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Posted by Vincent_QC on March 29, 2009, at 8:19:32
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » Vincent_QC, posted by desolationrower on March 28, 2009, at 21:59:53
> catecholamines are effected by stimulants, tcas, amois, etc.
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> -d/rd/r...Still don't understand what kind of meds or drugs it can be??? Ritalin, Adderall, Cocaine, who act on the reuptake of DA or meds who work on the reuptake of NE like all the TCAs like Nortiptyline...or the Cymbalta or the new Pristiq for example??? Meds who act on the reuptake of SE are they act as catecholamines also???
As for the inhibition...is it the same as the reuptake? Someone told me is was not the same kind of action...pointing out the fact is was more good for anxiety taking a med who work by inhibiting the SE, NE and DA than acting by the reuptake of the SE, NE or the DA????
That's so complicated... I don't understand very well the principle of the meds who block the receptors...making the SE or NE or DA level more high in the brains...or the inihbithion who don't block it but make the brains produce more of the SE, NE or DA...?
Also as a reminder... dont forget the list of vitamins or any others things I have to get tested for my blood test please !!! lol Out of subject here!!! ;-) My appointment is in 2 weeks...
But well, to return in the subject... Since the social phobia is my main disease, but since also the general anxiety seem to be also the main disease since a while, I Can say by experience that all the drugs who act by blocking the receptors like the classics SSRI'S make me feel worse...decrease my motivation, decrease my energy level, make me fat, make me feel numb, my anxiety stay always the same, sometimes it's worse, even if I wait 3 months or more to see some improve at high doses....Same apply with stimulants...I get very excited, more focus but more anxious also, especially if im in a social event or if I get worried about my heart who begin to beat fast...I have a small ADD problem, I tend to not being able to finish what I start, not having order in my things, cant keep a budget and manage my money, that's why since I don't work I receive an amount of money at the begining of each month and after 1-2 weeks i'm out of money...it's burning in my hands...I was doing more than 20 000$-30 000$ each years before I fall sick again and I was a student at the same time and I never was able to keep money in my bank account, the pay day was like winning the lottery!!!
Anyway...Stimulants worse my social anxiety...give me some tics, some not volounters mouvements, muscles spasm, hands shake... and meds who block the NE seem to make my heart race at the speed of light...so got me anxious and tend to make me doing panic attack and over paranoid about my heart...
Only the MAOIs seem to be ok, they not worse my anxiety, my depression or anything else...they tend to make me tired...but that's usual for everyone I think...but they don't seem to help me a lot...just help to reduce the benzos intake...the problem is that I can't reach the effective dosage because of the heart effect (hypotension orthostatic and hypertension)... I still don't know if I can take something to reduce the hypertension on a MAOI...something smooth like Inderall... The other problem is that sometimes I have also hypotension on them...the blood pressure is never stable...one minute it's high, one minute after it'S very low... so I can imagine the meds for lowering my blodd pressure is not a good solution???
Anyway...long post for nothing as usual, I tend to repeat myself...and I know you don't like long post d/r...since I Can see you never write long answer... maybe it's in my imagination and you like reading long post also... I cannot judge you with some letters and numbers that appears on my laptop screen!!! Another of my problem...I Tend to judge easily the others people... I have to change this!!!
I have so much things in my head...can't just stop thinking ....
Thanks for your help d/r!!! You are very nice!
Have a good sunday and take care of you ok !
Vincent ;-)
Posted by garnet71 on March 29, 2009, at 8:58:13
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » garnet71, posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 14:36:45
And I suppose I also do a lot of grammaticals errors on that also (So much questions...so less answer) as usual...lol
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> I need some english courses and a boyfriend...can I get those in a 2 for 1 package???_______________________
Bon jour,
haha. Well I need some French courses and a boyfriend, so I'm looking for the same type of package :))
PLEASE don't worry about your English!! Your grammar is good and no worse than half of the people in the U.S.-seriously. I once had a teacher from China who had better English than about 90 percent of Americans. I recognized this the day I met her, and when I remarked about it later-she was shocked I had said that; but, it was no exaggeration. She had almost failed her English courses originally and she revealed how it hurt her self-esteem. She later got her PhD in linguistics. It made her very happy to hear that from an American.
Most people don't bother to check their grammar and spelling in informal settings/online communication. I've noticed on other forums, the grammar Nazis often call this out, contending language is being cheapened. However, it is inevitable that our communication style is changing as we evolve alongside technology. There is a lot of research going on to study how/if internet communication is changing our language dynamics or altering our cognition.
Besides, in a few years, China will be the country with the greatest number of English-speaking people. "Chinglish" might evolve to be the world language. Lots of Chinese are emmigrating to Africa, too, investing and starting businesses; spreading the language around and all.
No worries-you are a breath of fresh air here :))
Au revoir (see I remember 4 French words-impressive, huh?)
Posted by desolationrower on March 30, 2009, at 1:51:50
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » desolationrower, posted by Vincent_QC on March 29, 2009, at 8:19:32
catecholamines=NA,DA, adrenaline
-d/r
Posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » desolationrower, posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 9:21:22
Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
> > btw it works in part the same way nardil, by blocking metabolism of gaba. can have some nasty side effects of hair loss, weight gain. have you ever tried buspirone? i think one of those might be useful to replace the daily benzo, like the lyrica might be useful prn. it might work just to have a different type of medicine. still, i think for most people depakote is more side effects than a benzo. hope the apt goes well
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> > -d/r
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> I think benzos and all the others gaba-b type of meds works differently on everyone. Like I wrote yesterday, some people became addicted fast on benzos, others dont... Lyrica or Neurontin work on some people, for some people thats not working at all...
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> My point of view is ...the more comorbidities you have (example: Primary problem = SAD with comorbidities of GAD, panic disorder + agoraphobia, depression, BDD, ADD + fast addiction or past abuse of drugs or alcohol...) and harder your problem will be resolved... mean a lot of trials, therapies, combo... I also think the modern psychiatric medecine don't know really how the anxiety problems works in the brains... For some people, the SSRI's will work, for others like me the SSRI's will decrease their state...seem like the SE is not implicated in the anxiety process, at least the social anxiety... the med who work on the NE and DA seem to increase also the anxiety ... some people talk about the difference between meds who inhibt the SE, NE and DA VS the meds who block the reuptake of the SE, NE, DA...it's seem that the ones who block the reuptake increase the anxiety... so I wonder what are the meds who just do the inhibition of the SE, the NE or the DA ??? That'S the question...On some website, I read that some meds do both action...block the reuptake and inhibt it...so what is the diffirence??? Why one is more good than the other one... I don'T know... Why some people with social anxiety will react very well on stimulant drugs and improve...and why some people like me will decrease on them... at the same time, why I decrease also on drugs who produce a too much sedative effect or a too much relaxant effect???
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> So much questions...so less answer...I'm just totally lost...
Posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2009, at 21:48:55
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
Is there something that you would like to read? I understand above posts. Does anyone else not understand? Sometimes it can be difficult. What don't you understand? Just curious? Phillipa
Posted by ricker on May 16, 2009, at 22:15:58
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
> Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
Well, I'm thinking the name of the website may have a little to do with it. Sometimes, when you're not feeling well, grammar takes a back seat?
Cheers, Rick
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:39:00
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
> Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
>Because some people, like me, dont speak in english, that's not my mother tongue and I do my best to express myself and take a lot of times to write in english, even if it take me all my concentration do be able to do this...
If someone like you, don't understand that not everyone speak and write in english very well (BTW english is not the only one speak language in the world), at least you can't told US that we don't make some efforts to do it!!!
If you are not happy about my post, just dont read it. I don't know a lot of english people who will take the chance to write in french...
Think about it...
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:46:50
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » plenty, posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:39:00
> > Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
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> Because some people, like me, dont speak in english, that's not my mother tongue and I do my best to express myself and take a lot of times to write in english, even if it take me all my concentration do be able to do this...
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> If someone like you, don't understand that not everyone speak and write in english very well (BTW english is not the only one speak language in the world), at least you can't told US that we don't make some efforts to do it!!!
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> If you are not happy about my post, just dont read it. I don't know a lot of english people who will take the chance to write in french...
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> Think about it...Ho I'm lost here... Who write this at first???
> > Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
> >Is it Plenty???
Anyway, I add the name of the previous poster, I think it was ricker...and i'm sorry because I wasnt anger at you but at the person who wrote the nasty message about my grammaticals errors...again...
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:50:37
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what, posted by ricker on May 16, 2009, at 22:15:58
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> Well, I'm thinking the name of the website may have a little to do with it. Sometimes, when you're not feeling well, grammar takes a back seat?
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> Cheers, RickYou're so right Rick... add the fact that english is not my mother tongue and you will ending doing a lot of grammaticals errors also! My main problem is my verbs tense...the english expression...we use a lot of expression in french that cannot be traduce in english... I tend to do a "word by word" translation...so you see the result...Not very good...lol
Posted by ricker on May 17, 2009, at 12:01:01
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what, posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:50:37
Hi there Vincent, I think you express your self quite well!! I think whoever asked the original question must of had a bad day?
Take care..... Rick
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 12:16:12
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Vincent_QC, posted by ricker on May 17, 2009, at 12:01:01
> Hi there Vincent, I think you express your self quite well!! I think whoever asked the original question must of had a bad day?
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> Take care..... RickHo you are nice Rick ;-) I do my best...trust me... lol
Whoever...I dont even remember him...or her...anyway...I think it was an old post and that I had already reply to it... Sometimes I feel like I lost my head!!! I guess I will wake up one of these day and dont remember my own name... Thanks to the good benzo drugs who destroy my memory slowly!!! lol
Take care of you also mister !
Bye!
Vincent ;-)
Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2009, at 18:46:13
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » ricker, posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 12:16:12
Vincent you're so right I know no French at all. You do a fantastic job !!!! Love Phillipa
Posted by elanor roosevelt on May 18, 2009, at 10:02:38
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
> Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
Kiss off.
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on May 18, 2009, at 21:21:19
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
>Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
>Kiss off.
>the person who wrote the nasty message...
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, and please be sensitive to the feelings of others, even when yours may be hurt.
It might help to remember there are people posting here for whom English is not their first language. It would probably further a supportive atmosphere here if you just ask them (or others) to clarify things. And while it's fine to come to the defense of others (or sometimes ourselves) Dr. Bob asks we all remain civil while doing so - two wrongs don't make a right...
If you have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternate ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin, and should of course, be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
--10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Sigismund on May 18, 2009, at 21:32:32
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Vincent_QC, posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2009, at 18:46:13
We should have a day when we're not allowed to use our first language and see how we go.
Je voudrais acheter las drogas duras.
Posted by Phillipa on May 18, 2009, at 22:15:23
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what, posted by Sigismund on May 18, 2009, at 21:32:32
Sigi is that French? Didn't know you spoke other languages. Should have guessed you would. Love PJ
Posted by Sigismund on May 18, 2009, at 22:33:29
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on May 18, 2009, at 22:15:23
No hablo espanol pero voy a Cusco por lo estudiar.
Posted by VIncent_QC on May 19, 2009, at 5:14:07
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what, posted by Sigismund on May 18, 2009, at 21:32:32
> We should have a day when we're not allowed to use our first language and see how we go.
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> Je voudrais acheter las drogas duras.I think it's more a blend of French with some Spanish...
I can traduce it if you want...lol
"I would like to buy hard drugs"...
Funny...lol I can find a dealer for you if you want! hahaha ;-) I'm just kidding.
I just think some people lack of respect and didnt realize that we live in a world where at least 116 official languages exist. That's not because this website is in English that the people who lack some "pratice" and "learning" of this language don't have the right to to post some messages... at least we try and do the best we can...
That's better to try that do nothing at all...
Posted by Sigismund on May 19, 2009, at 19:39:47
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Sigismund, posted by VIncent_QC on May 19, 2009, at 5:14:07
1000 years ago the uneducated people who loaded the boats in the eastern Mediterranean could speak 10 languages well enough to take orders and do their business.
Posted by Phillipa on May 19, 2009, at 20:19:05
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » VIncent_QC, posted by Sigismund on May 19, 2009, at 19:39:47
Sigi so looking for drugs? Thanks Vincent you got him!!!! Love PJ
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 19, 2009, at 22:32:01
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » VIncent_QC, posted by Sigismund on May 19, 2009, at 19:39:47
> 1000 years ago the uneducated people who loaded the boats in the eastern Mediterranean could speak 10 languages well enough to take orders and do their business.
Interresting history fact... I wasnt award of this... ;-)
Well... I guess they didn't had meds who killed their memory at the times no??? lol I'm speaking aoubt benzo drugs, who make people, like me, numb...and dumb... lol ;-)
Well Jan, I don't have any merit... Thanks to the google traduction website...lol That's where I go when i'm searching for a word I don't know in english... but that's not alwayws 100% perfect...lol
Posted by Phillipa on May 20, 2009, at 0:06:47
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Sigismund, posted by Vincent_QC on May 19, 2009, at 22:32:01
Vincent you do a wonderful job with your language I'm very impressed with our correspondence and look forward to that. Love Jan
Posted by 10derHeart on May 20, 2009, at 0:12:50
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Vincent_QC, posted by Phillipa on May 20, 2009, at 0:06:47
..is all. Hope no one minds.
Posted by yxibow on May 20, 2009, at 1:02:10
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » Sigismund, posted by Vincent_QC on May 19, 2009, at 22:32:01
Its very understandable that people have trouble posting in complete sentences when they feel anxious and depressed...
...nonetheless, please don't jump on me but I do find it hard sometimes to comprehend some postings on here and I'm not going to direct it towards anyone in particular.
I guess one of my difficulties in parsing things is when there are no paragraphs or complete sentences.
A post is written like this:
Its been hard this week with the klonopin up 2 mg my doctor says that I have to keep trying with the bipolar things I dont know can anyone help me used to take depakote too
I'm really not trying to mock anyone but I can't understand postings like that. There's no sentence or paragraph. So its hard to respond at all.
And yes, I know for some English is not a first language.
Il est dommage .. mais j'ai oublié presque tous les français que j'ai étudié à l'université.(courtesy of Google.... parce que ... parce que ... J'ai oublié:)
I guess what I'm saying is.... that I can understand the frustration with trying to help people when things are incoherent........so I both understand why people can write incoherently and can sympathize and I can also understand the frustration so there's no need for the "f* that"....
...because while the post may have been harsh, there is something underlying it.
Oh, and with the Google translation (or any machine translation), its best to run the paragraph or page twice backwards -- that is, if you're going to write something, put it in and translate it into the language you want, and then put that result back in and put it back into your language.
If it doesn't make sense at all, there's a pretty good chance it won't make sense to a native speaker.-- Jay
Posted by Sigismund on May 20, 2009, at 3:05:39
In reply to just wanting to change the subject line, posted by 10derHeart on May 20, 2009, at 0:12:50
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