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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 0:25:10
I think if my anxiety isnt massively improved at my next doctors visit ( 4.5 weeks from now) I'm going to ask (push?) to change from alprazolam to clonazepam - its more potent, so I might get a bit more releif, and the much longer half life and slower onset can only be a good thing.
Just hope my GP is willing - clonazepam is only approved for epilepsy in Australia, not anxiety or panic...... anyway, he was pretty good about Nardil, so we'll see
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 0:32:29
In reply to Benzos, posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 0:25:10
Of course, the ideal would be that Nardil works amazingly well, and I end up only needing an occasional Xanax prn
I'm feeling pretty bad atm - one thing that I am glad of is that I made sure my private medical cover (Australia has a national health scheme, but i have kept private insurance as well) will cover me for treatment in an upscale private hospital, an Aussie version of the Menninger Clinic....... if I end up going inside, i need one of you to be the big chief to my McMurphy!
Posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2013, at 9:32:48
In reply to Re: Benzos, posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 0:32:29
Jono didn't know Australia also had private health insurance. How does this work with a National Health insurance? I guess you know what's happening here with insurances.
Seems that over the years I've seen pdocs that they always preferred klonopin over the other benzos. Thought it less addicting but I don't know why?
You are still working? What would cause you to feel you might need inpatient? Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 21:37:23
In reply to Re: Benzos » jono_in_adelaide, posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2013, at 9:32:48
Hi Phillipa - yes, we have private insurance here, its mainly used to give cover fr minor but annoying conditions where the national health scheme has waiting lists, serious illnesses such as cancrand heart disease are always treated in the big state hspitals affiliated to university medical schools, but if you need your tonsils out or an arthroscopy on your knee or something like that, going private can be quicker. My anxiey/panic has been realy bad of late, and I don't know what to do, Nardil seems to be the last resort, after that, I think all I have left is inpatien treatment
Don't get too down on Obamas medical shceme - Australias public health system deliveres better outcomes than the American health system (longer life expectancy for example) while only spending about 2/3 of what the US does, by using evidence based medicine and buying services and drugs in bulk - a national health scheme doesn't have to be the end of good medicine, infact it can be quite the opposite. Canada has had national health insurance for 50 years, Australia has had it for 30, and we're doing ok. Its only failing is the waiting list system for non urgent procedures.
Posted by Jeroen on June 8, 2013, at 15:37:26
In reply to Benzos, posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 0:25:10
Hi jono,
i take Ativan 1 mg twice a day, but 2 mg kills the anxiety
Posted by joef on June 9, 2013, at 11:09:02
In reply to Re: Benzos, posted by Jeroen on June 8, 2013, at 15:37:26
I also take .5 Ativan twice a day and 1.f late night for sleep...do you worry you are taking too much...have you ever tried klonopin
Posted by Abby Cunningham on June 11, 2013, at 12:28:44
In reply to Benzos, posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 7, 2013, at 0:25:10
I take alprazolam 1.75mg and find that it does help with depression a bit.
Be aware that many people find Klonopin a bit depressing. I hope you find what works best for you. I for one wish I had never touched a benzo as now I feel I'll never get off them!
Posted by gadchik on June 11, 2013, at 15:19:38
In reply to Re: Benzos, posted by Abby Cunningham on June 11, 2013, at 12:28:44
My feelings exactly. I only take .5mg klonopin and have tried to taper so many times, just that little pill-so hard to go without now.
Posted by joef on June 12, 2013, at 9:31:09
In reply to Re: Benzos » Abby Cunningham, posted by gadchik on June 11, 2013, at 15:19:38
in your opinion do the benefits outway the risks--dependence....I also take Ativan..1.5 sleep...and .5 once or twice a day....been for years ...when I try to cut down...well you know
Posted by gadchik on June 12, 2013, at 12:54:16
In reply to Re: Benzos, posted by joef on June 12, 2013, at 9:31:09
Ive heard so many diff opinions on this matter,I just dont know what to do. I think I could do well w/o it and only take occasionally. However, I just dont feel like feeling like crap for weeks trying to taper.I do know that I can fly, I can go to the dentist, I can socialize,sleep, all without panic.Maybe I could do all those things now w/o a benzo. But I continue on with it daily. I keep hearing a little voice say, "the longer youre on it, the harder to get off it..." I dont want to get old and still be taking this pill.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:31:57
In reply to Re: Benzos » joef, posted by gadchik on June 12, 2013, at 12:54:16
> Ive heard so many diff opinions on this matter,I just dont know what to do. I think I could do well w/o it and only take occasionally. However, I just dont feel like feeling like crap for weeks trying to taper.I do know that I can fly, I can go to the dentist, I can socialize,sleep, all without panic.Maybe I could do all those things now w/o a benzo. But I continue on with it daily. I keep hearing a little voice say, "the longer youre on it, the harder to get off it..." I dont want to get old and still be taking this pill.
joef,
You wrote,[...I don't want to be old and still be taking this pill...].
There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines. The withdrawal could be horrific and put one in a mind-altered state to want to kill themselves.
Now you can see this drug promoted here. What you can not see are those dead people from taking benzodiazepines. They can not speak here to warn you. But you have a head-start. You do not want this drug in you when you are old.
I am prevented from posting here all that I know about benzodiazepines due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. If I was not prohibited , I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be avoided.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/klonopin/sudden+death
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:41:25
In reply to Lou's response- » gadchik, posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:31:57
> > Ive heard so many diff opinions on this matter,I just dont know what to do. I think I could do well w/o it and only take occasionally. However, I just dont feel like feeling like crap for weeks trying to taper.I do know that I can fly, I can go to the dentist, I can socialize,sleep, all without panic.Maybe I could do all those things now w/o a benzo. But I continue on with it daily. I keep hearing a little voice say, "the longer youre on it, the harder to get off it..." I dont want to get old and still be taking this pill.
>
> joef,
> You wrote,[...I don't want to be old and still be taking this pill...].
> There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines. The withdrawal could be horrific and put one in a mind-altered state to want to kill themselves.
> Now you can see this drug promoted here. What you can not see are those dead people from taking benzodiazepines. They can not speak here to warn you. But you have a head-start. You do not want this drug in you when you are old.
> I am prevented from posting here all that I know about benzodiazepines due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. If I was not prohibited , I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be avoided.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/klonopin/sudden+deathCorrection-the post above was my response to gadchik
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/larazepam/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:45:13
In reply to c orrection-: Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:41:25
> > > Ive heard so many diff opinions on this matter,I just dont know what to do. I think I could do well w/o it and only take occasionally. However, I just dont feel like feeling like crap for weeks trying to taper.I do know that I can fly, I can go to the dentist, I can socialize,sleep, all without panic.Maybe I could do all those things now w/o a benzo. But I continue on with it daily. I keep hearing a little voice say, "the longer youre on it, the harder to get off it..." I dont want to get old and still be taking this pill.
> >
> > joef,
> > You wrote,[...I don't want to be old and still be taking this pill...].
> > There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines. The withdrawal could be horrific and put one in a mind-altered state to want to kill themselves.
> > Now you can see this drug promoted here. What you can not see are those dead people from taking benzodiazepines. They can not speak here to warn you. But you have a head-start. You do not want this drug in you when you are old.
> > I am prevented from posting here all that I know about benzodiazepines due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. If I was not prohibited , I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be avoided.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/klonopin/sudden+death
>
> Correction-the post above was my response to gadchik
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/larazepam/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/deathcorrection:
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lorazepam/death
Posted by gardenergirl on June 12, 2013, at 23:49:56
In reply to Lou's response- » gadchik, posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:31:57
> There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines.Any study that clearly demonstrated a "cause and effect relationship" between cancer and benzodizepines would be highly unethical at worst, a whole bunch of hogwash or perhaps simply not interpreted with critical thinking skills at best. I am certain there is no such study.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 12, 2013, at 23:52:21
In reply to Lou's response- » gadchik, posted by Lou Pilder on June 12, 2013, at 13:31:57
Posted by SLS on June 13, 2013, at 4:38:58
In reply to Benzos, posted by gardenergirl on June 12, 2013, at 23:49:56
> > There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines.
> Any study that clearly demonstrated a "cause and effect relationship" between cancer and benzodizepines would be highly unethical at worst, a whole bunch of hogwash or perhaps simply not interpreted with critical thinking skills at best. I am certain there is no such study.
Thanks, Gardenergirl.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 13, 2013, at 5:28:06
In reply to Correlation does not equal causation (nm), posted by gardenergirl on June 12, 2013, at 23:52:21
You are right, of course.
Just because two things happen at the same time does not mean that they are related or occur as cause and effect. This is why any and all treatment-emergents adverse events that are seen during clinical trials of a medication must be reported, even if they are not at all related to the medication being studied. The resulting list of adverse events can be quite long and scary to read unless one understands the basis for the enumeration of these events. For instance, heart attack might be listed as a treatment-emergent event, even though it might not occur at a rate that is any higher than that seen in the general population. People have heart attacks. People who take Effexor have heart attacks.
- Scott
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From the package insert as reproduced by RxList:http://www.rxlist.com/effexor-drug/side-effects-interactions.htm
"In the tabulations that follow, reported adverse events were classified using a standard COSTART-based Dictionary terminology. The frequencies presented, therefore, represent the proportion of the 5356 patients exposed to multiple doses of either formulation of venlafaxine who experienced an event of the type cited on at least one occasion while receiving venlafaxine. All reported events are included except those already listed in Table 2 and those events for which a drug cause was remote. If the COSTART term for an event was so general as to be uninformative, it was replaced with a more informative term. It is important to emphasize that, although the events reported occurred during treatment with venlafaxine, they were not necessarily caused by it.
Events are further categorized by body system and listed in order of decreasing frequency using the following definitions: frequent adverse events are defined as those occurring on one or more occasions in at least 1/100 patients; infrequent adverse events are those occurring in 1/100 to 1/1000 patients; rare events are those occurring in fewer than 1/1000 patients."
"Cardiovascular systemFrequent: migraine; Infrequent: angina pectoris, arrhythmia, extrasystoles, hypotension, peripheral vascular disorder (mainly cold feet and/or cold hands), syncope, thrombophlebitis; Rare: aortic aneurysm, arteritis, first-degree atrioventricular block, bigeminy, bradycardia, bundle branch block, capillary fragility, cardiovascular disorder (mitral valve and circulatory disturbance), cerebral ischemia, coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, heart arrest, mucocutaneous hemorrhage, myocardial infarct, pallor."
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 5:49:41
In reply to Benzos, posted by gardenergirl on June 12, 2013, at 23:49:56
>
> > There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines.
>
> Any study that clearly demonstrated a "cause and effect relationship" between cancer and benzodizepines would be highly unethical at worst, a whole bunch of hogwash or perhaps simply not interpreted with critical thinking skills at best. I am certain there is no such study.
>
> gggg,
You wrote,[...a cause and effect relationship between cancer and benzodiazepines... whole bunch of hogwash...I am certain there is no such study...].
Readers and gg, be advised that there are numerous prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from having the liberty to fully explain what I know about BZDs that INHO could save your life and prevent horrific addictions and life-ruining conditions. And you parents that are trying to make a more informed decision as to drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, take heed that no web site deceives you. For what is allowed to be posted about Jews here can be seen on the administration board where there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung. I want you to know how IMHO that could effect your decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
So be it as it may be, please read the following before you have your child drugged. The life you save may be your child's.
Lou
http://www.darksideofsleeping pills.com
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 5:52:20
In reply to Lou's reply-cancer and BZDs » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 5:49:41
> >
> > > There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines.
> >
> > Any study that clearly demonstrated a "cause and effect relationship" between cancer and benzodizepines would be highly unethical at worst, a whole bunch of hogwash or perhaps simply not interpreted with critical thinking skills at best. I am certain there is no such study.
> >
> > gg
>
> gg,
> You wrote,[...a cause and effect relationship between cancer and benzodiazepines... whole bunch of hogwash...I am certain there is no such study...].
> Readers and gg, be advised that there are numerous prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from having the liberty to fully explain what I know about BZDs that INHO could save your life and prevent horrific addictions and life-ruining conditions. And you parents that are trying to make a more informed decision as to drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, take heed that no web site deceives you. For what is allowed to be posted about Jews here can be seen on the administration board where there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung. I want you to know how IMHO that could effect your decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
> So be it as it may be, please read the following before you have your child drugged. The life you save may be your child's.
> Lou
> http://www.darksideofsleeping pills.comcorrection:
Lou
http://www.darksideofsleepingpills.com
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 6:24:02
In reply to correction: Lou's reply-cancer and BZDs, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 5:52:20
> > >
> > > > There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines.
> > >
> > > Any study that clearly demonstrated a "cause and effect relationship" between cancer and benzodizepines would be highly unethical at worst, a whole bunch of hogwash or perhaps simply not interpreted with critical thinking skills at best. I am certain there is no such study.
> > >
> > > gg
> >
> > gg,
> > You wrote,[...a cause and effect relationship between cancer and benzodiazepines... whole bunch of hogwash...I am certain there is no such study...].
> > Readers and gg, be advised that there are numerous prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from having the liberty to fully explain what I know about BZDs that INHO could save your life and prevent horrific addictions and life-ruining conditions. And you parents that are trying to make a more informed decision as to drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, take heed that no web site deceives you. For what is allowed to be posted about Jews here can be seen on the administration board where there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung. I want you to know how IMHO that could effect your decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
> > So be it as it may be, please read the following before you have your child drugged. The life you save may be your child's.
> > Lou
> > http://www.darksideofsleeping pills.com
>
> correction:
> Lou
> http://www.darksideofsleepingpills.comFriends,
The tobacco companies for years used the argument that cancer doesn't come from smoking because you can't prove that the chemicals in the smoke caused the cancer. Yet today, over 2,000,000 people each year die from smoking tobacco products. Is there not a cause and effect relationship? Or did those all die from eating apple butter?
Lou
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22579162
Posted by Willful on June 13, 2013, at 12:00:52
In reply to correction: Lou's reply-cancer and BZDs, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 5:52:20
There have been some studies linking benzos with various cancers-- but from my reading, they don't consider any other possible concomitant life patterns, drugs, smoking, or other factors which may correlate with benzo use, and be the actual causative effect.
Moreover other very reputable studies dispute this effect.
This is one of them, taking from the British Journal of Pharmacology from this year.
~~~
Use of benzodiazepines or benzodiazepine related drugs and the risk of cancer: a population-based case-control studyAnton Pottegård1,*, Søren Friis2, Morten Andersen3, Jesper Hallas1
Article first published online: 8 APR 2013
British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology
Volume 75, Issue 5, pages 13561364, May 2013The study summed up as follows
Conclusion: BZRD use was not associated with an overall increase in cancer risk, except for what is likely explained by minor lifestyle confounding, e.g. smoking.See: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bcp.12001/abstract
~~~
Perhaps one's attitude toward these studies will be somewhat conditioned by your attitude toward taking these meds-- But the most you can say is that there are some far-from-solid suggestions that certain cancers might be associated with benzos, the relationship is unclear and the studies themselves are far from substantiating any link.
~~I personally think that in moderation, benzos can contribute positively to sleep-- which is a very important element in emotional stability and functioning. I've used xanax and lorazepam on and off for a pretty long time-- and I find that they've at times helped me immensely.
Incidentally, it's fascinating that Lou now uses the fact that he is not "allowed" to post all he knows-- to imply that some profound and looming catastrophe which he is prevented from bringing forward, threatens all who, in the absence of what he might say, take the med.How ironic that that fact that he's constrained from posting some of his extreme claims has become a validation of the truth of said unspoken extreme claims.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 15:04:20
In reply to Lou's reply-cancer and BZDs, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 6:24:02
> > > >
> > > > > There is an ongoing unfolding of evidence to show that benzodiazepine use could cause life-ruining condition. Cancer is now one of those conditions that some studies show a cause and effect relationship with benzodiazepines.
> > > >
> > > > Any study that clearly demonstrated a "cause and effect relationship" between cancer and benzodizepines would be highly unethical at worst, a whole bunch of hogwash or perhaps simply not interpreted with critical thinking skills at best. I am certain there is no such study.
> > > >
> > > > gg
> > >
> > > gg,
> > > You wrote,[...a cause and effect relationship between cancer and benzodiazepines... whole bunch of hogwash...I am certain there is no such study...].
> > > Readers and gg, be advised that there are numerous prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from having the liberty to fully explain what I know about BZDs that INHO could save your life and prevent horrific addictions and life-ruining conditions. And you parents that are trying to make a more informed decision as to drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor, take heed that no web site deceives you. For what is allowed to be posted about Jews here can be seen on the administration board where there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung. I want you to know how IMHO that could effect your decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor.
> > > So be it as it may be, please read the following before you have your child drugged. The life you save may be your child's.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.darksideofsleeping pills.com
> >
> > correction:
> > Lou
> > http://www.darksideofsleepingpills.com
>
> Friends,
> The tobacco companies for years used the argument that cancer doesn't come from smoking because you can't prove that the chemicals in the smoke caused the cancer. Yet today, over 2,000,000 people each year die from smoking tobacco products. Is there not a cause and effect relationship? Or did those all die from eating apple butter?
> Lou
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22579162Friends,
The question concerning BZDs here can be determined by yourself by the preponderance of the evidence. Sure there could be studies to show that BZDs do not cause cancer, but what if the [population in that study was different? And how does one know if the study was not fixed? But when a study does show a relationship with BZDs associated with cancer, that is a whole new aspect of the question. I guess one could have a study that shows that people thrown out of airplanes at 10000 feet can survive, but us it the exception or he rule? You can send 1000 swimmers across a crocodile infested river and some will make it across. I wuld like participants here to view the following video.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpia5otB48
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 16:36:46
In reply to Re: correction: Lou's reply-cancer and BZDs, posted by Willful on June 13, 2013, at 12:00:52
> There have been some studies linking benzos with various cancers-- but from my reading, they don't consider any other possible concomitant life patterns, drugs, smoking, or other factors which may correlate with benzo use, and be the actual causative effect.
>
> Moreover other very reputable studies dispute this effect.
>
> This is one of them, taking from the British Journal of Pharmacology from this year.
>
> ~~~
> Use of benzodiazepines or benzodiazepine related drugs and the risk of cancer: a population-based case-control study
>
> Anton Pottegård1,*, Søren Friis2, Morten Andersen3, Jesper Hallas1
>
> Article first published online: 8 APR 2013
> British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology
> Volume 75, Issue 5, pages 13561364, May 2013
>
> The study summed up as follows
> Conclusion: BZRD use was not associated with an overall increase in cancer risk, except for what is likely explained by minor lifestyle confounding, e.g. smoking.
>
> See: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bcp.12001/abstract
>
> ~~~
>
> Perhaps one's attitude toward these studies will be somewhat conditioned by your attitude toward taking these meds-- But the most you can say is that there are some far-from-solid suggestions that certain cancers might be associated with benzos, the relationship is unclear and the studies themselves are far from substantiating any link.
> ~~
>
> I personally think that in moderation, benzos can contribute positively to sleep-- which is a very important element in emotional stability and functioning. I've used xanax and lorazepam on and off for a pretty long time-- and I find that they've at times helped me immensely.
>
>
> Incidentally, it's fascinating that Lou now uses the fact that he is not "allowed" to post all he knows-- to imply that some profound and looming catastrophe which he is prevented from bringing forward, threatens all who, in the absence of what he might say, take the med.
>
> How ironic that that fact that he's constrained from posting some of his extreme claims has become a validation of the truth of said unspoken extreme claims.
>
> Friends,
It is written here,[...Lou is not allowed to post what he knows...threatens all who..take the med...the fact that he's constrained...].
There is a lot to this that could be unbeknownst to some here. Butaken as a whole, the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung IMHHHO if not posted to me, lives could be saved, addictions and life-ruining conditions could be avoided.
Part of this is that IMHO there is an indoctrination going on here that could persuade the uninformed. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. And by the prohibitions to me here, I can not post facts that IMO could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse. You see, Mr Hsiung and his deputies can control the content here, and what is much worse, allow anti-Semitic statements and defamation toward me that could cause readers to have a decreased regard or confidence in what I post. That IMHO could lead to the death of I do not know how many, for I think that what facts I could have posted could lead to life and life more abundantly.
If you are a parent, I am asking that you get all the facts you can before you drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. Since my speech is repressed here in relation to the prohibitions, and there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
Here is one post that could give some more aspects of the environment I am facing and I hope that you find out more in order to make a decision.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/mss/1031548.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 16:42:36
In reply to Lou's warning-itzpsoeezee, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 16:36:46
> > There have been some studies linking benzos with various cancers-- but from my reading, they don't consider any other possible concomitant life patterns, drugs, smoking, or other factors which may correlate with benzo use, and be the actual causative effect.
> >
> > Moreover other very reputable studies dispute this effect.
> >
> > This is one of them, taking from the British Journal of Pharmacology from this year.
> >
> > ~~~
> > Use of benzodiazepines or benzodiazepine related drugs and the risk of cancer: a population-based case-control study
> >
> > Anton Pottegård1,*, Søren Friis2, Morten Andersen3, Jesper Hallas1
> >
> > Article first published online: 8 APR 2013
> > British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology
> > Volume 75, Issue 5, pages 13561364, May 2013
> >
> > The study summed up as follows
> > Conclusion: BZRD use was not associated with an overall increase in cancer risk, except for what is likely explained by minor lifestyle confounding, e.g. smoking.
> >
> > See: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bcp.12001/abstract
> >
> > ~~~
> >
> > Perhaps one's attitude toward these studies will be somewhat conditioned by your attitude toward taking these meds-- But the most you can say is that there are some far-from-solid suggestions that certain cancers might be associated with benzos, the relationship is unclear and the studies themselves are far from substantiating any link.
> > ~~
> >
> > I personally think that in moderation, benzos can contribute positively to sleep-- which is a very important element in emotional stability and functioning. I've used xanax and lorazepam on and off for a pretty long time-- and I find that they've at times helped me immensely.
> >
> >
> > Incidentally, it's fascinating that Lou now uses the fact that he is not "allowed" to post all he knows-- to imply that some profound and looming catastrophe which he is prevented from bringing forward, threatens all who, in the absence of what he might say, take the med.
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> > How ironic that that fact that he's constrained from posting some of his extreme claims has become a validation of the truth of said unspoken extreme claims.
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> > Friends,
> It is written here,[...Lou is not allowed to post what he knows...threatens all who..take the med...the fact that he's constrained...].
> There is a lot to this that could be unbeknownst to some here. Butaken as a whole, the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung IMHHHO if not posted to me, lives could be saved, addictions and life-ruining conditions could be avoided.
> Part of this is that IMHO there is an indoctrination going on here that could persuade the uninformed. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. And by the prohibitions to me here, I can not post facts that IMO could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse. You see, Mr Hsiung and his deputies can control the content here, and what is much worse, allow anti-Semitic statements and defamation toward me that could cause readers to have a decreased regard or confidence in what I post. That IMHO could lead to the death of I do not know how many, for I think that what facts I could have posted could lead to life and life more abundantly.
> If you are a parent, I am asking that you get all the facts you can before you drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. Since my speech is repressed here in relation to the prohibitions, and there are years of outstanding requests/notifications from me to Mr Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies it is easy for others here to persuade you because you lack the facts that I could post. Yet today, I will have to wait for someone greater than me to have the power to force Mr Hsiung and his lackeys to respond to my years of outstanding requests/notifications.
> Here is one post that could give some more aspects of the environment I am facing and I hope that you find out more in order to make a decision.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/mss/1031548.html
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> correction:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1031548.html
Posted by 10derheart on June 13, 2013, at 18:25:58
In reply to Lou's warning-itzpsoeezee, posted by Lou Pilder on June 13, 2013, at 16:36:46
I have replied to part of this below so as not to dilute jono's thread with this stuff.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130527/msgs/1045236.html
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