feeel confindent i can vent...
be my twisted self without someone looming around looking for "death idealations"
if i ever were to write me last words on this site.....i would feel so violted if intervention was to take place...
just a thought
j
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 13, 2003, at 19:06:18
In reply to Well, Yes, you are right., posted by Jack Smith on June 12, 2003, at 18:35:32
> I just thought it was childish.
Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, could you please rephrase that? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Jack Smith on June 13, 2003, at 20:37:50
In reply to Re: please rephrase that » Jack Smith, posted by Dr. Bob on June 13, 2003, at 19:06:18
> > I just thought it was childish.
>
> Keeping in mind that the idea here is not to post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, could you please rephrase that? Thanks,
>
> BobI guess I can just say I will retract it because I cannot think of a more appopriate word (insensitive?) and next time I will be more careful. Thanks for giving me a chance to reword it.
JACK
Posted by katia on July 24, 2003, at 16:15:39
In reply to Re: Suicide Threat??, posted by Dr. Bob on June 3, 2003, at 23:22:17
Hi Dr. Bob,
I was wondering if there is a feature that allows me to search for current threads. The search button seems to only allow for searching last year threads. I'd like to search specifically for Depakote in recent threads and cannot figure out how to do this. Is it possible? and if so, how?
Thank you,
Katia
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 24, 2003, at 23:14:39
In reply to Search Question - Dr. Bob, posted by katia on July 24, 2003, at 16:15:39
> I was wondering if there is a feature that allows me to search for current threads.
There sure is, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/230618.html
Bob
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