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Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:04:36
In reply to Re: Lou's response-azurdhoktoar » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 10:29:09
> > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
>
> Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
>
> > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
>
> That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
>
> > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
>
> I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
>
> LarFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:32:01
In reply to Lou's response-phloaryhd, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:04:36
> > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> >
> > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> >
> > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> >
> > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> >
> > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> >
> > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> >
> > Lar
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To view this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
To read this article:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
In reply to Lou's request-uzizofphloarydinscydrgs, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:32:01
> > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > >
> > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > >
> > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > >
> > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > >
> > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > >
> > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > >
> > > Lar
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To view this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this article:
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
To read thiss;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
Posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 13:52:18
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 16:49:09
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
> I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
>
> Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?Sorry for getting side-tracked, and not answering your question. It took me a while to look into it. I can find no evidence to support either temporary or permanent suppression of dopaminergic function. In fact, chronic antidepressant treatment seems to sensitize dopaminergic receptors.
Yes, TCAs have more side-effects in a statistical sense, but you can't apply statistics to individuals. Your practictioner likely chose this treatment for you based on your responses to his questions. Drug selection is the art within the science, and I wish you success with this treatment choice.
Lar
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:01:45
In reply to Lou's response-phloaryhd, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:04:36
Sorry, Lou, but I really cannot continue this discussion with you, as your sources have no credibility in my eyes. The "doctor" you reference is a semi-literate chiropractor. Her inability to distinguish between fluoridation and fluorination (note the subtle difference in spelling, but immense difference in meaning) leads me to dismiss her out of hand.
Your other references also fail scientific scrutiny.
I suggest you google "the dose makes the poison".
With respect to the "toxicity" of fluorinated pharmaceutical drugs, the carbon-fluorine bond is significantly stronger than the aliphatic carbon-hydrogen bond. As the latter does not dissasociate in the human body, I cannot imagine that the former is capable of doing so. The activation energy is simply far too high. Ergo, there can be no fluoride ions formed. But even if they did, they would be far too few to have toxic effects. Fluorinated molecules are remarkably stable, and are actually preferred in drug synthesis over brominated or chlorinated structures.
http://www.iptonline.com/articles/public/IPTFOUR74NP.pdf
Lar
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:03:15
In reply to Lou's request-huzwrite?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
Lou, I request that you read the following:
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.htmlIt discusses the adverse effects of the chemical dihydrogen monoxide.
Lar
Posted by hyperfocus on September 4, 2011, at 17:14:55
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse? (nm), posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 13:52:18
A lot of psych drugs can cause apathy and anhedonia - a loss of response to normally pleasurable or gratifying things like hobbies, movies, books, social interactions etc. This is what I think people mean when they talk about 'lowering dopamine'. But it's really not that simple. It's way way way more complex than just altering one neurotransmitter. Anyway SSRIs have a reputation for doing this which can persist after ending treatment, called Post-SSRI syndrome. But not TCAs. I never really read a report here of people experiencing anhedonia on Elavil. The usual unwanted effects, apart from the yucky TCA sleepiness and dry mouth and cognitive effects etc., is agitation and anger.
How much Elavil are you taking? What's your diagnosis?
Posted by NKP on September 4, 2011, at 17:27:26
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse? » Michaelho, posted by hyperfocus on September 4, 2011, at 17:14:55
I recall that one of our posters said that long-term use of SSRIs causes the dopamine pump to double as a serotonin pump in order to remove some of the surplus serotonin floating around the synapse and that this reduces dopamine transmission.
Is this wrong?
Posted by 10derheart on September 4, 2011, at 19:43:31
In reply to Re: Lou's request-huzwrite? » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:03:15
..>>dihydrogen monoxide.
:-) Big grin. Yes. Benign, essential and potentially terrifying - all at once, in a way.
So very glad to see you here, Lar. Your voice is missed. Great posts and they are making me try to brush up on my biology and chemistry which I do like a lot but struggle with retaining.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
In reply to Lou's request-huzwrite?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
> > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > >
> > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > >
> > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > >
> > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > >
> > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > >
> > > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > Lou
> > > To view this video:
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > Lou
> > To read this article:
> > A. Bring up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> To read thiss;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> This is by Dr DeAnne MillerFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
To read this articl;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 21:14:10
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
> > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > >
> > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lar
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To view this video:
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > Lou
> > > To read this article:
> > > A. Bring up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > To read thiss;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this articl;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> The article is by Dr Russell BlaylockFriends,
If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.
Posted by larryhoover on September 5, 2011, at 4:02:24
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this articl;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> The article is by Dr Russell BlaylockNew studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population.I've included quotes from the article, and commented beneath each one.
"New studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population."
Leaving aside the fact that fluoride is not released from these molecules in the first place, I searched Pubmed using a variety of terms, and found no such "new studies", nor any old ones either.
"The difference with other fluorinated medications is that these anti-depressants are taken for years not weeks, as with an antibiotic. Indeed, recent studies have shown that the fluorinated antidepressant medications remain in the brain for prolonged periods after discontinuing the medication, more so with fluoxetine (Prozac) than Paxil."
Once again, I used a variety of search terms, and found no evidence to support this claim either.
Lou, people say whatever they want on the internet. This is no better than anecdote, no matter who wrote it. I could, but choose not to, discuss the various logical fallacies embedded in the type of reports you provide here. They are convincing only to those who already hold the underlying beliefs presented. I don't have time for the videos just now, as I am in Edinburgh and it's time to head out with my sons.
Lar
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 4:41:24
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Do the sexual side effects still occur during and after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 7:07:36
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:28:35
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc-getingtudhakrux, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 21:14:10
> > > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lar
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To view this video:
> > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To read this article:
> > > > A. Bring up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > > To read thiss;
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > Lou
> > To read this articl;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> > The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
> Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article from pubmed in this link.
Lou
http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:39:42
In reply to Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:28:35
> > > > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > To view this video:
> > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To read this article:
> > > > > A. Bring up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > > > To read thiss;
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > > > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > Lou
> > > To read this articl;
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> > > The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
> > Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article from pubmed in this link.
> Lou
> http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643correction;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 16:54:29
In reply to correction:: Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:39:42
Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 19:51:57
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 16:54:29
> Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
Mich,
You wrote,[...does anyone...?].
I do have answers for you and I want you to know that I am here to save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. I will continue...
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 20:27:30
In reply to Lou's reply-bhzeigh » Michaelho, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 19:51:57
> > Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
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> Mich,
> You wrote,[...does anyone...?].
> I do have answers for you and I want you to know that I am here to save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. I will continue...
> LouMich,
I see your two questionss. I would like to start by viewing the following video.
Lou. To see this:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in;
[youtube, Psychotropic drugs; The hidden Dangers]
This is by Dr Gary Kohls
Posted by Lepus on September 5, 2011, at 22:11:29
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
> I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
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> Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?I don't know the mechanism of action but TCAs are often more effective at treating anxiety than SSRIs. They can cause more side effects. It depends on the person. I was on Tofranil for years (over a decade actually) with no side effects. I don't show any signs of permanent effects on dopamine function.
Just some anecdotal evidence, and hopefully a bump to get this thread back on track and answered by someone more knowledgeable than I.
Posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
"Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 6, 2011, at 11:12:16
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
> "Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
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> Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"
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> Mich,
In looking at your requests above, I do have answers for you. But it is much more for me to lead you to facts that could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
It is a well-established fact that both of the type of drugs have the potential to cause sexual disfunction. One can search the drugs through the PDR or other books and see. And there are cases of permanent consequences in reports from others. But if one continues in their life taking mind-altered drugs, that is another aspect of this. One can search about permenent brain damage from psychotropic drugs and loss of feelings and such that could go to the {blunting} aspect of consequences from taking these drugs. There are plenty of resorces available to see that the blunting can happen as you request to know.
I could post videos from famous psychiatrists such as Peter Breggin and others that tell about the effects in store to those that take psychotropic drugs be them to be the SSRIs or the tricyclics or others. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Are you looking for a chemical cure for your condition?
B. Are you aware that these drugs (redacted by respondent) and at worse kill you ?
C. Do you know that about 42,000 people last year died from psychotropic drugs?
D. Are you aware that these drugs could induce a mind-altered state in the one taking tthe drug to compel them to want to kill themselves and/or others?
E. redacted by respondent
Lou
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Posted by larryhoover on September 6, 2011, at 13:14:21
In reply to Re: Lou's request- Dr Blayloc » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 5, 2011, at 4:02:24
> I've included quotes from the article, and commented beneath each one.
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> "New studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population."
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> Leaving aside the fact that fluoride is not released from these molecules in the first place, I searched Pubmed using a variety of terms, and found no such "new studies", nor any old ones either.Lou, I watched the whole hour-long+ video, and there was no support provided for the allegations made. In fact, there was no mention whatsoever of fluorinated medications. In fact, over 80% of the interview (my estimate) dealt with the supposed adverse effects of vaccination, which I would argue is the single most important medical advance in history.
> "The difference with other fluorinated medications is that these anti-depressants are taken for years not weeks, as with an antibiotic. Indeed, recent studies have shown that the fluorinated antidepressant medications remain in the brain for prolonged periods after discontinuing the medication, more so with fluoxetine (Prozac) than Paxil."
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> Once again, I used a variety of search terms, and found no evidence to support this claim either.
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> Lou, people say whatever they want on the internet. This is no better than anecdote, no matter who wrote it. I could, but choose not to, discuss the various logical fallacies embedded in the type of reports you provide here. They are convincing only to those who already hold the underlying beliefs presented. I don't have time for the videos just now, as I am in Edinburgh and it's time to head out with my sons.Lou, this man is a very skilled orator, but he fails absolutely in the development of rational arguments. I don't have time to detail the numerous examples of his sophistic arguments, but whenever it came time to lay our his evidence, he reached for generalizations from "science" not explicitly described. However, when he wished to describe philosophical perspectives and conspiracy theories, he had ample references. I reiterate, he assumes that his audience believes the basic philosophical elements of his own hypotheses, yet fails to demonstrate any evidence to persuade a skeptic of his perceptions.
A search of Pubmed on one of his frequently used terms, immunoexcitotoxin, pulled up three papers only, all co-authored by this man. Clearly, he is not speaking from anywhere but the fringe of science.
He may be a doctor, but he is nonetheless a fool.
Lar
Posted by larryhoover on September 6, 2011, at 13:22:57
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
> "Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
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> Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"There is no evidence whatsoever that antidepressants "lower dopamine". Some patients experience a cognitive blunting, but it is impossible to know why some experience it, and others do not. When one considers the vast number of treated individuals (100's of millions, I should think), adverse effects must be in the minority of users. The same goes for sexual side effects. They can happen, but there is no way to know if they will, in your case. If you aren't willing to risk the side effects, I suggest you seek therapies that do not present those specific risks.
For example, Paxil caused sexual dysfunction in my own case, so I refused to continue on it, as my sexuality is very important to me. Paxil is also used to treat sexual dysfunction, so it is by no means a clear decision point.
Lar
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