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Posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2014, at 11:51:18
Seems that I can't think of any meds that are considered safe now since the bezo release. Motrin is bad, Tylenol bad, SSRI's & SNRI's Bad. Maoi's bad. Antipsychotic bad. Cholesterol meds bad. So are there any considered safe or should all be using alternative, Chinese herbs and accupuncture and the Like? Seriously. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Hello123 on September 11, 2014, at 14:36:02
In reply to Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2014, at 11:51:18
As we all know, our knowledge of the brain and how it works is still very incomplete. and Drug Company knowledge on how to treat mental illnesses is even more incomplete. i believe we are still completely in the amateur stages with the chemicals that are put together in a lab that alter how the brain works. From all the experiences I've read that people have had with them, id say it would make more sense to refer to them as "Sexual Desire Inhibitors" than Antidepressants. since it looks like thats what they're more likely to do than relieve someone of their Depression.
Yes, these meds have helped many people. but they've also harmed many peoole. hopefully they've helped more people than they've harmed. but the worst thing is that the people who have suffered the worst harm are ignored. I guess Drug Company propaganda sounds so much better.
But, are these medications safe for the general public? One thing we all should all take into account is that one thing that has been 100% proven is that psychiatric meds do indeed cause a chemical imbalance in the brain. hopefully in the future we will be able to identify the exact problem area in someone's brain, and fix it. but right now its just a guessing game that doctors play with someone's brain.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 11, 2014, at 16:57:22
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Hello123 on September 11, 2014, at 14:36:02
yea....i think nuerontin is safe med....
then of course asprin for pain.....which is ancient to medical use lol
Posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2014, at 17:42:31
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by rjlockhart37 on September 11, 2014, at 16:57:22
Onward to physicians hypocratic Oath "Do no Harm". As also seems that meds to Lower cholesterol, diabetics, High blood pressure, osteoporosis, antibiotics the list goes on. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 12, 2014, at 13:33:51
In reply to Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2014, at 11:51:18
> Seems that I can't think of any meds that are considered safe now since the bezo release. Motrin is bad, Tylenol bad, SSRI's & SNRI's Bad. Maoi's bad. Antipsychotic bad. Cholesterol meds bad. So are there any considered safe or should all be using alternative, Chinese herbs and accupuncture and the Like? Seriously. Thanks Phillipa
All drugs can cause adverse reactions - none are entirely free from side effects. It's a matter of balancing the benefits against the risks for individual patients.
Posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2014, at 17:37:31
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now? » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 12, 2014, at 13:33:51
Ed I so agree. Thanks for your reply PJ
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 12, 2014, at 19:20:35
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Hello123 on September 11, 2014, at 14:36:02
Right now, anytime you chemically alter your brain, you're inducing an unusual state that may or may not help with "mental illness" and/or behavioral problems.Sometimes, the right med(s) work like charm, at least for a time. Sometimes, meds are a disaster. As best I understand it, meds are ideally best used in cases of severe distress, while milder problems can be dealt with from any number of angles. That's not how things often go, though, particularly in the US...
Posted by Beckett on September 12, 2014, at 20:20:15
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 12, 2014, at 19:20:35
Are ssri's unsafe?
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 12, 2014, at 20:46:15
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Beckett on September 12, 2014, at 20:20:15
I mean...they can induce akathisia, suicidality, flatten emotions, cause withdrawal, dampen your sexuality, induce psychosis and/or mania, and cause hypofrontality in high doses.
Posted by Zyprexa on September 12, 2014, at 23:03:10
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now? » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 12, 2014, at 13:33:51
How about thyroid meds? I've never heard anything bad about them.
Posted by Phil on September 13, 2014, at 14:09:33
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Zyprexa on September 12, 2014, at 23:03:10
One of the most dangerous substances in America is the food we eat. That's why most Americas are walking blobs of fat. Thank you Zyprexa and Seroquel!
How about some fish from the Gulf of Mexico? Most of it is OK, but which isn't?
We should be concerned about any meds but how about a bag of spinach?
Nsaids are dangerous as hell but people pop them like jellybeans. When I was diagnosed with Barrett's Esophagus and GERD, that I never felt, the first 2 questions they asked me were do you smoke? Do you take nsaids? Read the side effects on ibuprophen. I posted them on a non-med site and someone said bs, prove it. So I did.
Posted by Beckett on September 13, 2014, at 14:18:50
In reply to Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2014, at 11:51:18
Hi P,
Chinese herbs and acupuncture are pretty effective. Thinking about it, you might be a good candidate. Acupuncture is excellent for pain. It doesn't do it all for me, though my poor acupuncturist tried.
Since you are sensitive to medications, you might give it a go. Depending on what one desires to treat, relief can be seen after one session, or it may take more time.
Posted by Beckett on September 13, 2014, at 14:28:11
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 12, 2014, at 20:46:15
> I mean...they can induce akathisia, suicidality, flatten emotions, cause withdrawal, dampen your sexuality, induce psychosis and/or mania, and cause hypofrontality in high doses.
>
>Hi C_e,
What is hypofrontiality? Akathisia can be like a skin crawling feeling? If so, that went away after a day or two for me. Ssri's have their sides, it's true. As far as flattening, I remember that most vividly on snri's. Right now, an ssri has squelched unbearable, obsessive thinking, and I finally realize (doh!) this is (likely) a lifelong treatment. Which is why I am wondering about serious long term effects.
Posted by Phillipa on September 13, 2014, at 20:20:36
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Phil on September 13, 2014, at 14:09:33
Tell me about the Nsaid's. They now carry all kinds of warning. Bleeding heart disease. I still say none are safe. Phillipa
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2014, at 11:02:38
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now? » Christ_empowered, posted by Beckett on September 13, 2014, at 14:28:11
hey, beckett....
I didn't mean to scare you, lol. I'm not anti-meds, just...too many people are on too many meds, you know? Right.
Anyway, "hypofrontality" just means that high dose SRI drugs can dampen frontal lobe activity to the point that its sort of like a lobotomy. Then again...tranquilizers often do the same thing. Oh well.
What SSRI are you on? I read in this book on psychotic depression that Luvox is apparently "safer" than other ADs. Something about a lower risk of causing cancer (?). But that's just one author. Luvox is often used for OCD and may help psychotic depression more than other SRI drugs.
The flattening can be countered. Wellbutrin, stimulants (if appropriate...). I seem to recall reading about adding Remeron and that helping, but I dunno. I would imagine some supplements might help, but I'm no expert in all that.
Good luck to you!
Posted by Beckett on September 14, 2014, at 15:10:43
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2014, at 11:02:38
You didn't scare me at all, really. I was interested in what you or anyone may know about true long term effects. I take Lexapro. I call it an old workhorse because it's been around and is widely prescribed. He offered Brintellix and that new metabolite from Savella. I just did not want to experiment.
So you can tell me whatever info you know, and you'll find a welcome ear!:)
How are things with you?
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2014, at 16:49:55
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2014, at 11:02:38
> Luvox is often used for OCD and may help psychotic depression more than other SRI drugs
You are right. Luvox (fluvoxamine) has been shown to be the SSRI most likely to be effective when treating psychotic depression. It is thought that the ability of Luvox to stimulate sigma-1 receptors is what is responsible for this. No other SSRI has this property.
Luvox might help to reduce the severity of akathisia via sigma-1 receptor agonism. Interestingly, Zoloft (sertraline) is a sigma-1 receptor antagonist - more so than the other SSRIs. My guess is that this property explains why Zoloft is so apt to cause akathisia.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2014, at 17:03:50
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2014, at 11:02:38
I'm doing well. No ADs right now, thank goodness. Don't get me wrong; they're a godsend if you need them, but...I'm already on 30 Abilify. The high dose atypical+antidepressant=apathy all too often.
I'm glad Lexapro is working for you, Beckett. A lot of people find relief with that and/or celexa.
Posted by Phillipa on September 14, 2014, at 18:08:41
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now? » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on September 14, 2014, at 16:49:55
I didn''t know this. Didn't Lar once say that luvox caused psychosis in him? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2014, at 19:55:27
In reply to Re: Any Med That Are Safe Now? » SLS, posted by Phillipa on September 14, 2014, at 18:08:41
> I didn''t know this. Didn't Lar once say that luvox caused psychosis in him? Phillipa
I don't recall.
- Scott
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