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Posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 6:54:38
It does discuss, to a degree, how "we" discuss meds and such here on the site. As a former frequent poster and now an rare to occ. one, I'm unsure whether to be proud... or to hide... hmmm...
Posted by linkadge on April 17, 2010, at 8:14:25
In reply to In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 6:54:38
I don't really see the issue.
Some people were asking about feeling relaxed or more sociable in a crowd. I don't have SAD, so I don't have any problem taking with people in social situations. I never have. So, if this is the treatment goal with phenelzine, whats the problem?
As far as not being able to cry when it is normal to cry...this should be discussed. If your medication does this to you, perhaps a medication switch would make you feel more normal.
The problem is that doctors have to make the patient's issues sound very clinical. Its their job. In the real world, the disorder expresses itself in many different ways. On boards like this, you can talk more about what your illness affects you (which may be very different from how it affects others).
For instance, suppose somebody said, "riding a motorcycle was awesome on prozac". Who cares? Unless, the medication is making them manic, then perhaps this is what relief from depression looks like to them. It certainly doesn't mean everbody is going to be able to pop prozac and have euphoric motorcycle experiences. This, instead, would be a misinterpretation on the part of the reader.
The other issue, is that boards like this do a better job at addressing the dynamic nature of affective disorders. What medication worked yesterday might not work today. Clinical doctrine dictates that patients get better on fixed medications doses for fixed lengths of time. Sometimes, however, an as needed approach (although traditionally resemblant drug abuse) may actually lead to a more favorable outcome. Afterall, the sense of hope comes from the belief in change.
Linkadge
Posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by linkadge on April 17, 2010, at 8:14:25
The "weird" post about the family member in intensive care and not being able to cry was my post. I wish this experience on the author of the article before he decides its weird. Also if they suffered with it for 7 years while not taking any medications maybe they'd be interested in hydergine and deprynyl too. Coward.
Posted by linkadge on April 17, 2010, at 10:38:19
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » linkadge, posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
Yeah, I'm guessing many things were taken out of context. Its not necessarily that people on this board want to tweak meds till they feel "perfect". People want to feel well. If there is something barring them from feeling well (whether it be a side effect or the disorder itself), then they should be entitled to discuss ways that this might be ameliorated.
We realize there are limitations to the medications, but sometimes there are switches and adjusments that translate to meaningful improvements for the patient.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 11:06:36
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by linkadge on April 17, 2010, at 10:38:19
Could someone post the link to the story as Floating Bridge did with the other Times article as never read newspapers or online ones for that matter hear it on radio or TV. Thanks Phillipa ps Anyone remember the article a few years back by an Amy someone about babble in the NYT's.
Posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 11:11:39
Good job, Dr. Bob!
Your work is most appreciated.
Regards,
Terry Matlen, ACSW
Posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 11:21:24
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 11:06:36
If you look at Dr. Bob's notation below header for board about the article the link is there.
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 12:51:47
In reply to Congrats on the NY Times Article, posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 11:11:39
Hi nice to meet you could you post a link to the article thanks Phillipa.
Posted by evenintherain on April 17, 2010, at 12:52:00
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 11:06:36
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18fob-Medium-t.html
it's in the magazine section of the Times this weekend.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2010, at 12:57:45
In reply to Congrats on the NY Times Article, posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 11:11:39
> Good job, Dr. Bob!
>
> Your work is most appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Terry Matlen, ACSWTerry Matlen,
You wrote,[...Good job...Your work..appreciated...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here.If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What is the {job} that you wrote as here?
1B. What are the criteria that you used to write that that {job} is |good|?
2B. What is the {work} that you are referring to?
C. Is the apprecitation from just you or are you including othere? If you are including others, who could those others be and how did you determine that they also appreciate the work
D. Have you explored this whole site and then made your determination that the job is good?
E. Do you support the use of amphetamines, such as Adderall, to be taken by children in anyplace in your group that you have a web site to, or do you write against such taking of that chemical?
F. Do you support, as in your group, the taking of amphetamines by adults?
G. other questions if the above are answerd here.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 13:01:44
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » Phillipa, posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 11:21:24
I just found that. Is that the extent of the article? Very short and sweet. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 13:03:25
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » Phillipa, posted by evenintherain on April 17, 2010, at 12:52:00
Thanks we don't get the newspaper as we never end up reading it. But is really is short. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 13:57:53
You're in the NYT link, too! See the tune in turn on post above--click pedr' s post.
:-D
Posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 15:04:39
In reply to Re: Congrats on the NY Times Article » terrym2442, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 12:51:47
The article I'm referring to is at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18fob-Medium-t.html
Lou, Dr. Bob is a pioneer in the field of offering online mental health resources. He and I are active in the International Society for Mental Health Online; that's where I heard about the NYT article.
Terry
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2010, at 15:44:33
In reply to Re: Congrats on the NY Times Article, posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 15:04:39
> The article I'm referring to is at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18fob-Medium-t.html
>
> Lou, Dr. Bob is a pioneer in the field of offering online mental health resources. He and I are active in the International Society for Mental Health Online; that's where I heard about the NYT article.
>
> TerryTerry,
You wrote,[...a pioneer...He and I..I heard...]
I am unsure as to if your reply to me here is what you are wanting to post as an answer or anserws to my questions to you in my previous post. If they are:
A. How do they answer my questions to you?
B. If they aer not, could you post here what your intentions are in posting what you posted to me as a reply to my questions to you? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 18:55:37
In reply to frustratedmama, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 18:53:34
FM--my phone double-posted, not me! Apologies,
fb
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 19:10:51
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » linkadge, posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
Conundrum, that was very bad journalism--insensitive AND inaccurate--someone's ignorant opinion. I'm sorry your experience was given that thoughtless spin.
:(
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 19:27:46
In reply to frustratedmama, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 13:57:53
FB she's famous. There was an Amy Harmon that posted an article in the NYT also a few years ago wonder if in the archieves? That is the name she posted under. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 19:30:43
In reply to darn my smart phone! » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 18:55:37
FB how did your phone do that? Love Phillipa
Posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 19:31:34
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » Glydin 2010, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 13:01:44
> I just found that. Is that the extent of the article?
~~~ As far as I know yes.
Very short and sweet.~~~ Well, it was thankfully short.
I have a twisted gut reaction to anything in the mass media that addresses what goes on here. Irrational I know, as this IS a public board. I know there are voyeurs and critiquers but I think I'm more comfortable when the window peekers don't write articles for mass media.....stangely, even if they appear S O M E W H A T positive. I feel a bit protective of the deep intimate feelings, opinions and concerns, however anonymously, voiced here. I don't like to see that digested and spit out for public consumption in magazine articles.Again, I know my feelings are irrational. This place is about as public as it gets... but those feelings are the ones I own about this type of thing.
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 19:32:19
In reply to Re: darn my smart phone! » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 19:30:43
I'm not smart enough to figure that out
:-D
Posted by Economist on April 17, 2010, at 19:34:54
In reply to Re: Congrats on the NY Times Article, posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 15:04:39
"Despite Hsiungs caution and control, weird threads pop up all the time, including, not long ago, one about how to love your family more through a pill. After voicing a traditional complaint Why am I not sad when I should be sad? "
What the. This isn't a weird thread. This is a serious concern and source of frustration for people with anhedonia.
Posted by Economist on April 17, 2010, at 19:38:28
In reply to In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 6:54:38
"Despite Hsiungs caution and control, weird threads pop up all the time, including, not long ago, one about how to love your family more through a pill. After voicing a traditional complaint Why am I not sad when I should be sad?"
Not being able to feel love and emotion towards friends and family is a serious concern and source of frustration for people with anhedonia. I'm a bit annoyed at the journalist finding it "weird". But I suppose this experience is difficult for people without anhedonia to comprehend.
Posted by Economist on April 17, 2010, at 19:41:33
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » linkadge, posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
Conundrum,
I was resentful too after reading that part where the author said it was "weird" to want to treat lack of emotion with medication. They have no idea what kind of purgatory we anhedonics are stuck in.
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 20:32:50
In reply to Re: darn my smart phone! » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 19:32:19
Ha Ha as I can't even get my cell to unlock to make a phonecall so never make them. I like my old cell phone an original. Oh a smartphone would definitely be dangerous in my hands!!!!! Phillipa
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