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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 10:25:55
Friends,
You may be under the control of a mind-set that leads you to believe that taking mind-altering drugs;
A. Will keep you from killing yourself
B. Is what a psychiatrist told to do and they are correct because they are doctors and would not have one do what could be harmful to one.
C. The benifits of taking psychotropic drugs outweigh the risk that the drug(s) will cause one to kill themselves and/or others
D. there is no other way to treat depression except to take chemicals that alter the nerves in chemical responses
E. Some other mind-set that leads you to believe that you will be healed of depression if you find the right drug, the right dosage, the right combination and dosage of the combination of the drugs.
Here is a video that I would like those interested in posting in this thread to consider before posting here or in parallel tthreads.
Lou
To see this video;
A. pull up Google
B. Type in;
[youtube, psychotropic drugs, suicide, when children cry]
You will see a pic of a man with writing over his face. The vid was posted on May 7, 2007 and is 6 min long.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 11:48:07
In reply to A new life, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 10:25:55
> Friends,
> You may be under the control of a mind-set that leads you to believe that taking mind-altering drugs;
> A. Will keep you from killing yourself
> B. Is what a psychiatrist told to do and they are correct because they are doctors and would not have one do what could be harmful to one.
> C. The benifits of taking psychotropic drugs outweigh the risk that the drug(s) will cause one to kill themselves and/or others
> D. there is no other way to treat depression except to take chemicals that alter the nerves in chemical responses
> E. Some other mind-set that leads you to believe that you will be healed of depression if you find the right drug, the right dosage, the right combination and dosage of the combination of the drugs.
> Here is a video that I would like those interested in posting in this thread to consider before posting here or in parallel tthreads.
> Lou
> To see this video;
> A. pull up Google
> B. Type in;
> [youtube, psychotropic drugs, suicide, when children cry]
> You will see a pic of a man with writing over his face. The vid was posted on May 7, 2007 and is 6 min long.Friends,
Here is another video that I think has information in it that could have tthe potential to save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
Lou
To see this video,
A. Pull upp Google
B. Type in,
[youtube, psychiatric drugs, Antidepressants and school, suicide]
The video is 8 min and was posted on Sept., 12, 2007. There is a picture of a notable man
Posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2011, at 16:55:34
In reply to A new life-B, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 11:48:07
Lou you once said I feel that this a message board for sharing our personal experiences with meds? Could you also share your personal experiences with meds? I feel this would generate a lot of reponse. Was music a part of your experience? I do remember reading this a year or so ago? Please Phillipa ps could you share what meds you personally took, take, and your personal response to the meds?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 22:00:26
In reply to Re: A new life-B » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2011, at 16:55:34
> Lou you once said I feel that this a message board for sharing our personal experiences with meds? Could you also share your personal experiences with meds? I feel this would generate a lot of reponse. Was music a part of your experience? I do remember reading this a year or so ago? Please Phillipa ps could you share what meds you personally took, take, and your personal response to the meds?
Phillipa,
You wrote,[...could you share...].
You see, it has been revealed to me that there will be a time when one , if not prepared, could loose their life. It is a great and dreadful day. One will be in great tribulation and see death as a beast coming out of the sea. It has been revealed to me that If one is prepared, it will be a great time in the day. If one's mind is alterd, they may miss what it is and it will be a dreadful day.
And before people experiance the great and dreadful day, another will come from the dead before the great and dreadful day. This person will have been dead but is now alive and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children and the heart of the children to their fathers. And that person will point to another so that those that fear his name, the Sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2011, at 22:18:05
In reply to Lou's reply-thedehyovlrd » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2011, at 22:00:26
Lou please share you own personal experience with meds have you taken them, did you, what kind? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Laney on March 22, 2011, at 10:58:39
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thedehyovlrd » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 20, 2011, at 22:18:05
Lou,
Do you just expect people to drop their meds, watch a video and be released from all of this?
That's what I meant when I said you oversimplify the whole thing. You must know what I mean.
I'm sorry but I started taking psych drugs ill informed and here I am. I am still going to be saved from the "wrath to come", I am still loved by my Savior no matter how any psych drugs I took and you will never be able to convince me otherwise.
God still performs miracles - yes. Always, no. I sort of think your approach here on babble is doing more harm than good.
I think I said before, reach the folks before they get to drugs. Talk to doctors, whoever and inform them of other routes of help other than drugs. I think you can do a lot more help there.
Just my two cents.
Blessings,
Laney
Posted by Christ_empowered on March 22, 2011, at 13:26:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thedehyovlrd, posted by Laney on March 22, 2011, at 10:58:39
Medications are over-used, that is true, and psychiatry can destroy lives, that is also true, BUT...when psychiatrists limit themselves to treating severe problems that require medications, and then use medications judiciously, good things happen. I have found that my life has been improved dramatically by the use of antipsychotics, and I imagine the same is true of many people with severe mental illness.
Please realize that psychotropics, dangerous as they can sometimes be, have the potential to help a lot of people lead more productive, fulfilling, stable lives.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 16:29:12
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-thedehyovlrd, posted by Christ_empowered on March 22, 2011, at 13:26:45
> Medications are over-used, that is true, and psychiatry can destroy lives, that is also true, BUT...when psychiatrists limit themselves to treating severe problems that require medications, and then use medications judiciously, good things happen. I have found that my life has been improved dramatically by the use of antipsychotics, and I imagine the same is true of many people with severe mental illness.
>
> Please realize that psychotropics, dangerous as they can sometimes be, have the potential to help a lot of people lead more productive, fulfilling, stable lives.
>
> C_emp,
You wrote,[...medications are over-used...psychiatry can destroy lives...when psychiatrists limit themselves to treating severe problems...and use medications judiciously...people with severe mental illness...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Are there two classes of people that see a psychiatrist?
B. If so, could the two classes be those that do not have a [severe} mental illness and those that do have such?
C. If so, what are the criteria that psychiatrists use to mark the difference between those that do have a severe mental illness and those that do not, if you know?
D. If a drug prescribed by a psychiatrist lists the effect of the drug to have the potential to induce a mind-altered state that could cause the person taking the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others, would it have the potential to induce that state to a person that does not have severe mental illness and to a person that does have a severe mental illness?
E. other aspectsLou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 17:14:17
In reply to Lou's reply-phlzkunku » Christ_empowered, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 16:29:12
> > Medications are over-used, that is true, and psychiatry can destroy lives, that is also true, BUT...when psychiatrists limit themselves to treating severe problems that require medications, and then use medications judiciously, good things happen. I have found that my life has been improved dramatically by the use of antipsychotics, and I imagine the same is true of many people with severe mental illness.
> >
> > Please realize that psychotropics, dangerous as they can sometimes be, have the potential to help a lot of people lead more productive, fulfilling, stable lives.
> >
> > C_emp,
> You wrote,[...medications are over-used...psychiatry can destroy lives...when psychiatrists limit themselves to treating severe problems...and use medications judiciously...people with severe mental illness...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. Are there two classes of people that see a psychiatrist?
> B. If so, could the two classes be those that do not have a [severe} mental illness and those that do have such?
> C. If so, what are the criteria that psychiatrists use to mark the difference between those that do have a severe mental illness and those that do not, if you know?
> D. If a drug prescribed by a psychiatrist lists the effect of the drug to have the potential to induce a mind-altered state that could cause the person taking the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others, would it have the potential to induce that state to a person that does not have severe mental illness and to a person that does have a severe mental illness?
> E. other aspects
>
> Lou
>
> C_emp,
Now if you are wanting to mean here that there are the two catagories of people with either severe or not mental illness, let us consider what kind of community the person is in.
Let us suppose that the community that the person is in promotes religious intolernce by promulgating that Jews do not have forgiveness or Eternal life because they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. And let us supposse that the person is in a community that practices religious equality and honors all faiths aand peoples even if they do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Now if the person is in the community that promulgates what precludes Jews from forgivness and eternal life, which could mean that the Jewish children that were murdered do not have forgiveness or eternal life, which could have the potential to arouse antisemitic feelings, could the person with severe mental illness taking psychotropic drugs that the liturature states could induce a mind-alterd state to want them to kill themselves and/or others, then have the potential to target a Jew to murder if that state arises in them? And could the person that is demarked as not severe have that same potential to commit that same crime?
Lou
Posted by Christ_empowered on March 22, 2011, at 18:24:56
In reply to Lou's reply to C_emp-phlzkunku-B, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 17:14:17
OK, I don't mean this in a judgmental, harsh, or mean way, and I don't know you at all--all I have to go on are your posts here on PB--but I think maybe you might want to consider some sort of talk therapy or perhaps medication.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 19:49:02
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to C_emp-phlzkunku-B, posted by Christ_empowered on March 22, 2011, at 18:24:56
> OK, I don't mean this in a judgmental, harsh, or mean way, and I don't know you at all--all I have to go on are your posts here on PB--but I think maybe you might want to consider some sort of talk therapy or perhaps medication.
C_emp,
You wrote,[...all I have to go on are your posts here...talk therapy or medication...].
I am unsure as to what you are wantinng to mean here. If you could post answers to tthe following, then I could have tthe opportunity to respond accordingly.
A.If there is a post by me here that you used in your thinking to say that I might want to consider talk therapy or medicine, could you post the link to such here?
B. If so, what in the post by me is of such a nature that your thinking is that I consider having talk therapy or medicine?
C. Are you aware that around 42,000 people died from psychotropic drugs last year in some way?
D. Are you aware that in a community people can become indoctrinated?
E. Are you aware that the administration of a commmunity could use tactics to indoctrinate the people in the community to, let's say, arouse ill- will toward a group of people? Or one person in the community?
F. Are you aware that a psychiatrist could give a drug to someone that is suicidal, that could induce suicidality and/or the want to kill others?
G.other aspects
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2011, at 19:57:53
In reply to Lou's reply -deipheyuhm » Christ_empowered, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 19:49:02
Lou I feel that CE feels that based on your above posts you also could benefit with some theraphy and maybe a medication. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 20:03:27
In reply to Re: Lou's reply -deipheyuhm » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2011, at 19:57:53
> Lou I feel that CE feels that based on your above posts you also could benefit with some theraphy and maybe a medication. Phillipa
PHillipa,
If you think that there is something in the above posts that leads you to think that I could benefit from some therapy, and medication, could you post the statement in the post here?
Lou
Posted by Christ_empowered on March 22, 2011, at 20:50:34
In reply to Lou's reply -klbluv » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 20:03:27
I understand you don't approve of psychiatry's methods or medications. Fair enough; I think you have a point. I was (and am) simply saying that maybe you could consider talking to someone. Maybe not even a professional--a pastor, maybe, or even just a family member or friend.
Medication is serious, and it should be reserved for serious problems. I don't know if you have a serious problems--I kind of suspect that you do, but I could be completely wrong--but I do think you could benefit from talking to someone and maybe finding some new hobbies.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 21:04:49
In reply to Hey Lou, posted by Christ_empowered on March 22, 2011, at 20:50:34
> I understand you don't approve of psychiatry's methods or medications. Fair enough; I think you have a point. I was (and am) simply saying that maybe you could consider talking to someone. Maybe not even a professional--a pastor, maybe, or even just a family member or friend.
>
> Medication is serious, and it should be reserved for serious problems. I don't know if you have a serious problems--I kind of suspect that you do, but I could be completely wrong--but I do think you could benefit from talking to someone and maybe finding some new hobbies.
>
> C_emp,
You wrote,[...you have a point...consider talking to someone...serious problems...you do...finding new hobbies...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to thhe following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordinglyy.
A. What could you advise me to talk about with the {someone}?
B. What criteria do you use to suspect that I have a serious problem and what iss it?
C. You state that you could be wrong. If you are wrong, would you be willing to take the responsibility for any emotional or psychological distress that I may have had inflicted upon me by the nature of you posting here what you have, and what you posted is determined to be wrong?
D.What is it about the {hobbies}?
Lou
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 22, 2011, at 21:30:39
In reply to Lou's reply-dehephaham » Christ_empowered, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 21:04:49
Lou, even when I don't agree with peoples perspectives I feel they have a right to their opinion, with that said; I believe your time would be better spent at another forum, this forum is not for religious debate, and this forum is for support, advice, questions, and experiences, not anti-medicine, anti-dr, etc.
Posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2011, at 21:53:00
In reply to Lou's reply -klbluv » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 20:03:27
Lou please do not be upset as I feel most have your best interests at heart but when you get into discussions it feels like it can turns into anti-Semiticism.sp? Many Jewish people post on these boards and also take medications. I think you once posted about a med that caused you to hear music and it's won't go away. PLease correct me if I'm wrong. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 22:24:53
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dehephaham, posted by MatthewDavid on March 22, 2011, at 21:30:39
> Lou, even when I don't agree with peoples perspectives I feel they have a right to their opinion, with that said; I believe your time would be better spent at another forum, this forum is not for religious debate, and this forum is for support, advice, questions, and experiences, not anti-medicine, anti-dr, etc.
MD,
You wrote,[...your time...better spent...this forum is for support, advice,questions, and experiances, not anti-medicine, anti-dr, etc...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have tthe opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What criteria do you use, if any, to write here that my time would be better spent on another forum?
B. What is your conception of {support}?
C. Is there something that you see of my postings here that says that I am ant-medicine? If so, could you post the link to such? BTW, could you also post in any answer to that your conception of what constitutes a {medicine}?
D. Are you aware that no member here has to read what I post?
E. Are you aware that I am trying to save lives here and/or prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition?
F. other aspects
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2011, at 11:56:01
In reply to Re: Lou's reply -klbluv » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 22, 2011, at 21:53:00
> Lou please do not be upset as I feel most have your best interests at heart but when you get into discussions it feels like it can turns into anti-Semiticism.sp? Many Jewish people post on these boards and also take medications. I think you once posted about a med that caused you to hear music and it's won't go away. PLease correct me if I'm wrong. Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote,[...most have your best interest...when you get into discussions..turns into (anti-Semitism)...Jewish people post on these boarfds and also take medication...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Are there some that do not have my best interest here?
B. What criteria, if any, could you use to make such a determination?
C. What do you mean by ,[...can turns into anti-Semitism..]?
D. What is the significance, if any, of that there are Jewish people here on medicins?
E. Are you aware that indoctrination can happen here that could be a danger to the Jewish people?
Lou
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 23, 2011, at 16:54:58
In reply to Lou's reply-ihntnihnphlk » MatthewDavid, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 22:24:53
It's interesting any discussion, or attempt of a discussion with Lou results in a typical prewritten response that he already has, that he copies and paste's a series of questions, usually a-f, you could ask him any question or involve him in any discussion and he will simply copy and paste a predetermined response. All I can say is good lucky lou.
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 23, 2011, at 19:54:54
In reply to Lou's reply-ihntnihnphlk » MatthewDavid, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2011, at 22:24:53
Lou,
You wrote "a bunch of nonsense". I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. I left these questions to you as fill in the blank format
A. are you aware that you are ___________?
B. do you have any hobbies other than being an _________________?
C. ____________???
D. Are you aware that _______ member here has to read what I post?
E. Are you aware of your current ____________?
F. other aspects
MD
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2011, at 22:10:04
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ihntnihnphlk » Lou Pilder, posted by MatthewDavid on March 23, 2011, at 19:54:54
Lou if you would just post your personal experiences you would be a welcomed poster to a forum on med information for those who take them. No a-f for me. Phillipa
Posted by topcatclr on March 27, 2011, at 17:29:38
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ihntnihnphlk, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2011, at 22:10:04
Lou, Go __ yourself!
Posted by Deputy Racer on March 28, 2011, at 19:39:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ihntnihnphlk, posted by topcatclr on March 27, 2011, at 17:29:38
> Lou, Go __ yourself!
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Posted by JohnLA on October 15, 2011, at 4:16:50
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ihntnihnphlk, posted by topcatclr on March 27, 2011, at 17:29:38
hardest i have laughed in the last 19 months of my severe depression.
thank-you!
john
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