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Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2014, at 12:17:02
What does it mean if you have taken very low doses of benzos for 44 years and then for about 12 years low doses of SSRI's at the same time your thyroid became hasimotos. You used to feel good. And you take all the meds at night but after the synthroid at about 4am when you wake and go back to sleep you wake in the morning and feel horrible. What do you feel is causing this. How can one emotionally feel great when the lights are turned off and wake feeling so negative and like you are going to die. I have been looking for reasons and asked docs questions and all say I'm fine. I know I do not feel fine. Any ideas? Thanks
Posted by herpills on October 1, 2014, at 13:26:25
In reply to 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI?, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2014, at 12:17:02
> What does it mean if you have taken very low doses of benzos for 44 years and then for about 12 years low doses of SSRI's at the same time your thyroid became hasimotos. You used to feel good. And you take all the meds at night but after the synthroid at about 4am when you wake and go back to sleep you wake in the morning and feel horrible. What do you feel is causing this. How can one emotionally feel great when the lights are turned off and wake feeling so negative and like you are going to die. I have been looking for reasons and asked docs questions and all say I'm fine. I know I do not feel fine. Any ideas? Thanks
If you aren't feeling well it seems like you would want to try something different? Either higher doses of what you're already taking, or try something new? If current doc is not helping, maybe a second opinion? I know if I woke up in the middle of the night every night I would want to try and fix that right away. I always feel better when my sleep is properly regulated. I don't know much about Hashimoto's. Do you take a selenium supplement?
Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2014, at 17:00:29
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI? » Phillipa, posted by herpills on October 1, 2014, at 13:26:25
Sythroid for thyroid. See endo for that. It worries me that studies are saying that long term benzo use can also cause Alzheimers or Parkinsons Disease. I've not slept fully through the night since menopause? P
Posted by Twinleaf on October 1, 2014, at 20:29:44
In reply to 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI?, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2014, at 12:17:02
Phillipa, while I know you have some physical problems, I don't think you have any serious physical or emotional illnesses which would prevent you from living a long, rewarding life. From what you have written here from time to time, it seems as though you may have a marital situation which prevents you from feeling safe and valued. If this is the case, could you try to find a support group, the way ClearSkies has, to help you feel more secure? I know you don't like the idea of psychotherapy, but a group might be a better fit. It just seems like the emotional support you deserve is lacking.
Posted by Twinleaf on October 2, 2014, at 23:04:33
In reply to 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI?, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2014, at 12:17:02
Why post a concern about your health, asking for (hopefully) helpful suggestions, and then ignore a caring response? There is, of course, no pressure to agree with any responses which don't seem right to you, but to just ignore another's effort to respond seems somewhat rude and hurtful. A simple "thanks but that's not the problem" would seem so much warmer and more appreciative.
You have actually concerned some of us with your previous descriptions of your marital situation. It's hard to ignore the likely traumatic impact of what you have described.
Posted by Phillipa on October 3, 2014, at 0:00:54
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI?, posted by Twinleaf on October 2, 2014, at 23:04:33
Lost electricity till a while ago car accident some girl texting while driving hit an electrical pole. Hence haven't been on here since did last ebay posting last night. Sorry not ignoring you. Tired and hitting the sack. P
Posted by Twinleaf on October 4, 2014, at 11:54:22
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI? » Twinleaf, posted by Phillipa on October 3, 2014, at 0:00:54
Phillipa, you have still not answered either my concern or suggestion! Remember, I would not mention either one if you had not repeatedly expressed concern for yourself . You have described interpersonal traumas, both as a child and as an adult. These can be helped, definitely, by intelligent medication choices, but in addition, interpersonal traumas require some form of interpersonal help to truly improve - this can be interpersonal therapy, group, CBT, DBT or something which involves other human beings. Can you point to a single poster here on Babble who has really gotten better without some type of interpersonal help, in addition to good medication choices?
You are an experienced, successful psychiatric nurse, whom I would expect to see leading the way in advocating therapy as part of a total treatment program. Why so negative and avoidant a reaction to any mention of it?
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 14, 2014, at 18:59:23
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI? » Phillipa, posted by Twinleaf on October 4, 2014, at 11:54:22
> to just ignore another's effort to respond seems somewhat rude and hurtful.
> you have still not answered either my concern or suggestion!
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Or pressure them.
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Phil on October 14, 2014, at 19:22:56
In reply to 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI?, posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2014, at 12:17:02
Philippa, if you tell a doctor that you feel like you're going to die and the doctor says, no, you're fine, then there are serious communication issues. Is this your PCP or just other doctors that you know from working with them? Sorry, haven't read the thread.
Posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2014, at 19:57:51
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI? » Phillipa, posted by Phil on October 14, 2014, at 19:22:56
pdoc. Phillipa
Posted by Phil on October 16, 2014, at 18:19:48
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI? » Phil, posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2014, at 19:57:51
Find another one.
Posted by Phillipa on October 16, 2014, at 20:35:56
In reply to Re: 44 years low dose benzos + 12 years low dose SSRI? » Phil, posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2014, at 19:57:51
Believe it or not none that take medicaire other than a forensic one. I don't think I need him. Phillipa
Posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 6:58:30
In reply to Re: please be civil » Twinleaf, posted by Dr. Bob on October 14, 2014, at 18:59:23
I stand by what I wrote to Phillipa. Every one of my words was written out of concern for what she herself had written previously. You cannot have posters writing about themselves here in ways that genuinely worry other posters without the others expressing strong concern. I am not uncivil in any way, but, when it comes to you, Bob, I can count on you misunderstanding me in a negative way every single time. You have been doing it for years now, to the point where I have become completely indifferent to anything you say to me. But I still do have caring responses to posters like Phillipa when they express extreme distress.
Posted by SLS on October 22, 2014, at 8:24:38
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 6:58:30
> I stand by what I wrote to Phillipa. Every one of my words was written out of concern for what she herself had written previously. You cannot have posters writing about themselves here in ways that genuinely worry other posters without the others expressing strong concern. I am not uncivil in any way, but, when it comes to you, Bob, I can count on you misunderstanding me in a negative way every single time. You have been doing it for years now, to the point where I have become completely indifferent to anything you say to me. But I still do have caring responses to posters like Phillipa when they express extreme distress.
Twinleaf,
I don't judge your posts addressing individual members of the community members as being uncivil in spirit. Not at all. I am more inclined to judge those posts of yours that motivate commentary and sanction by this website's moderator/owner as being enlightening and promoting mental health rather than sabotaging it. If your words toward a fellow poster are "strong", I see it as an example of "tough love" (for lack of a better term).
The only posting behavior that you might deem counterproductive at some point is your banter with Dr. Bob. "Technically", your verbiage towards him qualifies as being uncivil. If it is more important to you that you interact with rest of the community, you might find it necessary to tolerate Dr. Bob's behaviors and, perhaps, ignore them altogether.
I get really scared when you are blocked from posting here. My greatest fear is that you won't return. In my mind, you are among the 5 most important contributors to the PB community.
I really like you.
- Scott
Posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 19:05:05
In reply to Re: please be uncivil? Tough love? Maybe? » Twinleaf, posted by SLS on October 22, 2014, at 8:24:38
Thank you Scott.
I feel that Bob has repeatedly put me in a difficult position by singling me out for sanctions for very minor things, and, often, things which I feel he has interpreted incorrectly - and which he does not sanction in other posters. If I say nothing, I feel that I am tacitly agreeing that it's OK to treat me with a special degree of negativity and harshness. It just isn't.
Posted by Phillipa on October 22, 2014, at 19:58:06
In reply to Re: please be uncivil? Tough love? Maybe? » SLS, posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 19:05:05
For what it is worth I can take care of myself as have done it all my life. And will continue to do so. So don't worry about me . Save it for someone who doesn't mind spending gadzillions of money on different docs and therapists. I will refrain from posting about myself and concentrate if post on posting links. Which you can or chose not to read. Thank you P
Posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 20:39:13
In reply to Re: please be uncivil? Tough love? Maybe? » Twinleaf, posted by Phillipa on October 22, 2014, at 19:58:06
That will solve the problem perfectly - if you don't want any expressions of caring or concern from other posters , just avoid postings which indicate personal distress and an (apparent) desire for understanding, support or mention of choices which others have found helpful. Then you can be certain that no-one will unintentionally upset you by offering any.
Posted by Phillipa on October 22, 2014, at 20:47:38
In reply to Solving this problem... » Phillipa, posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 20:39:13
Why would you feel I am upset? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2014, at 23:40:23
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Twinleaf on October 22, 2014, at 6:58:30
> Every one of my words was written out of concern
> That will solve the problem perfectly ... Then you can be certain that no-one will unintentionally upset you
To express concern, and to reduce the risk that you will unintentionally upset others, I suggest I-statements. Tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> I can count on you misunderstanding me in a negative way every single time.
Please don't post anything that could lead others (including me) to feel accused.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: This block is the result of one action, but its length is the result of a pattern of actions. The block length formula:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
takes into account how long the previous block was, how long it's been since the previous block, and how uncivil the current post is:
duration of previous block = 2 weeks
period of time since previous block = 40 weeks
severity = 2 (default)
block length = 1.95 rounded = 2 weeks
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