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Posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 12:28:55
I'm still having a horrible time with racing thoughts. Has anyone found anything other then risperdal to be helpful? It is driving me insane!
Mark
Posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 14:53:34
In reply to Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 12:28:55
I'M HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM I KEEP TELLING DOC BUT ALL WE DO ARE USE LAMICTAL /TEGRETOL I NEED SOME RELIEFE ALSO
Posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 15:25:15
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 14:53:34
I also take tegretol. I was thinking maybe this new anti depressant might help....viibryd? Abilify {5mg) helped but I can't take ap's. I think it must be stress related, I don't know.
Mark
Posted by jms600 on July 27, 2011, at 17:24:48
In reply to Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 12:28:55
I guess it depends on what is causing the racing thoughts? Is it severe anxiety or is it mania? Not sure what you have tried already? If you haven't had a go with Zyprexa or Seroquel you could start with either of those. If you can't tolerate APs you could try lithium carbonate or maybe even sodium valproate.
Posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 17:56:12
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by jms600 on July 27, 2011, at 17:24:48
would love to try seroquel or risperdal for these racing thoughts...but am diabetic and really the doc would prefer not to prescribe these so i am limited
Posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 18:24:32
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 17:56:12
Does your racing mind keep you awake at night? I've tried googling racing thoughts and I don't get much help. I thought someone here would have experienced them and a solution.
Mark
Posted by Phillipa on July 28, 2011, at 0:14:34
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 18:24:32
I have them and it's panic and anxiety benzos work great but after all the years on them tolerant and won't raise the dose so might try them? Phillipa
Posted by morgan miller on July 29, 2011, at 7:55:22
In reply to Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 12:28:55
If you're still wanting to go the AP route, then Zyprex is your best bet here.
Other medications I would recommend trying are lithium and depakote.
Supplements I would suggest are New Chapter supercritical holy basil, Magnesium glycinate(400 to 600 mgs), glycine, taurine, inositol, and lysine.
Sorry your not doing so hot, hope you find relief soon!
Morgan
Posted by morgan miller on July 29, 2011, at 7:58:21
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 14:53:34
> I'M HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM I KEEP TELLING DOC BUT ALL WE DO ARE USE LAMICTAL /TEGRETOL I NEED SOME RELIEFE ALSO
You could use some depakote. Your doctor is foolish for getting you on at least 750 mg.
For anyone that is not on an atypical antipsychotic already, I would try depakote before zyprexa, then try zyprexa if depakote and all else fails. Some lithium combined with depakote may synergize and give you more relief.
Morgan
Posted by Zyprexa on July 29, 2011, at 8:01:25
In reply to Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 12:28:55
Risperdal did not work for me. I've found zyprexa and perphenazine to work. Very well I might add! Zyprexa in particular has been a lifesaver for more than a decade. Perphenazine I've been taking for 3.5 years. It seems to be helping the zyprexa.
Posted by Zyprexa on July 29, 2011, at 8:04:59
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 17:56:12
Why not try perphenazine it seems to be diabeties free.
Posted by Zyprexa on July 29, 2011, at 8:09:31
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 27, 2011, at 18:24:32
Philipa one of my first symptoms was racing thoughts, big problem for me. I was also very psychotic and holucinating. I've never had good results with mood stabilizers, like depakote and lamictal. Its always been the zyprexa that fixes me.
Posted by morgan miller on July 29, 2011, at 8:12:15
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 27, 2011, at 17:56:12
> would love to try seroquel or risperdal for these racing thoughts...but am diabetic and really the doc would prefer not to prescribe these so i am limited
Talk to the doc about taking metformin if you are not already.
Are you exercising 5 days a week? I'm talking about more intense exercise.
Have you ever considered a paleor or primal diet? This would require you to eliminate grains and run mostly off of the carbs you get from good veggies, fruits, and saturated fat(much of it from animal protein). You might feel much better on this diet also. Check out mark'sdailyapple.com
Also, consider a powerful resveratrol supplement, something from Revgenetics. Resveratrol can increase insulin sensitivit, I beleive through activating AMPK. Other supplements/foods that may help with your blood sugar issues are Holy Basil(it lowers blood sugar and can also help mood), blueberries(enhance insulin sensitivity), Cinnamon(better used as supplmement), Bilberry, alpha lipoic acid(this is a must! 2 or 3 times a day), Gymnema Sylvestre, and Bitter Melon.
Your doc may be concerned about depakote effecting your weight and then negatively impact your blood sugar. I think there are ways to offset these possible side effects. Also, when you take Depakote, you need to supplement with L-Carnitine and L-Methylfolate, as depakote can deplets stores of both folate and carnitine.
Hope you doc comes to his senses soon. I think the racing thoughts will pass, but they should be kept in check, and the state that comes along with them, as further damage can take place. Good luck.
Morgan
Posted by Phillipa on July 29, 2011, at 21:27:35
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by Zyprexa on July 29, 2011, at 8:09:31
Yes I do remember this and so glad you are out working again. Zyprexa is your miracle med for sure. Phillipa
Posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 14:20:16
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts » crazyjoe, posted by Zyprexa on July 29, 2011, at 8:04:59
i do take metformin----600 tegretol---100 lamictal---they don't seem to be doing the trick---and yes with a diabetic depakote is troublesome ----and i do work out---what iswhat is perpaenazine---the racing thoughts are affecting me at work ....my doc is very conservative so i don't know what to do
Posted by markwell on July 30, 2011, at 16:06:27
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 14:20:16
Crazy Joe, So the viibryd doesn't help at all with racing thoughts? I was hoping this would be one of the benefits. Oh well...maybe it will work for me.
Mark
Posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 21:39:41
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by markwell on July 30, 2011, at 16:06:27
what is vibryd
Posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 23:16:52
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 21:39:41
regarding racing thoughts my dr gives me 1mg of klonopin to sleep and will allow 1mg in the day says should help with racing thoughts....i usually take .5 in the day maybe i should take the img but i'm afraid its too much klonopin ...any thoughts
Posted by Zyprexa on July 31, 2011, at 1:02:58
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 14:20:16
perphenazine is a typical antipsychotic, that does not have weight gain and probably does not affect blood sugar. It is sedating and is similar to zyprxa.
Posted by crazyjoe on July 31, 2011, at 6:42:37
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by Zyprexa on July 31, 2011, at 1:02:58
thanx--is it used much anymore---have you ever used it
Posted by markwell on July 31, 2011, at 7:38:15
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 30, 2011, at 23:16:52
Crazyjoe, I thought you were the one on like day 26 of viibryd, a new antidepressant out. As for klonopin it makes me depressed.
Mark
Posted by Zyprexa on August 1, 2011, at 1:12:16
In reply to Re: Meds for racing thoughts, posted by crazyjoe on July 31, 2011, at 6:42:37
I take it now. It was pretty popular in the CATIE studdy.
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