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Posted by Deahoidar on October 6, 2016, at 4:54:52
Several clinical trials look to validate earlier case studies where patients received Botox injection into the forehead's frown muscles. Treatment yielded significant improvement, even remission. Results last from 4-6 months. Also, a very good chance that it will be covered by insurance!
I'm wondering if anyone hear has had this treatment?
I'm aiming to have it before the end of the month.
Posted by SLS on October 6, 2016, at 8:01:14
In reply to Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Deahoidar on October 6, 2016, at 4:54:52
> Several clinical trials look to validate earlier case studies where patients received Botox injection into the forehead's frown muscles. Treatment yielded significant improvement, even remission. Results last from 4-6 months. Also, a very good chance that it will be covered by insurance!
> I'm wondering if anyone hear has had this treatment?
> I'm aiming to have it before the end of the month.I haven't tried it, but I am aware of its usage. My doctor speculated that its therapeutic effect is produced by a loop that involves the effect of smiling on mood.
Good luck with it. I hope it works. Would you mind posting your results?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Hugh on October 6, 2016, at 13:21:36
In reply to Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Deahoidar on October 6, 2016, at 4:54:52
I might try it one of these days. Please let us know how it goes.
Posted by Phillipa on October 6, 2016, at 19:04:39
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Hugh on October 6, 2016, at 13:21:36
For what it's worth?
http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20140619/botox-depression
Posted by Deahoidar on October 7, 2016, at 3:09:21
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers? » Deahoidar, posted by SLS on October 6, 2016, at 8:01:14
> > Several clinical trials look to validate earlier case studies where patients received Botox injection into the forehead's frown muscles. Treatment yielded significant improvement, even remission. Results last from 4-6 months. Also, a very good chance that it will be covered by insurance!
> > I'm wondering if anyone hear has had this treatment?
> > I'm aiming to have it before the end of the month.
>
> I haven't tried it, but I am aware of its usage. My doctor speculated that its therapeutic effect is produced by a loop that involves the effect of smiling on mood.
>
> Good luck with it. I hope it works. Would you mind posting your results?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> - ScottScott, I plan to. Right now I'm appealing the insurance rejection. But I'm going forward with an initial consult with the neurologist and hope to schedule treatment not long thereafter.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2016, at 5:48:31
In reply to Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Deahoidar on October 6, 2016, at 4:54:52
very interesting. please keep us posted
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2016, at 6:40:44
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2016, at 5:48:31
it seems that the risk of side effects is limited, right?
Posted by former poster on October 8, 2016, at 13:20:19
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2016, at 6:40:44
I just had botox injections to this EXACT area 2 weeks ago for wrinkles. I never heard that it was a treatment for depression!!
Amazing coincidence finding this thread. Thanks for sharing this info!!
Posted by SLS on October 8, 2016, at 14:27:58
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers? » Lamdage22, posted by former poster on October 8, 2016, at 13:20:19
> I just had botox injections to this EXACT area 2 weeks ago for wrinkles. I never heard that it was a treatment for depression!!
> Amazing coincidence finding this thread. Thanks for sharing this info!!You're a pioneer!
n=1
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Deahoidar on October 8, 2016, at 19:02:59
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers?, posted by Lamdage22 on October 7, 2016, at 6:40:44
Yes. Botox injections in the area being evaluated for treating depression has very low risks associated with it.
> it seems that the risk of side effects is limited, right?
Posted by Hugh on October 10, 2016, at 13:32:14
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers? » Lamdage22, posted by former poster on October 8, 2016, at 13:20:19
Were your injections in the corrugator and procerus muscles? Scroll down to page 7 for a picture of where these muscles are located.
http://sites.utexas.edu/pharmacotherapy-rounds/files/2015/09/oji02-13-15.pdf
Posted by TriedEveryMedication on November 4, 2016, at 9:29:39
In reply to Re: Botox for depression? Beats Ketamine! Any takers? » former poster, posted by Hugh on October 10, 2016, at 13:32:14
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 4, 2016, at 13:09:19
In reply to Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure? (nm), posted by TriedEveryMedication on November 4, 2016, at 9:29:39
I have met a doctor who would do it. He says from time to time people ask him to do it for depression.
I cant refer you though because he practices in Frankfurt, Germany.
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 4, 2016, at 13:12:01
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Lamdage22 on November 4, 2016, at 13:09:19
I am just not convinced i want that. Not being able to frown :) What if somebody really pisses you off?
Posted by TriedEveryMedication on November 4, 2016, at 16:04:45
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Lamdage22 on November 4, 2016, at 13:12:01
> I am just not convinced i want that. Not being able to frown :) What if somebody really pisses you off?
smiling while you are killing them is much more devastating ;)
Posted by Deahoidar on November 8, 2016, at 14:47:30
In reply to Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure? (nm), posted by TriedEveryMedication on November 4, 2016, at 9:29:39
I contacted several neurologists and they would not perform the treatment as it is off-label.
I contacted several cosmetologists and 2 of the 3 were willing to do the treatment as long as I paid cash.
I ended up finding a neurologist who is willing to discuss with my pdoc and to administer the treatment. I'm appealing the insurance company's rejection and it is looking good.
Posted by Deahoidar on November 8, 2016, at 14:49:55
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Lamdage22 on November 4, 2016, at 13:12:01
The Botox effects (muscle paralysis is not permanent). It lasts about 3 months. They are finding that the anti-depressant effects last 4-6 months. That sounds good to me.
4-6 months is much better than Ketamine, and Botox costs a lot less and is more convenient.
Posted by Phillipa on November 8, 2016, at 20:02:47
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Deahoidar on November 8, 2016, at 14:49:55
Why not just go to a plastic surgeons and get botox? I would but don't need the forehead done. P
Posted by Hugh on November 10, 2016, at 14:55:30
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Lamdage22 on November 4, 2016, at 13:09:19
> I cant refer you though because he practices in Frankfurt, Germany.
I've read that Whole-Body Hyperthermia is a popular treatment in Germany. It's usually used for cancer or Lyme disease or asthma or ulcerative colitis or Crohn's, but you might be able to persuade a doctor to let you try it for depression.
http://www.heckel-medizintechnik.de/en/hyperthermia/medical_principle.shtml
Posted by Deahoidar on November 10, 2016, at 15:28:38
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure? » Deahoidar, posted by Phillipa on November 8, 2016, at 20:02:47
> Why not just go to a plastic surgeons and get botox? I would but don't need the forehead done. P
In discussing the procedure with them, the cosmetic doctors struck me as a bit too aloof. When I offered them a couple of journal articles that discussed the treatment locations, dosages, frequency, etc., their response was along the lines of "I do this all the time. Nothing to it."
Call me overly cautious but I just didn't feel comfortable with them.
Posted by Phillipa on November 10, 2016, at 17:33:06
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Deahoidar on November 10, 2016, at 15:28:38
I understand after all it is a toxin. reason I wouldn't it done for cosmetic reasons. Did you google under botox and plastic surgeon's and see what come up? Phillipa
Posted by porkpiehat on November 13, 2016, at 11:25:30
In reply to Re: Will any cosmetic doctor perform this procedure?, posted by Deahoidar on November 8, 2016, at 14:47:30
> I contacted several neurologists and they would not perform the treatment as it is off-label.
>
> I contacted several cosmetologists and 2 of the 3 were willing to do the treatment as long as I paid cash.
>
> I ended up finding a neurologist who is willing to discuss with my pdoc and to administer the treatment. I'm appealing the insurance company's rejection and it is looking good.
I work next to a medical spa company. If you go to them and tell them you want "less bitchy" eyebrows and it might help with headaches they should do it with no questions asked!
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