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Posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 5:30:13
Hi Folks,
so they want me to try 600mg of Seroquel for two weeks. I already feel stupid, perform badly at concentration therapy, i am moody, lethargic and i gained 7 pounds in less than a week.
I do not expect to be able to reason with the Pdoc as if it was a reasonable person.
I do not know exactly what to do, but i do want to defend myself against feeling miserable.. in the most "diplomatic" way possible.I know it makes me feel like sh*t and i dont want to "get used to feeling like sh*t", so i want to take 400mg at best. Actually just 300.
So if i come to find out they make a Seroquel blood level test, which they will... I can store some Seroquel that i dont take in the evening and take it right before the blood test.
How much should i take before the blood test to make it look like i actually took the 600mg on a daily basis? And how can i discreetly look out for when the blood test is coming?
Its a shame this kind of strategy is necessary, but right now i see no other way to fend off this stupidity of making me miserable to see "if it helps". Tell you what, it wont. Only thing that made me agitated was overdose of NAC. I was FINE on 200mg Seroquel. It makes no sense. Please help me defend myself against what i call torture for the lack of a softer word.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 5:59:29
In reply to Please help me 'pass' a Seroquel blood test, posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 5:30:13
Seriously... i mess up the order of sentences.. i think about a word and then i say it too early in the sentence.
WTF. Im anxious i will be permanently stupified. Isnt it the case that APs reduce grey matter?
My god.. every other doctor.. its like cortisone.. as much as needed but as little as possible. My doctor doesnt follow this at all.
Please advise!
Posted by SLS on July 31, 2013, at 6:15:38
In reply to Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel, posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 5:59:29
> Please advise!
Relax.
Allow a few days for the cognitive side effects to dissipate. It is not unusual to feel a little weird when raising the dosage of some drugs. 400 mg/day of Seroquel really is at the low end of the dose range for schizoid disorders. I think you should wait a week before making any changes.
If you had the opportunity to be your own doctor, what drugs would you treat yourself with?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on July 31, 2013, at 7:20:08
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on July 31, 2013, at 6:15:38
hey Lamdage
if the pdoc isnt listening to you, i recommend you go for a another good one asap : )
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:35:20
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel, posted by Jeroen on July 31, 2013, at 7:20:08
No, its ok, she listens and she tries. I am unsure how much to trust her.. she seems to want to get my trust and try.. so id feel bad not to trust her. Shes a woman though where you do not want to get on her bad side. Lol
She also said, if this Seroquel dosage has more disadvantages than advantages, shell discontinue.
If i was my own doctor, id treat myself with 350mg Seroquel and 30 or 40 mg of Parnate perhaps. then 1500mg Metformin XR.
The recommended dosage of Lithium Orotate. 600mgs of NAC and perhaps another 1 or 2 of the amino-acids good for schizoid disorders ie. the negative symptoms of schizophrenia.
Then, i would take Morphine once a month to follow through with waxing, because i HATE body hair in "those" places and this procedure hurts like sh*t.... id take some herbs to spice up my sex life, too.. i already do and its safe.
Idk, everything i would try because i dont know what would happen. I sure want to be counceled and guided in what i do, so im willing to trust her more and tell her more. Im sure she has no problem with Lithium Orotate.
But the Metformin, my Body... i wont take any chances.. i will do the Metformin on my own. You know, she says shes the last who is not willing to try alternative treatments if im not improved enough. At the same time i have seen her do ECT in that case. Im sure she wouldnt do that with me but anyway.
I will tell her about the Lithium Orotate and Amino-Acid plans. But i wont tell about Damiana, about the ED herbs.. and about the Metformin. Shes trying to do a good job and i hope we will succeed despite the fact that there is limited trust.
The way she spoke to me today, i wanted to trust her and tell her. But im careful. Maybe at some point i have to tell her.
Idk.. i just know im about to get better, im about to get alot of the help i need.. i have good reasonable plans. Im just terribly afraid to screw up. If i did and could trust her more, that would give me peace of mind. But im careful to completely put my fate into the hands of another. Im sure you understand.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:39:53
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel, posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:35:20
Lets put it like this. I will tell her everything i do that has an impact on mood or mental health.
I will take the Seroquel for the blood test. After that i will talk to her and see what i/we do with it. She said she wouldnt do it if the losses outweighed the benefits. But shes talking about two weeks to evaluate :( Thats what sucks to me. And i find 600mgs an overkill. This was a reaction to a problem i have caused with an overly high Acetylcysteine dosage.
Im thinking to give up some of the Parnate to avoid this Seroquel trial.
So you think 600mg for two weeks wont do me any permanent harm? She says no. I am wary.
Posted by SLS on July 31, 2013, at 8:40:14
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel, posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:35:20
> If i was my own doctor, id treat myself with 350mg Seroquel and 30 or 40 mg of Parnate perhaps. then 1500mg Metformin XR.
In my experience, 40 mg/day is the minimum amount of Parnate that will produce results. I had been taking 80 mg/day.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 31, 2013, at 8:43:09
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel, posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:39:53
> So you think 600mg for two weeks wont do me any permanent harm? She says no. I am wary.
How would Seroquel hurt you?
What symptoms are you trying to control with Seroquel?
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:51:58
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on July 31, 2013, at 8:43:09
> > So you think 600mg for two weeks wont do me any permanent harm? She says no. I am wary.
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> How would Seroquel hurt you?
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> What symptoms are you trying to control with Seroquel?
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> - ScottWell im not trying to control any symptoms with that. My doctor tries to control what happened because of Acetylcysteine. No mania or psychosis at all. But something that looked like it could proceed to mania or psychosis. This was also upon discontinuation of Effexor.
And they want to avoid Jatrosom from causing unwanted effects with the high dose of Seroquel.
Well, i needed 200 to control psychosis without Parnate. So im sure 400 would be fine to control it with Parnate. I think my doctor should chill, not me. Im in hospital. Its no biggie if the Parnate makes me a little unstable, it can be fixed with Seroquel or Benzos AFTER it happened, so that way its safe to say that the Seroquel was really needed.
The way the dr does it now, we will never know if i couldnt get along with a lower Seroquel dose.
Thats it what pisses me off. But what i try to accomplish is to get a high enough Parnate dosage. Without putting "the moves" on that doctor TOO much. Lol I hear their concern, i just wanna try. If it wont work out, then obviously i stop it.
Posted by Phillipa on July 31, 2013, at 9:37:25
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel, posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 8:51:58
Lamadge at one time didn't you have a diagnosis of either bipolar or schizophrenia? I remember when you were in the USA? I of course could be very mistaken. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 31, 2013, at 10:31:56
In reply to Re: Im anxious to be permanently stupified by Seroquel » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on July 31, 2013, at 9:37:25
Yeah, i had both.
Doesnt mean they are accurate. Even if they both are, the presence of both would just translate into Schizo-affective anyway. There is little doubt in my mind that thats my diagnosis.
Even if it was Schizophrenia with humongous negative symptoms.. whats the difference anyway? I stand the best chance of getting the right help with schizo-affective diagnosis. No other diagnosis i have ever gotten had so many agreeing professionals. I also have seasonal affective disorder, mild social anxiety and mild inattentive Add.
Im thinking about presenting some Metformin studies to my doctor. Preferably of reputable medical papers. I judge my conversation with her today to be basically along the lines of "come on trust me already, ill help you!".
Thats how it came across.
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