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Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 8:42:02
In reply to I'm sorry, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 7:34:49
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Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 9:33:56
In reply to Re: Helping those with mental health conditions, posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 1:29:44
Tabitha you last two responses are just what I personally needed to hear. Thank you so much Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:10:05
In reply to Re: Science. » SLS, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 14:23:19
Another "enlightened" preacher:)
PB seems to create them somehow.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:19:11
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:10:05
America just really loves doctors that write books where they think they have the cure for all the evils in the world.
And Grain Brain sounds exactly like that.
Sensation sells.
If you count on that for your recovery, i cant stop you.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:27:32
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:19:11
These books seem like they are all written by the same person.
Think about it.
How many people eat grains? How many people are depressed? Do you notice something? Nutrition, for most people is not the reason why they are depressed. As simple as that. I used to buy those books, too. Not anymore. The less spiritual chitchat i consume, the better i can think.
Maybe i should write a book:)
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:28:07
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:27:32
These books are a plague that seems to preferably hit America.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 13:17:41
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:28:07
I will give you that maybe nutrition and exercise are the last 10-15% towards complete remission.
They are not however a cure-all.
Posted by J Kelly on April 19, 2016, at 13:25:39
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:27:32
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> Maybe i should write a book:)
>Lamdage you make me lol (not to make light of this thread)
Jade
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 13:47:45
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:28:07
> These books are a plague that seems to preferably hit America.
Come on Lamdage, at least present some info that would suggest I'm as "off my rocker" as you suggest.
While after a short search, I didn't come up with "mainstream" sources of information that show a possible link between carbohydrates and depression. Probably because I'm not in the mood to look up a lot of things right now...
...Here are some articles showing a link between excessive carb consumption and other brain disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15082091http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
http://www.alzheimers.net/2013-11-04/do-carbs-and-gluten-cause-alzheimers/
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/do-carbs-cause-alzheimers
I'm not trying to present any idea that I'm 100% correct. But I'm trying to show that the typical diet we rat might just contribute/cause mental health problems.
I want to know just why many people
start thinking "crazy conspiracy theorist" every time something outside general public opinion is brought up? We call people "sheep" when they only buy into what the authorities tell them, unless we also buy into it.
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 13:50:43
In reply to Re: Science., posted by Lamdage22 on April 19, 2016, at 12:28:07
> These books are a plague that seems to preferably hit America.
Come on Lamdage, at least present some info that would suggest I'm as "off my rocker" as you suggest.
While after a short search, I didn't come up with "mainstream" sources of information that show a possible link between carbohydrates and depression. Probably because I'm not in the mood to look up a lot of things right now...
...Here are some articles showing a link between excessive carb consumption and other brain disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15082091http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
http://www.alzheimers.net/2013-11-04/do-carbs-and-gluten-cause-alzheimers/
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/do-carbs-cause-alzheimers
I'm not trying to present any idea that I'm 100% correct. But I'm trying to show that the typical diet we rat might just contribute/cause mental health problems.
I want to know just why many people
start thinking "crazy conspiracy theorist" every time something outside general public opinion is brought up? We call people "sheep" when they only buy into what the authorities tell them, unless we also buy into it.
Posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 14:37:08
In reply to Re: Helping those with mental health conditions, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 0:52:57
> You guys are making it more and more obvious that you 100% deserve the stigma that you experience by closing off any suggestion that there's a world of help beyond more pills. You're being just as closed minded as someone who says it's all in your head, pills don't work, that you just need willpower. The next time you experience any negativity because of the stigma exists, remember this, please. The irony blows my mind.
I'm open to any suggestion, but once the suggestion has been made, I want to evaluate the evidence for it before trying it. Good evidence includes having a foundation in basic science followed by controlled experiments on humans with good quality studies (large sample size, randomization, double-blinding, peer-review of the results) and subsequent FDA approval (demonstrating safety, efficacy, dosage, and continued monitoring for side effects in users after the approval process). This doesn't mean "pills only". Any treatment can be methodically tested and subject to peer review and FDA approval.
As I said, FDA approval is a low water mark for me, meaning that's the minimum level of evidence that makes something worth trying. I generally prefer to use things that have been FDA approved and also in use long enough for additional trials to replicate results and for long-term side effects to become known.
I don't think it makes sense to describe having such standards of evidence as being "closed minded". I think of it as making smart use of my limited time and money.
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 16:08:11
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Hello321, posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 14:37:08
I see. Well I hope I've helped at least one person by the suggestions I've made. And there are many other options out there as well. That if someone runs into a roadblock with medications, or they're just not up for trying another pill, they will consider other options they normally wouldn't have considered.
One thing I've noticed about myself. I've been sensitive to high pitched sounds sounds for a few months now, like squealing brakes or little kids screaming. After a high pitched sound would hit me, I'd feel listless afterwards. And during the time I did eat very few carbohydrates for about a month, I became noticeably less sensitive to high pitched sounds. At the time I didn't attribute it to the diet, and I'm still not sure. But ever since I started back on carbs, my sensitivity has slowly come back. I went mostly back to my normal diet because of something in my low carb diet causing me stomach cramps. But i just got back from Walmart with plenty of low carb, high fiber and moderate protein foods and I'm going to try eating low carb again. I'm thinking the bowl of heavy cream, Coconut and cocoa powder and stevia snack I had been eating regularly is likely the culprit, though. Lol. It was good though.
Posted by Tabitha on April 19, 2016, at 16:53:37
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Tabitha, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 16:08:11
> I'm thinking the bowl of heavy cream, Coconut and cocoa powder and stevia snack I had been eating regularly is likely the culprit, though. Lol. It was good though.
We agree on that-- it does sound good! Except I would use real sugar ;-)
Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 18:14:59
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Tabitha, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 16:08:11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/16/stevia-what-is-it_n_5983772.html
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 18:39:34
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Hello321, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 18:14:59
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/16/stevia-what-is-it_n_5983772.html
Thanks. And yeah, Stevia isn't perfect. But I think it's a much better option than Splenda or Sweet N Low. And I get the liquid Stevia to avoid the carbs from dextrose that's added to powdered Stevia, though it is a small amount of carbs, i suppose it could add up. But I'm going to try cutting Stevia out this time, too. I got a theory that food should mainly used for its nutrients and not eaten for pleasure. And that if food weren't eaten for pleasure, the brain would be more reactive to pleasure in everyday life.
,Lol yeah I got a lot of theories
Posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 18:54:42
In reply to Re: Science. » Lamdage22, posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 13:50:43
> > These books are a plague that seems to preferably hit America.
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Americans have always believed in the power of positive thinking.> I want to know just why many people
> start thinking "crazy conspiracy theorist" every time something outside general public opinion is brought up? We call people "sheep" when they only buy into what the authorities tell them, unless we also buy into it.I don't think anti-grain diets are outside of public opinion these days, though they may be outside of actual public behavior. I know half-a-dozen people on paleo diets. Everyone is gluten free. Low carb diets - Atkins and South Beach are perennially popular. I've heard two interviews on NPR in the last two months about how we need to go back to the protein-fat-vege/fruit diet of our remote ancestors.
Part of the issue here with the emphasis on diet and exercise and whatever is that this is the standard response of people who know us, want us better and understand nothing about mental illness. Just get out of bed and you'll feel better. Go to the gym and you'll feel better. Come to a yoga class with me and you'll feel better. Jeez, why don't you just feel better? Snap out of it. Eat a healthier diet and you'll feel better.
Therapy is the only non-med treatment shown to work, though it works best with meds. But my therapist is a psychiatrist and he feels, though he believes strongly in therapy, that, when I am depressed, we can't really do therapy. All we do is work on stabilizing me.
Posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 19:14:25
In reply to Re: being closed minded » Hello321, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 18:14:59
A follow on. I had severe knee pain, could barely walk. And got the same go around. Take naproxen, take ibuprofen, build up the muscles by lifting weights. Oh, just wait til the weather is warmer/colder/less humid/more humid, then you'll feel better. Lose weight, you'll feel better. I did all these things.
Finally went to a doctor who said I had no cartilage in my knee and needed a knee replacement. Boy, did medical intervention make me feel better!
Posted by Hello321 on April 19, 2016, at 19:51:49
In reply to Re: Science., posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 18:54:42
What I'm talking about is more than just the general idea of what makes up a healthy diet. It's basically about understanding and taking in the kind of nutrition the brains functions are believed to thrive off of, and cutting out anything that can be counterproductive to its healthy functioning. I think it's referred to as Functional Nutrition. As you mentioned, there is different thinking as to what the best diet is. And if the diet I've been describing isn't the overall best, I think it's the best for brain health.
Im trying to really put my mind to making a change for the better and really devoting myself to this diet. I know I personally need a major change for the better in how I function in daily life, and I'm hoping making major changes in the way I eat might just help me get where I want to be. I know the way I was eating didn't really do anything for me.
Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 20:08:19
In reply to Re: being closed minded, posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 19:14:25
So many here have had either both knee replacement or one. And some hip replacements also. And now they can do what they did before. Arthritis bone without cartilage can't be cured or fixed with diet. So surgery needed. How's the pain now gone? Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 3:41:03
In reply to Re: Science. » Lamdage22, posted by J Kelly on April 19, 2016, at 13:25:39
i dont participate in this anymore
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 4:19:55
In reply to Re: being closed minded » baseball55, posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2016, at 20:08:19
You are saying that we deserve the stigma. Who the hell are you to decide that?
And all that just because you have read a book?
Posted by SLS on April 20, 2016, at 6:08:06
In reply to Re: Science., posted by baseball55 on April 19, 2016, at 18:54:42
> But my therapist is a psychiatrist and he feels, though he believes strongly in therapy, that, when I am depressed, we can't really do therapy. All we do is work on stabilizing me.
Yes. Exactly. This has been my experience as well. When I am at rock-bottom, I tell my therapist that he or she has only one job - keep me alive. When I feel better, I love to work on my issues - because I can. I have plenty of them. Reaching for a self-actualizing lifestyle is my long-term goal.
Talking about drugs all of the time does not blind me to the rest of the world of psychiatric therapeutics. It would be presumptuous, and an example of all-or-nothing thinking, for someone to describe me as being blind, especially when they haven't had the advantage of reading all of my posts through the years.
Overgeneralizing is often counterproductive and can set up for adversarial relationships.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 20, 2016, at 6:52:01
In reply to Re: Science., posted by SLS on April 20, 2016, at 6:08:06
> > But my therapist is a psychiatrist and he feels, though he believes strongly in therapy, that, when I am depressed, we can't really do therapy. All we do is work on stabilizing me.
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> Yes. Exactly. This has been my experience as well. When I am at rock-bottom, I tell my therapist that he or she has only one job - keep me alive. When I feel better, I love to work on my issues - because I can. I have plenty of them. Reaching for a self-actualizing lifestyle is my long-term goal.
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> Talking about drugs all of the time does not blind me to the rest of the world of psychiatric therapeutics. It would be presumptuous, and an example of all-or-nothing thinking, for someone to describe me as being blind, especially when they haven't had the advantage of reading all of my posts through the years.
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> Overgeneralizing is often counterproductive and can set up for adversarial relationships.
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> - ScottI wouldnt even defend myself. This is just hilarious.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 9:02:22
In reply to Lou is right, posted by Hello321 on April 18, 2016, at 10:36:34
> One thing Lou is 100% right about is that every time some starts taking a psychiatric pills, they're putting their life and the lives of others at risk.
Hello321 and friends,
Many of you already know that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and stop Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and all those members here in concert with them, from allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen here as civil and defamation against me also being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive.
You see, by the hatred toward the Jews and me being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive, it has been revealed to me that those that post such hate could be a powerful influence on vulnerable readers here to kill themselves and or others. Let me show you how this works.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 10:02:39
In reply to Lou's response to [ Lou is right]- » Hello321, posted by Lou Pilder on April 20, 2016, at 9:02:22
> > One thing Lou is 100% right about is that every time some starts taking a psychiatric pills, they're putting their life and the lives of others at risk.
>
> Hello321 and friends,
> Many of you already know that I am trying to save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and stop Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and all those members here in concert with them, from allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen here as civil and defamation against me also being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive.
> You see, by the hatred toward the Jews and me being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive, it has been revealed to me that those that post such hate could be a powerful influence on vulnerable readers here to kill themselves and or others. Let me show you how this works.
> Lou
>
Let us try to understand here that discrimination is an abuse of power. Mr. Hsiung uses discrimination in his TOS by denying me equal protection of his rules/policies by allowing defamation toward me and anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive while stating that the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me will not be allowed to be posted by me to be seen as supportive. This is the beginning of the hatred toward the Jews authorized by Mr. Hsiung himself as it is a powerful influence to vulnerable readers to see that a psychiatrist is discriminating in his rules that is against the Jew. Anti-Semitism means against the Jew and with that understanding, Mr. Hsiung's policy is an anti-Semitic policy.
With the foundation of anti-Semitism established by Mr. Hsiung in that post by him where he states that the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is uncivil, he then allows anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being civil. This reinforces to those in concert with Mr. Hsiung that those that post hatred toward me could be favored by him to be exempt from his enforcement policy that could stop the hate, but by him using discrimination in the threat to sanction me while allowing those posting hate to not be sanctioned, a false mind-set could be induced into minds here that Judaism is inferior to Christendom or that Judaism could bring harm to you. Since Mr. Hsiung asks you to trust him and that he will appreciate it if you do, then readers could be swayed to think that they could get Mr. Hsiung's admiration if they post defamation toward me and anti-Semitic propaganda.
Then Mr. Hsiung denies me equal protection of his notification policy and at the same time encourages others to not respond to me as by him not responding to my notifications, he creates a and develops hatred toward me by his example to others. To encourage others to not respond to someone creates a stigmatization of the target person and cause humiliation. Mr. Hsiung knows or should know that his allowing hatred toward me here to be seen as supportive, could cause great harm to me, but worse, could infect the minds of our young people to think that anti-Semitism and hatred is good for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole in his thinking so it could be good for them also. Millions of Jewish children were murdered with that false mind-set induced into people by psychiatrists in the past.
Never again.
Lou
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