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Posted by zonked on October 16, 2011, at 17:33:41
Hi all:
Just wondering if anyone's become more vibrant lately.
Would you mind sharing:
1. Your length of time on the drug.
2. Dosage starting and current.
3. Symptoms that have improved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
4. Side effectsthx,
-zPS: My combo (Nardil + Testosterone + Xanax) is working okay, but is far from ideal.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on October 16, 2011, at 20:58:45
In reply to Viibryd users: status update?, posted by zonked on October 16, 2011, at 17:33:41
I wouldn't quite Nardil for Viibryd, that's for sure! But that's just me ...
Try to see if you can add Dexedrine or something. You really can't ask for much more than you've already got. ;-)
Buprenorphine maybe?
Posted by zonked on October 16, 2011, at 21:14:22
In reply to Re: Viibryd users: status update? » zonked, posted by Chairman_MAO on October 16, 2011, at 20:58:45
> I wouldn't quite Nardil for Viibryd, that's for sure! But that's just me ...
>
> Try to see if you can add Dexedrine or something. You really can't ask for much more than you've already got. ;-)
>
> Buprenorphine maybe?Amphetamines cause tolerance in me rapidly. Has anyone else experienced this?
When I started testosterone, I had an almost... well, I had a lot more energy and my sleep sorta-kinda normalized. And I felt good to be alive, every day was like, hell yeah!
What I may be experiencing is feedback - you know, my natural male organs producing less in response to the exogenous T. This is usually handled by increasing the dose of testosterone until, if necessary, the body stops producing it almost entirely and it's controlled manually.
I know what you might be thinking, I'm f*ck*ng with my hormones. But I am doing so under a doctor's care; and if I have to apply a gel every day for the rest of my life to feel normal I'm gonna do it. I'm not doing anything like Suzanne Summers, taking 50 pills a day and injecting megadoses of estrogen directly into her vagina against conventional medical advice (well, I don't have a vagina, and it's testosterone, not estrogen, but you get it.)
No ultra-depressive-emergency here. I think I've got a lot of psychological issues and fears; and the biology of what we're doing just needs to be optimized. I should have a lab within the next two to three weeks.
The only reason I'd dump Nardil at this point would be, if after I have a job and have been stable for a long time, I would, one day, like to be able to be intimate with someone again - and carefully, and only if there's something else out there I haven't yet tried with a reputation for being as good for TRD as Nardil is.
Nardil has made me so fat that's sort of unlikely now. :)
-z
Posted by Chairman_MAO on October 16, 2011, at 22:21:11
In reply to Re: Viibryd users: status update? » Chairman_MAO, posted by zonked on October 16, 2011, at 21:14:22
> Amphetamines cause tolerance in me rapidly. Has anyone else experienced this?Everyone does, but it is a tolerance, not complete loss of effect. There are also pharmacological strategies to attenuate it, but I digress ...
>
> When I started testosterone, I had an almost... well, I had a lot more energy and my sleep sorta-kinda normalized. And I felt good to be alive, every day was like, hell yeah!
>People usually cycle it because ...
> What I may be experiencing is feedback - you know, my natural male organs producing less in response to the exogenous T. This is usually handled by increasing the dose of testosterone until, if necessary, the body stops producing it almost entirely and it's controlled manually.
>That is exactly what happens. There are all sorts of ways that people try to deal with this, and I think it's beyond the scope of this board.
> I know what you might be thinking, I'm f*ck*ng with my hormones. But I am doing so under a doctor's care; and if I have to apply a gel every day for the rest of my life to feel normal I'm gonna do it. I'm not doing anything like Suzanne Summers, taking 50 pills a day and injecting megadoses of estrogen directly into her vagina against conventional medical advice (well, I don't have a vagina, and it's testosterone, not estrogen, but you get it.)
>I'm not going to judge you for that. It's your body. Estrogenic drugs are much more harmful.
There's nothing wrong with using testosterone. I've done it under a doctor's care, and I've used my _own injections_ (connect the dots here) _with the knowledge of my treating physician_.
> No ultra-depressive-emergency here. I think I've got a lot of psychological issues and fears; and the biology of what we're doing just needs to be optimized. I should have a lab within the next two to three weeks.
>
There are always psychological issues and fears; the best that pharmacological intervention can ever give you is better baseline state of consciousness and well-being so that you can work on them and actualize yourself.
> The only reason I'd dump Nardil at this point would be, if after I have a job and have been stable for a long time, I would, one day, like to be able to be intimate with someone again - and carefully, and only if there's something else out there I haven't yet tried with a reputation for being as good for TRD as Nardil is.
>I'm trying Marplan now with the hope that I won't gain as much weight on it and that it'll be effective enough with the addition of the Dexedrine. But now I have to titrate the dose of Marplan up to 60-80mg, then the d-amphetamine has be titrated all the way back up to 60mg/day. That's gonna take some months. Really annoying.
> Nardil has made me so fat that's sort of unlikely now. :)
>That is the only reason I didn't go back on it.
> -z
Best of luck.
Posted by Phillipa on October 17, 2011, at 0:22:45
In reply to Re: Viibryd users: status update? » zonked, posted by Chairman_MAO on October 16, 2011, at 22:21:11
I'm still using the bioidentical hormone creams all three estriodol, progesterone, testosterone prescribed by a doctor who practiced ob-gyn and was head of osteoporosis unit at hospital here and went into anti aging. Still sitting on fence and not taking full dose. Use the creams based on bloodwork. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 17, 2011, at 10:39:18
In reply to Viibryd users: status update?, posted by zonked on October 16, 2011, at 17:33:41
Zonked I sure hope you get a viibryd reply as see a new pdoc wednesday rather scared of this. Would like to know if it's the latest fad so to speak or if really working for others. Phillipa
Posted by Laney on October 17, 2011, at 20:10:01
In reply to Re: Viibryd users: status update? » zonked, posted by Phillipa on October 17, 2011, at 10:39:18
Phillipa,
Are you thinking of trying Viibryd?
Laney
Posted by Phillipa on October 17, 2011, at 20:46:31
In reply to Re: Viibryd users: status update? » Phillipa, posted by Laney on October 17, 2011, at 20:10:01
Laney watching see a new pdoc Wednesday and you never know what they will say or suggest. The link on patient comments on google was sounding pretty good? Love Phillipa
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