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Posted by Laney on February 5, 2012, at 11:11:48
is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
Thanks guys!
Laney
Posted by Phillipa on February 5, 2012, at 12:14:48
In reply to How long does it generally take to see if Effexor, posted by Laney on February 5, 2012, at 11:11:48
I once tried it and took for 5 days then years ago. I think it takes at least that long to build up in the blood and as they say here 6-8 weeks? I remember being started on 37.5 mg. Good no anxiety. Sounds like a good dose for you. Best of luck my friend. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 15:57:20
In reply to How long does it generally take to see if Effexor, posted by Laney on February 5, 2012, at 11:11:48
> is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
>
> Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
>
> I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
>
> Thanks guys!
>
> LaneyLaney,
You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
Lou
Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/death
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 16:02:39
In reply to Lou's response- » Laney, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 15:57:20
> > is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
> >
> > Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
> >
> > I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
> >
> > Thanks guys!
> >
> > Laney
>
> Laney,
> You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
> Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
> Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
> Lou
> Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
> http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/deathcorrection:
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/death
Posted by SLS on February 5, 2012, at 16:31:02
In reply to Lou's response- » Laney, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 15:57:20
Re: How long does it generally take to see if Effexor is going to work?
> Well, you could die before you find that out.
Perhaps by getting hit by a bus, yes.
Your statement is uncivil, I believe, because it is a gross exaggeration.
> You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
What was the old name?
> Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
>
> http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/deathYour link here is errant.
I have already reviewed your links to this website. At best, this website presents a set of unqualified numbers that are, by themselves, meaningless. At worst, this website presents intentional disinformation to further an agenda.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 21:40:19
In reply to correction- Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 16:02:39
> > > is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
> > >
> > > Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
> > >
> > > I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
> > >
> > > Thanks guys!
> > >
> > > Laney
> >
> > Laney,
> > You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
> > Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
> > Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> > You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
> > Lou
> > Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
> > http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/death
>
> correction:
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/deathFriends,
Death from Effexor can happen during the withdrawal state. Now if you take this drug and think that somehow by taking it there will be a way out for you from the underlying issues that are causing your depression, you could find yourself in a sitiuation where the drug does not get you a wy out and thgen you could give it up and take whatever the withdrawal could give you.
Now in the withdrawal period, there is the spector of one having suicide ideation that is uncontrollable and the person goes into a mind alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. The mechinism of this situation is well-known.
But first, I would like those interested to read the following:
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/tardive+dyskinesiaLou
To see how this can happen:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, can antidepressants cause violence, Dr Moria Dolan]
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 5:07:05
In reply to Lou's response-sukedintodhavortex, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2012, at 21:40:19
> > > > is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
> > > >
> > > > Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
> > > >
> > > > I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks guys!
> > > >
> > > > Laney
> > >
> > > Laney,
> > > You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
> > > Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
> > > Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> > > You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > Lou
> > > Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/death
> >
> > correction:
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/death
>
> Friends,
> Death from Effexor can happen during the withdrawal state. Now if you take this drug and think that somehow by taking it there will be a way out for you from the underlying issues that are causing your depression, you could find yourself in a sitiuation where the drug does not get you a wy out and thgen you could give it up and take whatever the withdrawal could give you.
> Now in the withdrawal period, there is the spector of one having suicide ideation that is uncontrollable and the person goes into a mind alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. The mechinism of this situation is well-known.
> But first, I would like those interested to read the following:
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/tardive+dyskinesia
>
> Lou
> To see how this can happen:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, can antidepressants cause violence, Dr Moria Dolan]Friends,
The site, {ehealthme}, is a site that uses reports from the FDA and other records to show people what could be in store for them if they take a drug. This could offer people a more informed view of what could be the result of taking a drug and then help people make their own decision as to take a drug or not. The company has no ties with drug manufacturers and offers IMHHHHO a great opportunity and service to the community to save lives and head off a life-ruining condition.
Here is a link to the site.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
Posted by SLS on February 6, 2012, at 7:23:38
In reply to Lou's response-ehealthmecouldsaveslives, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 5:07:05
> Death from Effexor can happen during the withdrawal state.
Yes, it certainly can. "During" the withdrawal state does not establish cause-and-effect. Many people who are withdrawing from Effexor are doing so because this drug failed to improve their severe depressive state. This demoralization can lead some people to commit suicide, even in the absence of withdrawal phenomena.
It is my opinion that Effexor withdrawal can indeed increase the risk of suicide in a few people. I have no statistics or other evidence to support this statement, though. I cannot establish a rate of occurrence. By comparison, how many lives are saved each year by treating depression with Effexor? I would just recommend that people who are discontinuing Effexor, or any other SRI, treat any withdrawal anxiety and agitation that emerges with an anxiolytic or perhaps a mood stabilizer like Trileptal or Depakote. Some people might do well with Gabitril, but I am not a big fan of this drug. It sometimes produces more agitation than it quells.
1. How many people take Effexor, total?
2. What is the rate of suicide for all cases of depression?
3. What is the rate of suicide of people undergoing Effexor withdrawal?
Lou, I don't see that you can accurately depict the rate of suicide produced as a consequence of Effexor withdrawal. Your citations on the ehealme website are all inadequate because they don't take these things under consideration. They present only one statistic in the absence of the other necessary statistics to prove their conclusions. It is a weak argument to list the rate of occurrence in only those people reporting side effects.
4. Who are these side effects reported to?
5. What percentage of people taking Effexor report side effects?
The percentage of people taking Effexor who report side effects is necessarily less than 100% (After all, I never reported side effects). Even with this relatively small number of respondants, your website could report only a 1% rate of occurrence. A small number of a small number is a very small number. Not only that, but there is no way to determine cause-and-effect.
> Now in the withdrawal period, there is the spector of one having suicide ideation that is uncontrollable and the person goes into a mind alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. The mechinism of this
situation is well-known.Perhaps you can elucidate this well-known mechanism. I am not aware of it
Question: What is the rate of suicide that occurs during Effexor withdrawal?
The answer to this question must necessarily be expressed as a ratio or a percentage. If none of your citations provide this statistic, then you have no evidence to support your claim here.
If you do not answer this question, then I must recommend to others that your claims be viewed by others with appropriate skepticism.
You claim that Effexor is actually a very old drug with a new name. What was the old name of this drug?
You have not answered any of the questions that I have posed you in previous posts. I find this evasiveness to reduce the persuasiveness of your arguments.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 16:36:37
In reply to Lou's response-ehealthmecouldsaveslives, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 5:07:05
> > > > > is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks guys!
> > > > >
> > > > > Laney
> > > >
> > > > Laney,
> > > > You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
> > > > Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
> > > > Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> > > > You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > Lou
> > > > Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/death
> > >
> > > correction:
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/death
> >
> > Friends,
> > Death from Effexor can happen during the withdrawal state. Now if you take this drug and think that somehow by taking it there will be a way out for you from the underlying issues that are causing your depression, you could find yourself in a sitiuation where the drug does not get you a wy out and thgen you could give it up and take whatever the withdrawal could give you.
> > Now in the withdrawal period, there is the spector of one having suicide ideation that is uncontrollable and the person goes into a mind alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. The mechinism of this situation is well-known.
> > But first, I would like those interested to read the following:
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/tardive+dyskinesia
> >
> > Lou
> > To see how this can happen:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, can antidepressants cause violence, Dr Moria Dolan]
>
> Friends,
> The site, {ehealthme}, is a site that uses reports from the FDA and other records to show people what could be in store for them if they take a drug. This could offer people a more informed view of what could be the result of taking a drug and then help people make their own decision as to take a drug or not. The company has no ties with drug manufacturers and offers IMHHHHO a great opportunity and service to the community to save lives and head off a life-ruining condition.
> Here is a link to the site.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
>Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article. If you could, I think that you could have a better understnding of death from Effexor by suicide or other means.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[After surviving war in Iraq, US Troops now being]
Posted on Feb 17 2011
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 16:57:12
In reply to Lou's response-dhethfrmEffexr, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 16:36:37
> > > > > > is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks guys!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Laney
> > > > >
> > > > > Laney,
> > > > > You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
> > > > > Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
> > > > > Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> > > > > You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
> > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/death
> > > >
> > > > correction:
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/death
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Death from Effexor can happen during the withdrawal state. Now if you take this drug and think that somehow by taking it there will be a way out for you from the underlying issues that are causing your depression, you could find yourself in a sitiuation where the drug does not get you a wy out and thgen you could give it up and take whatever the withdrawal could give you.
> > > Now in the withdrawal period, there is the spector of one having suicide ideation that is uncontrollable and the person goes into a mind alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. The mechinism of this situation is well-known.
> > > But first, I would like those interested to read the following:
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/tardive+dyskinesia
> > >
> > > Lou
> > > To see how this can happen:
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, can antidepressants cause violence, Dr Moria Dolan]
> >
> > Friends,
> > The site, {ehealthme}, is a site that uses reports from the FDA and other records to show people what could be in store for them if they take a drug. This could offer people a more informed view of what could be the result of taking a drug and then help people make their own decision as to take a drug or not. The company has no ties with drug manufacturers and offers IMHHHHO a great opportunity and service to the community to save lives and head off a life-ruining condition.
> > Here is a link to the site.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> >
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article. If you could, I think that you could have a better understnding of death from Effexor by suicide or other means.
> Lou
> To see this article:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [After surviving war in Iraq, US Troops now being]
> Posted on Feb 17 2011Friends,
Here in this next article, you could continue learning about death and violence from Effexor.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Politics, Religion, and Family]
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 17:06:31
In reply to Lou's response-dhethfrmEffexr-continued, posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2012, at 16:57:12
> > > > > > > is going to work? I'm only on day 5 and started 75mg. this am.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, what is the usual dose? I don't really have any substantial startup anxiety. The first day - a little and I expect to have a little today with the increased dose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just don't want to spend too much time on it if it's not going to work due to it's infamous withdrawl problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks guys!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Laney
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Laney,
> > > > > > You wrote,[...is going to work?...].
> > > > > > Well, you could die before you find that out. If we look at the following, we could see that death can be an outcome when people take effexor. Here is a link that shows the stats and if you look at the last 3 years, there is an increasing number of deaths. But all of the deaths are not reported. Some say that there is 100 to each one reported that was not reported.
> > > > > > Now {bleau} has posted here that the drugs do not address the cause of the depression and such. I do know the cause of depression but there are numerous prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what IMHHHHHHO could lead you out of the darkness of depression and death and into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> > > > > > You see, this drug, Efffexor, is a new name for a knock-off of an old drug.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > Here is a link to those stats of death from effexor
> > > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com.ds/effexor/death
> > > > >
> > > > > correction:
> > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/death
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Death from Effexor can happen during the withdrawal state. Now if you take this drug and think that somehow by taking it there will be a way out for you from the underlying issues that are causing your depression, you could find yourself in a sitiuation where the drug does not get you a wy out and thgen you could give it up and take whatever the withdrawal could give you.
> > > > Now in the withdrawal period, there is the spector of one having suicide ideation that is uncontrollable and the person goes into a mind alterd state to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. The mechinism of this situation is well-known.
> > > > But first, I would like those interested to read the following:
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/tardive+dyskinesia
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > > To see how this can happen:
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [youtube, can antidepressants cause violence, Dr Moria Dolan]
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > The site, {ehealthme}, is a site that uses reports from the FDA and other records to show people what could be in store for them if they take a drug. This could offer people a more informed view of what could be the result of taking a drug and then help people make their own decision as to take a drug or not. The company has no ties with drug manufacturers and offers IMHHHHO a great opportunity and service to the community to save lives and head off a life-ruining condition.
> > > Here is a link to the site.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> > >
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article. If you could, I think that you could have a better understnding of death from Effexor by suicide or other means.
> > Lou
> > To see this article:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [After surviving war in Iraq, US Troops now being]
> > Posted on Feb 17 2011
>
> Friends,
> Here in this next article, you could continue learning about death and violence from Effexor.
> Lou
> To see this article:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Politics, Religion, and Family]Friends,
Here is the corrcted article. To see this:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Anti depressants that are linked to violence?-Desvenlafaxine
Lou
Posted by mellow on February 6, 2012, at 23:35:58
In reply to How long does it generally take to see if Effexor, posted by Laney on February 5, 2012, at 11:11:48
Laney,
I experienced an Effexor induced mania last year. I felt the effects of 37.5 the very next morning after the first dose. I experienced no discontinuation syndrome, but I only took it for 5 days so it probably didn't build up in my system long.
My doctor always warns me I should be weary of feeling good too earlier after introducing a med. Since you haven't felt anything too rapidly right out of the gate I would hope that means you will have a nice stable climb upward.
Good luck.
mellow
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