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Posted by Zyprexa on August 14, 2013, at 23:05:10
I've been switching between zyprexa and generic olanzapine. When I went to generic teva and the next day I found myself getting very almost uncontrolable anger. The same thing happened the last time I was on teva, at 10mg I wanted to go mad and trash the house, and I couldn't get it out of my head. Luckly I didn't. I had lots of ups and downs. Then I went up to 15mg teva and it went away. So month later I wanted to use up the last of my brand pills and for 3 weeks I was doing great, not emotional at all. Very analytical positive straight thought. Did exceptionaly well at work, started getting bigger tips. So I went back on teva. Suddenly I was at work pissed about everything that went wrong in my life. couldn't control the anger. People could tell I'm sure. I was just banging around dishes, yelling in my car just furious, thought I would not get over it. I had many sad, heated and paranoid conversations with people a lot. Started to talk a lot, where on brand I didn't need to talk so much, just do business.
I don't feel psychotic or anything just can't control how I feel. on this generic.
It seems to be petering out now. But I'm much more talkative and emotionaly connected. What should I think about this?
Do I try the other generic again? The last time I was on it I was on 10mg and it was fresh. I remember thinking it was better than the teva. but I stoped it and finished off teva. When I went back on the aurobindo it gave me a dark gloomy out look on the world, kind of scary. So I went back on teva. Been taking teva and zyprexa off and on the whole time since and did well. But now I'm almost out of brand and back on teva at 15mg now since a couple of months. My other question is does olanzapine go bad quickly? And should I try the aurobindo again at a fresh and 15mg pill. Or should I stick with teva? I can't afford the brand at $1000/month and my insurance does not cover it at all!
sincerily
Zyprexa
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2013, at 9:48:38
In reply to More emotional - olanzapine, posted by Zyprexa on August 14, 2013, at 23:05:10
I'm sorry things are not going well. I'm also surprised that the name brand is so expensive. No wonder patients stop taking their meds especially if their med is brand name only. So the Teva was the one that worked before. What does your pdoc suggest? I've missed talking with you. Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on August 15, 2013, at 11:38:24
In reply to Re: More emotional - olanzapine » Zyprexa, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2013, at 9:48:38
I go to see my Pdoc next week. I'm taking tiva right now. Think I might be getting adjusted to it slowly. Most of the last 2 years I've been taking tiva.
Posted by b2chica on August 15, 2013, at 12:53:39
In reply to Re: More emotional - olanzapine, posted by Zyprexa on August 15, 2013, at 11:38:24
Hey Z.
well let me tell you what i think of Teva....#*$(*#%*(%&*($&%
i've tried Teva brand generic of about 3 or 4 other meds. ALL causing me Bad side effects.
I'm very glad if it works for some. but it seems there are some fillers or binders or what not they use that is just not compatable with my body.
when i was using teva olanzapine i actually got very paranoid, started hallucinating AND had crazy anger. I finally used some of my brand name and within 24 hours was already better. got new script of aurobindo. its ok. i dont think it quite has the power of the brand. but i at least dont get terrible side effects.im sorry you didnt have much luck with aurobindo...do you know are there other generic mfg for olanzapine? maybe call around and give them a try.
i must add that with the aurobindo brand, i didnt notice quite the 'lift' that i got with the brand. So i do sort of relate to your 'gloom' mood.
but it at least took me out of 'Freaking-out and gonna run through a window' stage. i dont think i was quite a clear headed either as i was on namebrand.ugh. if ONLY they could get things just the same.... :(
why did zyprexa have to have their patent run out. Probably good for some, but for me at the time had insurance only had to pay $31 for one month of brand zyprexa. i should have stocked up while i had the chance.....oh well... hind-site. right.
Best Best wishes Z
-b2c.
Posted by orbital on August 15, 2013, at 14:18:58
In reply to More emotional - olanzapine, posted by Zyprexa on August 14, 2013, at 23:05:10
The active ingredient in generics is technically allowed to vary between 20% percent less and 25% more than its brandame equivalent. It's not really supposed to happen but you know how it goes.
IME I sometimes find that I need to take quite a bit more of a generic to achieve the same effect that I receive from the drug's brand name counterpart. This only applies to meds with uncomplicated delivery mechanisms. With olanzapine I basically had to double my dose of .. Teva I think?.. to get the same effects as with Zyprexa. Another one that comes to mind is generic citalopram, I simply had to up my dose.
I've had terrible experiences with stuff with complicated pills such as Teva's version of Wellbutrin XL which I think eventually was recalled and withdrawn?... Brandname Wellby XL was smooth as silk.
I do find brand name to be more effective than generics, but some are prohibitely expensive. Like B2 said maybe it,s due to the fillers and such.
In your case I think I'd just go with the generic you trust and adjust my dose "by feel" until i get the bioequivalence and effect right, keeping in mind that say 20mg of Teva olanzapine is (most likely) not equivalent to zyprexa 20.
Hope this helps!
> I've been switching between zyprexa and generic olanzapine. When I went to generic teva and the next day I found myself getting very almost uncontrolable anger. The same thing happened the last time I was on teva, at 10mg I wanted to go mad and trash the house, and I couldn't get it out of my head. Luckly I didn't. I had lots of ups and downs. Then I went up to 15mg teva and it went away. So month later I wanted to use up the last of my brand pills and for 3 weeks I was doing great, not emotional at all. Very analytical positive straight thought. Did exceptionaly well at work, started getting bigger tips. So I went back on teva. Suddenly I was at work pissed about everything that went wrong in my life. couldn't control the anger. People could tell I'm sure. I was just banging around dishes, yelling in my car just furious, thought I would not get over it. I had many sad, heated and paranoid conversations with people a lot. Started to talk a lot, where on brand I didn't need to talk so much, just do business.
>
> I don't feel psychotic or anything just can't control how I feel. on this generic.
>
> It seems to be petering out now. But I'm much more talkative and emotionaly connected. What should I think about this?
>
> Do I try the other generic again? The last time I was on it I was on 10mg and it was fresh. I remember thinking it was better than the teva. but I stoped it and finished off teva. When I went back on the aurobindo it gave me a dark gloomy out look on the world, kind of scary. So I went back on teva. Been taking teva and zyprexa off and on the whole time since and did well. But now I'm almost out of brand and back on teva at 15mg now since a couple of months. My other question is does olanzapine go bad quickly? And should I try the aurobindo again at a fresh and 15mg pill. Or should I stick with teva? I can't afford the brand at $1000/month and my insurance does not cover it at all!
>
> sincerily
> Zyprexa
Posted by bleauberry on August 21, 2013, at 17:09:12
In reply to More emotional - olanzapine, posted by Zyprexa on August 14, 2013, at 23:05:10
I think it really is a shame, and speaks poorly of our scientists and politicians, that such a wide gap can exist between some generics versus brands. And sometimes vica versa. And they have the gall to call them equivalent, the whole while ignoring the mounting reports of stories like yours.
Their explanation?....it's all in your head, placebo, ya know.Anyway, for anyone who has paid attention over the last 10 years or so, yes, there can be remarkable differences between generic versus brand.
Posted by Zyprexa on September 11, 2013, at 23:26:48
In reply to Re: More emotional - olanzapine, posted by bleauberry on August 21, 2013, at 17:09:12
Feeling much better now. Just needed to get some stuff off my chest. For some reason the generic brought all that up.
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