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Posted by Lamdage on June 18, 2011, at 9:54:52
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 18, 2011, at 9:50:44
I think a combo of aurorix, selegiline and neurontin might come close.. thats what i was considering. But its very pricey and it has one big drawback: its not the mother of all bombs, nardil :D
Posted by hopefullynow on June 18, 2011, at 17:14:31
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 18, 2011, at 9:50:44
I can feel your impatience and anger/ frustration that things move so slow.I cant beleive what some of us do to make us a way on the road to recovery.I'ts much more simple to go and get some crack !You're really brave.
Unfortunately Maoi's in my country doesn't exist, like never happen.
Anafranil keeps me on a thin line between the black hole of despair and blah.I dunno if it's poop out but im not even close near normalcy.I guess I can't ask for much from clomipramine.
I tried selegiline for a few times and i was dissapointed.Mental energy-up, anxiety-waay up, depression untouched.On top of that I had a lot of problem with vascular constriction, cold extremities, shivering in the middle of summer.
Manerix is also a Maoi, so its banned.For me, the next step will be Nardil and Parnate if the first wont't work...
Cheers and thanks for help ;)!
Posted by hopefullynow on June 18, 2011, at 17:23:12
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by hopefullynow on June 18, 2011, at 17:14:31
thinking...how's life; one of the oldest AD, discovered by mistake and derived from a tuberculosis med, seems to be the future REAL antidepressant...
At least big pharmacy concerns should struggle to make safer and time release and with less side effects MAOI's
Posted by zonked on June 19, 2011, at 8:40:18
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by hopefullynow on June 18, 2011, at 17:14:31
> Unfortunately Maoi's in my country doesn't exist, like never happen.Curious, where do you live? Does your government's regulatory agency allow imports from other countries?
The last time I went to Mexico, I made certain to stock up on Xanax. (Tafil en Espanol.)
:-)
-z
Posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 13:08:47
In reply to Re: To Lamdage » hopefullynow, posted by zonked on June 19, 2011, at 8:40:18
I think it probably is allowed. Its allowed here in germany, too. But try finding a doctor who is willing to prescribe a med that isnt on the market here. They wont risk lawsuits or damage to their reputation or even (considering the degree of ignorance in this country): the loss of the doc license.
Btw hopefullynow:
I found this on the net:
Hungary import regulations:
--> Prescription required: NO !!
-->Import of medicine for personal use is subject to approval of the health ministry.
Idk what exactly this means. It might be worth a shot.
-->Prescription drugs should be no more than 3 months' supply. (this is pretty much in all european countries, but id calculate with the highest approved dosage for 3 months)
In germany you do need a prescription that needs to be attached to the parcel, so customs can check, so you may actually have an easier time getting your hands on nardil.All these regulations apply only for parcels that come from outside of the european union. Within the EU it really doesnt matter, because they arent even allowed to do custom controls of these parcels.
Since doctors here have the obligation to keep silence about their patients, i think once i found a MAOI experienced pdoc whom i feel comfortable with, i will open up to her/him and "confess" what im doing. I might as well tell the doc im on a daily regimen of cocaine, they must keep silence. If they give me a hard time about it i can leave on the spot. Tomorrow im seeing my general health practitioner and tell her whats going on. Hopefully will get a prescription for low dose nifedipine. She seems to be a nice gal otherwise i wouldnt talk to her about this sensitive issue.
Ld
> > Unfortunately Maoi's in my country doesn't exist, like never happen.
>
> Curious, where do you live? Does your government's regulatory agency allow imports from other countries?
>
> The last time I went to Mexico, I made certain to stock up on Xanax. (Tafil en Espanol.)
>
> :-)
>
> -z
Posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 13:23:53
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 13:08:47
Romania:
Prescription: No
Medicines intended for personal use do not require import permit, provided quantity is limited to one piece of each item.
Prescription drugs should be no more than 3 months' supply.
Non-prescription drugs should be limited to 5 pieces of each item.My bad! Looks like your good to go! One piece of each item is a bit of a pain, but all you need is to find a pharmacy with low shipping cost. According to this you dont need to limit your search to the EU
Posted by floatingbridge on June 19, 2011, at 13:47:53
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 13:23:53
Great slueth work!
fb
Posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 14:07:30
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 13:23:53
At this point i want to say a few words,
i will not help anyone doing any grey area things and id like to advise anyone trying this to know exactly what you are doing and find a supportive doctor if there is any possibility to do so!
If you handle it right its a safe med, but its very potent and the drug and food interactions can be fatal if dont know what youre doing.
I even believe to have heard something about eye drops being dangerous with Maoi. Research extensively about anything you put into or even on your body. Read labels on foods and know what ingredients are red flags.
The nifedipines purpose is not so you can have peace of mind and be careless.
If you take too much of a dosage or take it without having severely high blood pressure you can quite easily DIE from it. Consider wearing a medical ID bracelet for docs to know whats going on in case of emergency.
In one word do your homework if you really feel you need to do what im doing.No warranty that what ive written is complete. Im sure its not. There is alot of stuff to be aware of when taking an irreversible maoi.
Ok, enough preaching. sorry if i was too intense, i felt the need to do this
Posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 3:28:48
In reply to Re: To Lamdage » Lamdage, posted by floatingbridge on June 19, 2011, at 13:47:53
> Great slueth work!
>
> fbBehind enemy lines for you guys :P
Posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 14:24:11
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 3:28:48
I feel depression coming and i think it might get ugly. Do you guys have any idea what i might take with a short half life against depression??
What about tryptophan and mucuna pruriens?? Sth that doesnt have much of a washout and thus can be taken until the very day i start nardil?Please help, if im unlucky i got scammed and will get the nardil by the end of this month. This means 10 days time to fall into a black hole.. i feel im on the verge of it.
Even thought about smoking pot..Ideas?
Posted by zonked on June 20, 2011, at 17:00:07
In reply to seriously what can i take with a short half life??, posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 14:24:11
> Please help, if im unlucky i got scammed and will get the nardil by the end of this month. This means 10 days time to fall into a black hole.. i feel im on the verge of it.
> Even thought about smoking pot..
>
> Ideas?SWIM suggests that, if SWIY doesn't have addictive tendencies, perhaps SWIY might have some unresolved back pain that might warrant a doctor's visit. If benzos aren't enough for SWIY, perhaps SWIY's doctor could prescribe a mild opiod like Vicodin or Norco to alleviate such pain.
-z
Posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 18:00:28
In reply to Re: seriously what can i take with a short half life?? » Lamdage, posted by zonked on June 20, 2011, at 17:00:07
>
> > Please help, if im unlucky i got scammed and will get the nardil by the end of this month. This means 10 days time to fall into a black hole.. i feel im on the verge of it.
> > Even thought about smoking pot..
> >
> > Ideas?
>
> SWIM suggests that, if SWIY doesn't have addictive tendencies, perhaps SWIY might have some unresolved back pain that might warrant a doctor's visit. If benzos aren't enough for SWIY, perhaps SWIY's doctor could prescribe a mild opiod like Vicodin or Norco to alleviate such pain.
>
> -zSwim doesnt like the idea of going to a doctor too much. Hes been to a doc today supposedly to get nifedipine, but swim sat there and was like what the heck is swim doing here!? Swim has access to nifedipine. Why would swim want to talk to some doc who has no clue of maoi?? Swim realized he was just seeking adult approval of what hes doing, seeking some authority person to cling on and to abuse swim again. Repetition compulsion. Luckily swim realized what he was doing and headed straight out the office with a mere "i cant take this anylonger" to end this kind of self abuse.
its not only about the anxiety, its both really. Swim might be able to get some kratom but it will take a few days. This may be a good idea though. Unfortunately, unlike opiods, kratom cant be taken at the same time with nardil.
I can take Tryptophan right away, you may find this funny, while nardil is banned tryptophan is available at the pharmacy.
What i have here, too is gingko biloba.. ill throw in a decent dosage beginning tomorrow morning and go back to 150 wellbutrin.I hate that nardil is not happening yet and this adds to my depression.
Posted by zonked on June 20, 2011, at 18:22:39
In reply to Re: seriously what can i take with a short half life??, posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 18:00:28
>>
I can take Tryptophan right away, you may find this funny, while nardil is banned tryptophan is available at the pharmacy.
<<Believe it or not, until recently L-Tryptophan was only available as a prescription in the US while 5-HTP could be bought at any vitamin store. So it doesn't surprise me at all. Governments, sometimes, have really f*ck*d up rules and move rather slowly.
This all happened because one bad batch of L-Tryptophan made in a Japanese factory killed some people. One batch, from one manufacturer.
Don't worry bro. You'll get your Nardil and, if it works as well for you as it has for me and others in here, you'll be on your way to remission-land.
BTW: If you do ever make it back to California let me know and I'll treat you to lunch. =)
-z
Posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 6:43:19
In reply to Re: seriously what can i take with a short half life?? » Lamdage, posted by zonked on June 20, 2011, at 18:22:39
Thanks for the invite! Ill shoot you a babblmail.
Good news, my package arrived today at my friends place, ill go pick it up now.Damn i feel ease :)
> I can take Tryptophan right away, you may find this funny, while nardil is banned tryptophan is available at the pharmacy.
> <<
>
> Believe it or not, until recently L-Tryptophan was only available as a prescription in the US while 5-HTP could be bought at any vitamin store. So it doesn't surprise me at all. Governments, sometimes, have really f*ck*d up rules and move rather slowly.
>
> This all happened because one bad batch of L-Tryptophan made in a Japanese factory killed some people. One batch, from one manufacturer.
>
> Don't worry bro. You'll get your Nardil and, if it works as well for you as it has for me and others in here, you'll be on your way to remission-land.
>
> BTW: If you do ever make it back to California let me know and I'll treat you to lunch. =)
>
> -z
Posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 7:54:20
In reply to gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 6:43:19
> Thanks for the invite! Ill shoot you a babblmail.
> Good news, my package arrived today at my friends place, ill go pick it up now.
>
> Damn i feel ease :)
>Good! Now be patient with yourself, it took about two weeks and a dose increase from 45 to 60 before I began to feel better, but it has taken as long as a month (for me) before and 6 weeks or longer, still, for others. :-) Babble was one of my lifelines until I started to feel better so don't be shy to post if you still feel like sh*t until then...
Enjoy -
-z
Posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 9:59:57
In reply to Re: gr8 news » Lamdage, posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 7:54:20
> > Thanks for the invite! Ill shoot you a babblmail.
> > Good news, my package arrived today at my friends place, ill go pick it up now.
> >
> > Damn i feel ease :)
> >
>
> Good! Now be patient with yourself, it took about two weeks and a dose increase from 45 to 60 before I began to feel better, but it has taken as long as a month (for me) before and 6 weeks or longer, still, for others. :-) Babble was one of my lifelines until I started to feel better so don't be shy to post if you still feel like sh*t until then...
>
> Enjoy -
>
> -zIve been on it once in the states;) The brand is "Archimedes Pharma" from uk.. I can tell by the smell that theyre no sugar tabs. They smell lovely :D:D
It says store in the fridge at 2-8 celsius, this is what i just did.Cheers
Ld
Posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 11:23:14
In reply to Re: gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 9:59:57
Man i just read what i wrote back then... "i get alot of numbers to hang out or to do other stuff" i cant wait xD
See you in lala land!
Ld
Posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 14:27:24
In reply to Re: gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 11:23:14
>>
.. I can tell by the smell that theyre no sugar tabs. They smell lovely :D:D
<<
I always thought Nardil had a smell somewhere in between perfume and a skunk. (Anyone who's filled Nardil will know what I'm talking about.) Sounds like you got "the real deal."> Man i just read what i wrote back then... "i get alot of numbers to hang out or to do other stuff" i cant wait xD
>
> See you in lala land!
>
> LdLOL! Nardil is pretty amazing when it does work, congratulations! :-)
I've gained 3lbs since June 1. Oh f*ck*ng well! Better fat than dead!!!
-z
Posted by Lamdage on June 22, 2011, at 7:33:23
In reply to Re: gr8 news » Lamdage, posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 14:27:24
> >>
> .. I can tell by the smell that theyre no sugar tabs. They smell lovely :D:D
> <<
> I always thought Nardil had a smell somewhere in between perfume and a skunk. (Anyone who's filled Nardil will know what I'm talking about.) Sounds like you got "the real deal."
>It is this + a hint of adhesive solvent/chemical type smell. (i dont sniffle glue, just love the smell!)
As you all know swim has a great pdoc, who enabled swim to get a fill of provigil. Is Nardil+modafinil(provigil) safe? It seems ok from what ive found on the net.
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:21:59
In reply to Re: To Lamdage » hopefullynow, posted by zonked on June 19, 2011, at 8:40:18
Hello, fellows,
I was off internet and PC for a week by now.
It was kinda rehab, no tv, no stressful things.Now I'm back into thread and I'll try to respond to all that wrote and triede to help me ASAP.I live in Romania, Eastern Europe.
> > Unfortunately Maoi's in my country doesn't exist, like never happen.
>
> Curious, where do you live? Does your government's regulatory agency allow imports from other countries?
>
> The last time I went to Mexico, I made certain to stock up on Xanax. (Tafil en Espanol.)
>
> :-)
>
> -z
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:39:21
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 14:07:30
Lam,
Thank you a lot for your real work finding me a supplier !I have to tell that I did a little research on my own, and spoke with a few fellow sufferers and found out that there are some older psy docs that still preach MAOI's although they aren't available.
I think that they are wise enough to know what really work when they are dealing with a real treatment resistant case.
I already have a name and i will subscribe for a consultation these days.
For sure, he will not help me to get my hands on any MAOI, but he'll advice me how to titrate, I won't do any foolish thing to take it on my own like any candy bar.
I know the risks associated with Nardil and although I'm exasperated, I will be patient and ask for qualified experience.
> At this point i want to say a few words,
>
> i will not help anyone doing any grey area things and id like to advise anyone trying this to know exactly what you are doing and find a supportive doctor if there is any possibility to do so!
>
> If you handle it right its a safe med, but its very potent and the drug and food interactions can be fatal if dont know what youre doing.
> I even believe to have heard something about eye drops being dangerous with Maoi. Research extensively about anything you put into or even on your body. Read labels on foods and know what ingredients are red flags.
> The nifedipines purpose is not so you can have peace of mind and be careless.
> If you take too much of a dosage or take it without having severely high blood pressure you can quite easily DIE from it. Consider wearing a medical ID bracelet for docs to know whats going on in case of emergency.
> In one word do your homework if you really feel you need to do what im doing.
>
> No warranty that what ive written is complete. Im sure its not. There is alot of stuff to be aware of when taking an irreversible maoi.
>
> Ok, enough preaching. sorry if i was too intense, i felt the need to do this
>
>
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:46:38
In reply to seriously what can i take with a short half life??, posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 14:24:11
I saw that you are already on Wellbutrin.Maybe raising it to 300 mg/day and adding Xanax?
I found alprazolam to be mildly antidepressant for a brief period of time.I'm thinking about 2-3 mg / day divided in three doses.
Wellbutrin might prevent Xanax somnolence and sluggishness.
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:57:39
In reply to Re: gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 11:23:14
Did you received your package?
This is really great news !!!
I hope you'll write how's Nardil working.
You're a great guy !
Posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:06:16
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:39:21
> I have to tell that I did a little research on my own, and spoke with a few fellow sufferers and found out that there are some older psy docs that still preach MAOI's although they aren't available.
>
> I think that they are wise enough to know what really work when they are dealing with a real treatment resistant case.
>
> I already have a name and i will subscribe for a consultation these days.
>
> For sure, he will not help me to get my hands on any MAOI, but he'll advice me how to titrate, I won't do any foolish thing to take it on my own like any candy bar.
>
> I know the risks associated with Nardil and although I'm exasperated, I will be patient and ask for qualified experience.Good, i think it has a pretty good reason that it is not so easy to get ur hands on Nardil.. Well i didnt share a suppliers name, but the message i was wanting to get across is: if you want it/need it, go get it. Its only a question of how extreme of measures youre willing to take. If it helps, get it in freaking timbuktu ;)
Its great that you may find a competent pdoc! Youll have a much easier time/more peace of mind with a Maoi knowledgeable pdoc in place.
I too have been googling "maoi doctor" lol. Not successful. Any idea how to do this?Dosing is pretty straightforward really. Should you all of a sudden feel fine walking around your neighborhood naked thinking you are jesus, it may be time to reevaluate your dosage;) No seriously Nardil has the power to send me to the moon(caution advised!). It was exerting a powerful effect at 45mg. I am very happy about this fact, because there still is room to more than double this to 120mg. I think its VERY unlikely that nardil is ever gonna poop out on me. Probably i will do fine on 37.5 or 45 mg.
Wellbutrin isnt such a good idea, its contraindicated even though some babblers have done it. Furthermore Nardil, at least in its "new" form, is quite dopaminergic for me so when it kicks in i do not want to have wellbutrin intus.
I feel im becoming "slow" and sluggish, atypical depression coming back for sure. Yesterday at work people were a little bit like "whats wrong with you you are SLOW". Not great but its basically cooking fries etc as a minijob so i dont need it for survival. Hope they gonna keep calling me though.
Ramped the phenelzine up to 45 mg now. Got various sedatives/antimanics/antipsychotics in place in case the effect kicks in with too much strength.
Ld
Posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:23:13
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:06:16
Exasperated is exactly how im feeling! Imagine how pissed i am, came back from america thinking of nothing bad and then come to know that there is no doc in germany who is ever going to prescribe nardil to me. Ive almost wasted a year, alot of the time being suicidal and abused in some inhuman hospital. Basically my parents admitted me to the hospital and told them a whole bunch of lies. According to these lies i was treated. I thought id never come out of this hospital again and until this day i still have nightmaires from it. Id love to go and smash all their malicious heads.
Ive thought about taking them to court. Both my parents and these people at the hospital. I just dont have the strength to put up with so many blatant lies and ignorance.
Talking about psychiatric abuse.
A little off topic but this was very very bad for my emotional health.
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