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Posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
I chose to try the addition of Saphris to my regime in the hope that I will experience an improvement in depression and be able to discontinue Abilify.
Let's see what happens.
Currently:
Parnate 120 mg/day
nortriptyline 100 mg/day
Lamictal 300 mg/day
lithium 300 mg/day
prazosin 15 mg/day
Abilify 5 mg/day (to be discontinued)
Saphris 10 mg/day
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 9:20:00
In reply to Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
> I chose to try the addition of Saphris to my regime in the hope that I will experience an improvement in depression and be able to discontinue Abilify.
>
> Let's see what happens.
>
> Currently:
>
> Parnate 120 mg/day
> nortriptyline 100 mg/day
> Lamictal 300 mg/day
> lithium 300 mg/day
> prazosin 15 mg/day
> Abilify 5 mg/day (to be discontinued)
> Saphris 10 mg/day
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Be not deceived to think that because the combinations of drugs listed by the poster is being taken by him that it is safe to take those drugs together. You could be misled here to think that since the poster lists that he is taking all those drugs together that it is supportive here to advocate such. You could be led to think that because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence here and that if nothing is done to the post that it is not against the rules here of Mr. Hsiung. That could be further convoluted by that Mr. Hsiung after the fact states that he could allow unsupportive statements to not be addressed by him if he thinks that by allowing the post to be seen as supportive that it will be good for this community as a whole to have the post to be seen that way. The combination of the drugs listed could cause death. This could lead , or mislead, a subset of readers to think that death is supportive in Mr. Hsiung's thinking and any deputy of record because the post stands unsanctioned leading some to think that what is contained in the post is being supportive here.
Be advised that many can come here to fool you into taking drugs that could addict you, cause a life-ruining condition and cause you to go into a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others, and even commit mass-murder. And you mothers, take heed of what I say here when you decide to drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor based upon what you see as being supportive here. For there will be scoffers here, posting anti-Semitic contempt against me being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking along with his deputies of record to allow anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive here. That could decrease the respect and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feeling against me so that you could discard what I am saying which could lead to your death, or the death of your child.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2015, at 9:50:41
In reply to Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
Scott best of luck to you. Also as a side note did you know that abilify is now a generic. But since you are switching meds hoping the saphris works. Phillipa
Posted by b2chica on April 29, 2015, at 12:15:53
In reply to Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
Scott. that sounds good.
i was on it for a while. No weight gain, i think i ended up taking it twice a day? can't remember for sure.
i think it worked well for depression.
i only had to stop because i had breakthrough depression/mixed state that it didn't help and i needed to get back on zyprexa.but i thought it was a nice med.
had that bitter cherry (melties) so it didn't make me want to eat even if i did get a little munchy! kinda nice.Good Luck
b2
Posted by SLS on April 29, 2015, at 14:03:16
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by b2chica on April 29, 2015, at 12:15:53
Thanks, guys!
Posted by Tomatheus on April 29, 2015, at 15:01:46
In reply to Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
I'd just like to wish you luck, Scott. I certainly hope that you'll benefit from the addition of Saphris to your regimen.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 15:07:06
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » SLS, posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2015, at 9:50:41
> Scott best of luck to you. Also as a side note did you know that abilify is now a generic. But since you are switching meds hoping the saphris works. Phillipa
Friends,
Look carefully at what I am responding to here. The poster writes,[...best of luck...hoping the Saphris works...].
Is *luck* and *hope of a drug working* what you want for your child if you are reading here to try to make a more informed decision as to drug yourself or your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor?. Do you know that the package literature to many of these drugs states that the drug could worsen depression and cause psychosis and be addictive and cause a list of life-ruining conditions and death by suicide or other systematic failures caused by serotonin syndrome and blood pressure failure along with blood diseases and heart failure and liver and pancreas disease and the inducement of movement disorders that could give one a lifetime of misery and suffering? What good could it do to hope for *luck* from these drugs?
Friends, the drug in question is a knock-off of another drug banned in the U.S. It is what is known as a dibenzo class of nerve agents. The chemist can manipulate the chemicals by various processes to get another drug just like the other drug but with a variation in formulation. This could be done all day in a laboratory by a chemist paid by the drug companies to get a "new" drug. They could say the drug is "different" from the other drug and it may well be in chemical structure, but its end may be the same: addiction, life-ruining conditions and death.
And how many *lucky* people do you see here attempting to be freed from depression have these drugs actually do that? And if so, at what cost? Does it take a mastermind to see what the people posting here are saying as to what the drugs do to them? And after taking them exactly as the psychiatrist tells them to, and they want to stop taking the drug, they could be addicted and think that they have to have another drug to offset the other drug and another drug to offset that drug and on and on and on until they get to where you see them now. Is that what you want for yourself or your child? Could not the drugs have caused what you see here? Thousands of people die each year from these drugs. Many are nerve-agents concocted from a batch of common chemicals derived from crude oil or coal tar. They seize the nerves and that cause a reaction that can be felt. But so could a blow to the head. But the agents can destroy the nerves and this could be un restorable and one could be in permanent disfigurement and brain damaged from these drugs. And is luck going to prevent that?
If you follow the people here that continue to try to find another drug to offset the other drug and on and on and on, you could see them saying something like, "Give us today our daily drug". Is not life more than drugs alone? When will it ever end? When they find their last drug? Or when they die from the drugs?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2015, at 17:03:54
In reply to Lou's response-ardayleebred, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 15:07:06
Lou SLS is not a child. He is quite capable of making his own decisions with out your input
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 17:43:25
In reply to Re: Bye » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2015, at 17:03:54
> Lou SLS is not a child. He is quite capable of making his own decisions with out your input
Friends,
It is written above. But even if Scott is capable of making his own decisions, readers here trying to make a more informed decision could be deceived into thinking that taking all those drugs together could be safe to do and that it is supportive here for others to do the same. That is the issue at hand here, that readers seeing that there is no intervention by Mr. Hsiung or any deputy of record that taking the drugs together could cause death, readers could then think that it is supportive to do what Scott id doing because support takes precedence here.
I would like to have dialog here with the prescriber of all those drugs that are prescribed to Scott. Anna Nicole Smith died from taking a combination of drugs. You see, the effects of taking a combination of these drugs are increased exponentially and the ones that Scott lists as taking could induce serotonin syndrome that could cause death. And as well, thinking could be impaired so that it may not be possible for Scott to make the best decision as to take Saphris or not with all the other drugs that he takes.
The Dr that prescribed the drugs that killed Anna Nicole Smith escaped imprisonment. but there could be other jurisdictions that could hold a doctor liable for Scott's death if he dies from all of these drugs listed by him. For the literature states that they could induce death taken together and the prescriber could know that. I want readers to know that just because Scott has a prescriber for all of these drugs together, that does not mean that the drugs could not kill him or kill a reader that acts on what they see here thinking that it is supportive in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for one to take these drugs together.
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on April 29, 2015, at 21:44:06
In reply to Lou's response-ardayleebred, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 15:07:06
Posted by 10derheart on April 29, 2015, at 22:05:35
In reply to Lou's response-dethbycombo » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 17:43:25
Posted by SLS on April 29, 2015, at 23:26:49
In reply to Re: Bye » Lou Pilder (nm), posted by 10derheart on April 29, 2015, at 22:05:35
Hi, 10der.
My face always lights up whenever I see you posting.
I hope all is well with you.
I was tempted to write a few short paragraphs as a response to the posts of Mr. Pilder. I tend to ignore them, though, and more often don't invest my time to read them at all. Nevertheless, I am glad that there are people who act to challenge him and offer resistance to his proclamations. It is my hope that Mr. Pilder effectively demonstrates to others his level of command of facts and understanding, and the convergence he suggests exists between psychopharmacology and antisemitism.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2015, at 6:01:52
In reply to Lou's warning-death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 9:20:00
> Be advised that many can come here to fool you into taking drugs that could addict you, cause a life-ruining condition and cause you to go into a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others, and even commit mass-murder.
I can second that.
I bought into the Nardil hype and i will never be the same again. Thats a life ruining condition.
Further it has led to an infraction with the law.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
I keep browsing dr-bob and i think most people would be better off not trialing thousands of meds. The chance that they harm you is very real. Just as or even more real than the chance that they help.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2015, at 6:10:11
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-death, posted by Lamdage22 on April 30, 2015, at 6:01:52
> > Be advised that many can come here to fool you into taking drugs that could addict you, cause a life-ruining condition and cause you to go into a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill yourself and/or others, and even commit mass-murder.
And i have taken down my pants infront of alot of people.
Now i walk through town wondering what people remember from my verbal psychotic outbursts and what they might think of me.I have publicly embarassed myself in such a mind-altered state.
Posted by herpills on May 4, 2015, at 12:56:39
In reply to Lou's warning-death » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on April 29, 2015, at 9:20:00
Posted by phidippus on May 7, 2015, at 22:20:29
In reply to Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on April 28, 2015, at 22:31:25
Why?
Eric
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 12:42:41
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » SLS, posted by phidippus on May 7, 2015, at 22:20:29
> Why?
>
> EricI have seen a friend experience an antidepressant effect from asenapine, even though it was prescribed for schizoaffective disorder. Some researcher have speculated that it might have an antidepressant effect based on its pharmacodynamic properties. My doctor said that she liked the drug when I asked about it. I had been significantly improved initially. However, the plan was to use asenapine to replace aripiprazole and prevent weight gain. I have deteriorated since reducing aripiprazole from 10 mg/day to 5 mg/day. I am very disappointed by this.
- Scott
Posted by phidippus on May 8, 2015, at 19:17:01
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » phidippus, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 12:42:41
I thought you did poorly off the Abilify?
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2015, at 19:47:48
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » phidippus, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 12:42:41
Scott so back on the abilify? P
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 20:25:07
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » SLS, posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2015, at 19:47:48
Abilify has been consistently helpful to me in reducing depression. Unfortunately, the weight-gain is not becoming on me. It was my hope to be able to substitute for Abilify using Saphris. For now, I guess it makes sense to explore Saphris to determine its optimal effects before attempting to once again taper the Abilify. I get the feeling that I will need both drugs. Saphris seems to be rather benign, so I have no problem taking it, even when combined with Parnate and Abilify. It is a shame that I would have to take Abilify only for its DA partial agonist activity. However, this is preferable to not responding at all.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on May 8, 2015, at 20:31:04
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 20:25:07
I would guess you have no choice at this point. Sorry the Saphris Didn't pan out at least so far.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 8:42:55
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression, posted by SLS on May 8, 2015, at 20:25:07
> Abilify has been consistently helpful to me in reducing depression. Unfortunately, the weight-gain is not becoming on me. It was my hope to be able to substitute for Abilify using Saphris. For now, I guess it makes sense to explore Saphris to determine its optimal effects before attempting to once again taper the Abilify. I get the feeling that I will need both drugs. Saphris seems to be rather benign, so I have no problem taking it, even when combined with Parnate and Abilify. It is a shame that I would have to take Abilify only for its DA partial agonist activity. However, this is preferable to not responding at all.
>
>
> - ScottFriends, It is written her,[..Pranate, Saphris and Abilify} as to the drugs being taken in combination by the poster.
Be advised, that when these psychoactive drugs are combined, the adverse effects can be increased exponentially. These effects involving the three drugs are:
[confusion, drowsiness, memory impairment, difficulty concentrating, impairment of thinking and judgment, rapid heart beat and other systematic effects from the chemicals in the drugs].
So even if taking these three drugs together could give the person a lift for a time, I ask you to ask yourself at what cost? And could not the life be from the placebo effect? And could there not be a better way?
The aspects of the consequences from taking the three drugs together could cause death, death by accident from confusion and impairment of thinking. I do not advise anyone to drive a car under these drugs, or go to a subway or near a high cliff.
And you mothers, would you want your child to look as they are a zombie with a look of lifelessness from the drowsiness and confusion as just one of the things the drugs could do to your child if you allowed a psychiatrist to drug your child with these drugs?
I ask readers to step back and look at what is being allowed to be promoted here as "being supportive". You may think that because what the poster writes here is standing with impunity by the owner here, that taking all those drugs together is supportive. And I could see how you could think that, for being supportive takes precedence here according to the owner.
Lou
Posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 13:38:14
In reply to Lou's warning-beengpsupoartiv » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 8:42:55
Lou,
One thing that I can say about getting treatment for bipolar depression or any serious mental health condition is that it involves making some difficult choices. Many of us on this board make such choices about our treatment on an ongoing basis, and I think that some of our experiences have taught us that the choices we make involve a lot of risk and should not be made without careful consideration. And choosing between the consequences of having an untreated or inadequately treated mental health condition and the possible consequences that certain treatments could bring is indeed difficult. I do think that being supportive can involve offering constructive criticism to members here and/or information about the negative consequences of taking a given treatment action. But at the same time, I think that it's important to recognize that the treatment choices we make are difficult ones and to show some measure of respect for the choices that others make on these forums. Given, among other things, the fact that you stated in this most recent post that something is being "promoted" when the person who started this thread was, in my eyes, merely sharing some details of his treatment, I don't see you showing the same level of respect for the members here at Psycho-Babble that most of us show for one another. Now, I'm not saying that everybody here on Psycho-Babble ought to always agree with one another or that we should refrain from offering constructive criticism to one another, but I do think that all of us here, including you, deserve to be respected.
Tomatheus
Posted by SLS on May 9, 2015, at 21:15:45
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 13:38:14
This is a wonderful post. Thank you for your support and the empathy you demonstrate for the suffering of others and the difficult decisions that they must make.
- Scott===============================================
> Lou,
>
> One thing that I can say about getting treatment for bipolar depression or any serious mental health condition is that it involves making some difficult choices. Many of us on this board make such choices about our treatment on an ongoing basis, and I think that some of our experiences have taught us that the choices we make involve a lot of risk and should not be made without careful consideration. And choosing between the consequences of having an untreated or inadequately treated mental health condition and the possible consequences that certain treatments could bring is indeed difficult. I do think that being supportive can involve offering constructive criticism to members here and/or information about the negative consequences of taking a given treatment action. But at the same time, I think that it's important to recognize that the treatment choices we make are difficult ones and to show some measure of respect for the choices that others make on these forums. Given, among other things, the fact that you stated in this most recent post that something is being "promoted" when the person who started this thread was, in my eyes, merely sharing some details of his treatment, I don't see you showing the same level of respect for the members here at Psycho-Babble that most of us show for one another. Now, I'm not saying that everybody here on Psycho-Babble ought to always agree with one another or that we should refrain from offering constructive criticism to one another, but I do think that all of us here, including you, deserve to be respected.
>
> Tomatheus
Posted by 10derheart on May 9, 2015, at 21:27:33
In reply to Lou's warning-beengpsupoartiv » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 8:42:55
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