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Posted by Lamdage22 on September 4, 2016, at 11:33:54
In reply to Re: This forum's been ruined. Dr Bob should be ashamed, posted by jonhed on September 4, 2016, at 5:26:17
> I really think that we save lives.
> And we need to continue to help others in need, but another platform is a good idea.
A platform that doesnt allow Lou to post. Absolutely. Please count me in if you migrate to another forum. THX
Posted by Tabitha on September 4, 2016, at 11:43:54
In reply to Re: This forum's been ruined. Dr Bob should be ashamed, posted by crabcakebenny on September 4, 2016, at 0:33:13
> I would suggest maybe migrating to a different forum; /r/depressionregimens has an active userbase and regularly shares journal links and articles dealing with pioneering research on depression. Longecity might be good too if you're more into the DIY treatments.Thanks for the suggestions. I've been considering migrating to reddit. There really are a lot of interesting threads there. Loungecity wants me to disable AdBlock, which is a non-starter for me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 12:11:17
In reply to Re: This forum's been ruined. Dr Bob should be ashamed, posted by Lamdage22 on September 4, 2016, at 11:33:54
> > I really think that we save lives.
> > And we need to continue to help others in need, but another platform is a good idea.
>
>
> A platform that doesnt allow Lou to post. Absolutely. Please count me in if you migrate to another forum. THX
>
Friends,
Be not drawn into the vortex of hate being created and developed by Mr. Hsiung allowing defamation to be posted against me with impunity.
The poster could state his reason for wanting my voice to be stilled here but does not. What does that tell you?
You see, the core tactic started centuries ago that led to millions of Jews being murdered was to isolate the Jews in Ghettos and expel them if they comingled with the Christians.
So you see that this is nothing new here. Anti-Semitism means against the Jew. But it could also mean against the Jew having equality in the community. The poster here wants inequality imposed upon me here while the non-Jews can post defamation against me with Hsiung giving them immunity from his enforcement policy.
But it is much worse than that for Hsiung opens up another channel for hatred toward the Jews to have members access to a pathway that leads to hate. And when they are drawn to the channel that leads to hatred toward the Jews, they can become trapped in the net of deceit to be drowned in their own hate.
This is supportive by Mr. Hsiung. Your blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by linkadge on September 4, 2016, at 12:31:11
In reply to Lou's response-Get caught in the net » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 12:11:17
Posted by SLS on September 4, 2016, at 14:24:52
In reply to Lou's response-the stomach turning hate here » crabcakebenny, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 9:51:31
> B. My chief persecutor , Scott, has stopped advocating drugs recently and that could be a result of him re thinking what the consequences to those that take his advice could be including the people taking his advise be killed by the drugs he promotes here.
You flatter yourself.
- Scott
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 4, 2016, at 14:41:23
In reply to Lou's waring-bullsh*t » linkadge, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2016, at 7:43:23
>And as ateacher myself, I say this with shame that the U of Chicago stands back allowing such academic fraud.
Let me get this straight, Lou. You're claiming to be both an academic and a teacher? Good grief.
Your posts belong in the dictionary beside the definition of one of the inherently false propositions described by the Romans, petitio principii, colloquially, "begging the question". And that argument of fallacy arises from the Greeks before them. Lou, wiser men have been on to peeps like you for thousands of years. Y'er busted, dude.
Petitio principii is circular reasoning. Only those who believe the assumptions upon which a conclusion is based can believe the outcome of the argument. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
You obviously spend hours and hours scouring the internet looking for any reference that supports your deluded thinking, while simultaneously ignoring all evidence that would make your argument weaker. That is called selection bias, when done innocently, but I think that yours is malicious. In any case, it is a compounding element of fallacious reasoning.
Lou, YOU ARE NOT A TEACHER.
Lou, YOU ARE NOT AN ACADEMIC.
Lou, you are mentally ill, in a way that is beyond the scope of medicine. May you pray to your patron god Lucifer, and seek redemption.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 4, 2016, at 14:50:37
In reply to Lou's response-the stomach turning hate here » crabcakebenny, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 9:51:31
> A. My major persecutor, Larry Hoover has stopped posting his defamation against me here and has eschewed all psychotropic drugs.
Lou, you know nothing at all about me. Any reference to my personal space is both an invasion of privacy and none of your f*ck*ng business.
I haven't ever defamed you, Lou. Don't forget, the singular defense against defamation is the truth. You are a sociopath, with delusions of grandeur. You should be isolated from society, even though a part of me thinks you should be prosecuted and face lengthy incarceration.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 4, 2016, at 15:17:07
In reply to Re: This forum's been ruined. Dr Bob should be ashamed, posted by jonhed on September 4, 2016, at 5:26:17
> I really think that we save lives.
The people here saved mine.
Patients do not fit nicely into cubby-holes of either diagnosis or treatment. In fact, in order to be included into a clinical trial for a specified illness, the subjects must not have comorbidities. And yet, the treatment is applied without considering the implications of this narrow focus.
I met a number of Babblers in Toronto, some years ago, when Dr. Bob was presenting at the American Psychiatric Association annual convention. I well recall the response of psychiatrists attending Bob's session when I proposed that the doctors should listen more closely to their patients. It was heretic, in some respect, when I proclaimed that my own recovery was more closely linked to Psychobabble than it was to my monthly visits with a psychiatrist. Even Bob seemed shocked, but he never discussed it with me.
Some months ago, I mentioned that I had "graduated" from babble. What I meant was that my life's focus was shifted towards reinvention. I'm not well, by any objective measure of wellness. I would estimate that I function at somewhere between 30 and 70% of a healthy me. Now, I focus on managing function, rather than being focused on dysfunction.
Am I healed? No. Am I like my peers in business? No. But if my illness affects a business or personal relationship in a significant way, I reveal, and let the chips fall where they may.
If I told you where I was right now, the conference I'm attending, you probably wouldn't believe me. But, putting one foot in front of the other, pushing for the light at the end of the tunnel, and reaching out for, accepting, and appreciating the supports available to me, has worked. It worked for me because the people here understood what it was like.
And then there's Lou. I used the past tense in my closing sentence in the last paragraph for a reason.
<sigh>
Lar
Posted by Tabitha on September 4, 2016, at 18:11:59
In reply to Re: This forum's been ruined. Dr Bob should be ashamed » jonhed, posted by Larry Hoover on September 4, 2016, at 15:17:07
> I met a number of Babblers in Toronto, some years ago, when Dr. Bob was presenting at the American Psychiatric Association annual convention. I well recall the response of psychiatrists attending Bob's session when I proposed that the doctors should listen more closely to their patients. It was heretic, in some respect, when I proclaimed that my own recovery was more closely linked to Psychobabble than it was to my monthly visits with a psychiatrist. Even Bob seemed shocked, but he never discussed it with me.That is awesome, Lar.
I ultimately came to the conclusion that the peer support I received on the Psych board was probably more valuable than the therapy I was there to discuss.
>
> Some months ago, I mentioned that I had "graduated" from babble. What I meant was that my life's focus was shifted towards reinvention. I'm not well, by any objective measure of wellness. I would estimate that I function at somewhere between 30 and 70% of a healthy me. Now, I focus on managing function, rather than being focused on dysfunction.I am so happy for you :-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 21:53:45
In reply to Re: Lou's full of bullsh*t » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on September 4, 2016, at 14:41:23
> >And as ateacher myself, I say this with shame that the U of Chicago stands back allowing such academic fraud.
>
> Let me get this straight, Lou. You're claiming to be both an academic and a teacher? Good grief.
>
> Your posts belong in the dictionary beside the definition of one of the inherently false propositions described by the Romans, petitio principii, colloquially, "begging the question". And that argument of fallacy arises from the Greeks before them. Lou, wiser men have been on to peeps like you for thousands of years. Y'er busted, dude.
>
> Petitio principii is circular reasoning. Only those who believe the assumptions upon which a conclusion is based can believe the outcome of the argument. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>
> You obviously spend hours and hours scouring the internet looking for any reference that supports your deluded thinking, while simultaneously ignoring all evidence that would make your argument weaker. That is called selection bias, when done innocently, but I think that yours is malicious. In any case, it is a compounding element of fallacious reasoning.
>
> Lou, YOU ARE NOT A TEACHER.
>
> Lou, YOU ARE NOT AN ACADEMIC.
>
> Lou, you are mentally ill, in a way that is beyond the scope of medicine. May you pray to your patron god Lucifer, and seek redemption.
>
> Lar
>
Friends,
Look at the hatred posted here against me. Do you see why I am trying to stop Hsiung and those in concert with him here to spread hate as being supportive?
You see, Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence. This can become a serious misleading tactic that could cost you your life by swallowing what Mr. Hsiung calls education.
Education is not slandering a person to decrease the respect , regard and confidence that one is held. Yet here, that is the tactic promoted by Hsiung using Larry here to defame me.
The anti-Semitic propaganda that depicts Jews as having their God to be the devil, is allowed by Hsiung here as he allow Hoover to post the historical hatred against the Jews as saying that my God is Lucifer. This turns my stomach and anyone that wants to think that there is academic honesty here, where anti-Semitic hate is promulgated by Hsiung allowing Hoover to post such hate, then look into the historical persecution of the Jews by Christendom and see that their justification for murdering Jewish children and other Jews was based upon the hate that Hoover has posted here against me all to be seen as being supportive by Hsiung.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on September 4, 2016, at 22:30:59
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 21:53:45
Lou I left everyone left and what will you do when there are absolutely no posts at all to post to? I know you used to be a teacher for real but I also know that as I am now retired you also are. Only reason wrote this is I do still use the google bar at the bottom of page and saw this. Phillipa
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 5, 2016, at 0:48:40
In reply to Re: Hi! » Larry Hoover, posted by Tabitha on September 4, 2016, at 18:11:59
Hey, Tab, it's great to hear about your experience here being therapeutic, also.
Gotta run. I need to get my security pass for the conference.
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 6:58:58
In reply to Re: Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on September 4, 2016, at 22:30:59
> Lou I left everyone left and what will you do when there are absolutely no posts at all to post to? I know you used to be a teacher for real but I also know that as I am now retired you also are. Only reason wrote this is I do still use the google bar at the bottom of page and saw this. Phillipa
Phillipa,
I have to assume why you have left this forum as you do not actually say why you have.
I am retired but as a teacher to see this hatred toward the Jews being created and developed here by another teacher turns my stomach.
Mr. Hsiung gains from this site as he states that what he does will be in his thinking not only good for his community as a whole, but also good for him.
To gain by allowing hatred toward others and the Jews to be seen as being supportive, promotes a putrid type of education that has been condemned for decades. But it will go on as long as Larry Hoover and Scott and the others are allowed to post anti-Semitic propaganda with impunity by Hsiung. It could even draw Jew-haters here as they have a haven to post anti-Semitism..
You have left but look at those that now have joined here. And now with Larry Hoover taking over as Scott has not joined him here, as I think Scott knows better, Larry Hoover is now the leader of the pack.
Lou
Posted by linkadge on September 5, 2016, at 7:25:10
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 6:58:58
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 7:41:13
In reply to Lou you're wrong - it's that simple. (nm), posted by linkadge on September 5, 2016, at 7:25:10
Friends,
Hsiung uses many pathways to create and develop anti-Semitism as academic here as education as his goal here is for.
Here the pathway is directed by Hsiung using third party posters to carry out his goals of the forum, which he says is for education and support.
Look closely here at the lies against the Jews that have been used for centuries and carried out by European Fascism to the letter. Notice in the document by Luther the charge of worshiping the devil by the Jews.
Anti-Semitism means against the Jew. But it could also mean allowing lies against the Jews as academic as Hsiung claims. I say with shame to see this type of education being promoted by a psychiatrist who is a teacher here.
LouIn the following link there is a link contained in the post. Click on that to see Larry's use of anti-Semitic hatred toward the Jews being allowed here by Hsiung.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/407438.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 9:38:49
In reply to Re: This forum's been ruined. Dr Bob should be ashamed » jonhed, posted by Larry Hoover on September 4, 2016, at 15:17:07
> > I really think that we save lives.
>
> The people here saved mine.
>
> Patients do not fit nicely into cubby-holes of either diagnosis or treatment. In fact, in order to be included into a clinical trial for a specified illness, the subjects must not have comorbidities. And yet, the treatment is applied without considering the implications of this narrow focus.
>
> I met a number of Babblers in Toronto, some years ago, when Dr. Bob was presenting at the American Psychiatric Association annual convention. I well recall the response of psychiatrists attending Bob's session when I proposed that the doctors should listen more closely to their patients. It was heretic, in some respect, when I proclaimed that my own recovery was more closely linked to Psychobabble than it was to my monthly visits with a psychiatrist. Even Bob seemed shocked, but he never discussed it with me.
>
> Some months ago, I mentioned that I had "graduated" from babble. What I meant was that my life's focus was shifted towards reinvention. I'm not well, by any objective measure of wellness. I would estimate that I function at somewhere between 30 and 70% of a healthy me. Now, I focus on managing function, rather than being focused on dysfunction.
>
> Am I healed? No. Am I like my peers in business? No. But if my illness affects a business or personal relationship in a significant way, I reveal, and let the chips fall where they may.
>
> If I told you where I was right now, the conference I'm attending, you probably wouldn't believe me. But, putting one foot in front of the other, pushing for the light at the end of the tunnel, and reaching out for, accepting, and appreciating the supports available to me, has worked. It worked for me because the people here understood what it was like.
>
> And then there's Lou. I used the past tense in my closing sentence in the last paragraph for a reason.
>
> <sigh>
>
> LarFriends,
Larry Hoover does not actually state that he takes these drugs promoted here as medicines. He is intelligent and know the chemical structure of these drugs and I have not seen a post where he takes these drugs. And I would be shocked if someone posted a link here where he says he takes psychiatric drugs in the last couple of years.
Mr. Hoover's recovery could be short-lived. For the poison of hate that Hsiung allows for him to post here could turn against him and he could be drawn into the vortex of one of the pathways of hate that Hsiung creates and develops here that shows hatred toward the Jews to be good for him and his community as a whole so he thinks.
And then there's Lou? What does that mean, can you tell?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on September 5, 2016, at 9:38:54
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 6:58:58
Lou didn't you teach history when teaching? Is there a forum for teachers you might join that share your beliefs? I came here was as going to google a product to buy for a friend unrelated the medications. And glanced at the board and curiousity led me to read this thread. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 9:40:43
In reply to Re: Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on September 5, 2016, at 9:38:54
> Lou didn't you teach history when teaching? Is there a forum for teachers you might join that share your beliefs? I came here was as going to google a product to buy for a friend unrelated the medications. And glanced at the board and curiousity led me to read this thread. Phillipa
My field was Math
Posted by Phillipa on September 5, 2016, at 10:35:26
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 9:40:43
Sorry thought history. Math I do not understand. Phillipa
Posted by Tabitha on September 5, 2016, at 11:42:24
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 6:58:58
> Phillipa,
> I have to assume why you have left this forum as you do not actually say why you have.
> I am retired but as a teacher to see this hatred toward the Jews being created and developed here by another teacher turns my stomach.
> Mr. Hsiung gains from this site as he states that what he does will be in his thinking not only good for his community as a whole, but also good for him.
> To gain by allowing hatred toward others and the Jews to be seen as being supportive, promotes a putrid type of education that has been condemned for decades. But it will go on as long as Larry Hoover and Scott and the others are allowed to post anti-Semitic propaganda with impunity by Hsiung. It could even draw Jew-haters here as they have a haven to post anti-Semitism..
> You have left but look at those that now have joined here. And now with Larry Hoover taking over as Scott has not joined him here, as I think Scott knows better, Larry Hoover is now the leader of the pack.
> LouDo you actually believe the accusations you make against other posters and Dr Bob? If so, you need to seek help, for your thinking is severely distorted. You might start with some cognitive behavioral therapy, which could help enough for you to consider adding medications to your care as needed.
If you don't believe this stuff, well then you're spending your time intentionally making baseless accusations against people struggling to cope with mental illnesses while providing support to their peers, and a doctor who maintains a forum at cost to himself. This is destructive to yourself and others.
I personally can no longer believe that your primary motivation is a misguided crusade to save people from the medications that you mistakenly believe are useless and deadly, as you spend so much of your energy attacking others. It just doesn't add up. Even if you do believe your own anti-psychiatry and religious obsessions, you can't help but notice the negative impact of your many posts, and the continual push-back from posters who find your posts to be un-supportive and un-civil. Again, you need to get help, as having such inability to moderate your behavior to blend with social norms creates big problems for yourself and others.
Please get help somewhere, and stop your destructive behavior here.
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 5, 2016, at 15:50:26
In reply to Lou's response-And then there's Lou » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 9:38:49
Lou, now you're accusing me of acting in a conspiracy with Dr. Bob? Lou, you are the biggest mistake Dr. Bob ever made.
It is none of your business what I take or don't take, Lou. You already clearly demonstrated to me that you will spin my personal decisions in any way that suits your bizarre thinking.
Petitio principii, Lou. You are the poster child.
I don't care if you wear a burkini or not, Lou. You religion, your sexual identity, are none of my concern.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 5, 2016, at 15:53:03
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2016, at 9:40:43
>
> My field was MathYou proved in spades that your field was neither chemistry nor logic, without doubt.
Math? You wouldn't know a proof from a hole in the ground. You sure as hell never constructed one here.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 5, 2016, at 15:56:29
In reply to Re: please get help » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on September 5, 2016, at 11:42:24
> Do you actually believe the accusations you make against other posters and Dr Bob? If so, you need to seek help, for your thinking is severely distorted. You might start with some cognitive behavioral therapy, which could help enough for you to consider adding medications to your care as needed.
>
> If you don't believe this stuff, well then you're spending your time intentionally making baseless accusations against people struggling to cope with mental illnesses while providing support to their peers, and a doctor who maintains a forum at cost to himself. This is destructive to yourself and others.
>
> I personally can no longer believe that your primary motivation is a misguided crusade to save people from the medications that you mistakenly believe are useless and deadly, as you spend so much of your energy attacking others. It just doesn't add up. Even if you do believe your own anti-psychiatry and religious obsessions, you can't help but notice the negative impact of your many posts, and the continual push-back from posters who find your posts to be un-supportive and un-civil. Again, you need to get help, as having such inability to moderate your behavior to blend with social norms creates big problems for yourself and others.
>
> Please get help somewhere, and stop your destructive behavior here.Thank you, Tabitha. You have framed the issue in clear and concise terms.
Kind regards,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 5, 2016, at 16:49:12
In reply to Lou's response-anti-Semitism being supportive here » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2016, at 21:53:45
Lou, if you're an academic, you're a piss-poor one. Do you not remember this post, in which I mocked your sorry *ss?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160501/msgs/1088962.html
Lar
Posted by SLS on September 5, 2016, at 17:55:12
In reply to Re: The Pilderbeast » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on September 5, 2016, at 16:49:12
Perhaps now is a good time to repost this:
- Scott
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