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Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 6, 2009, at 18:51:24
Are MAOI's anymore unsafe for the developing brain than say the SSRI's? Should one stay clear off them until around 25 years of age or what?
Posted by linkadge on May 6, 2009, at 21:30:34
In reply to MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 6, 2009, at 18:51:24
I don't think there is proof that any of these meds are *safe* for the developing brain. Its always a risk.
I would personally steer clear of MAOI's. They can profoundly disrupt normal sleep cycles which is bound to have a long term impact on normal neural development. In hindsight that is what messed me up more than anything was the lack of quality deep sleep from the ages of 17-25
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on May 6, 2009, at 21:31:01
In reply to MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 6, 2009, at 18:51:24
That is, lack of quality sleep resulting from SSRI useage.
Posted by shasling on May 6, 2009, at 23:01:07
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 6, 2009, at 21:30:34
> I don't think there is proof that any of these meds are *safe* for the developing brain. Its always a risk.
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> I would personally steer clear of MAOI's. They can profoundly disrupt normal sleep cycles which is bound to have a long term impact on normal neural development. In hindsight that is what messed me up more than anything was the lack of quality deep sleep from the ages of 17-25
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> LinkadgeAnyone who knows the gut wrenching relentess pain of depression knows its not fun,feels like death every day.
For many maois help lock this down,i feel the term you used STAY CLEAR is a bit much,yess the sleep is a factor,but lets clinch down on that depression and then look into sleep med options,so
to your post i say anyone who feels they have turned every corner and just want the pain to stop should absoluty research maois,this is a perfect example of how one persons phrasing can effect another user,as the orignal poster might feel maois are not an option for him due to your post.All the drugs have side effects,but think about what were fighting,a ruthless monster who will not stop,so please dont ever refrain from any med avaiable to you without checking many many sources opposed to a single posters view.
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 23:57:12
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by shasling on May 6, 2009, at 23:01:07
Shasling true but under age 25 have all other options been tried yet? I'd as you know be conservative. Just me. Love Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 7:52:02
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain. » shasling, posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 23:57:12
I figure that would be the counter argument.
Depression is usually temporary, but the changes you inflict upon your brain during this critical period of development are likely permanent.
I would certainly exhaust other alternatives first. If I could go back, I would have wished somebody would have started me on omega-3 oils sooner. From there I probably would have changed my diet around and perhaps added a little doxapin or remeron to help me sleep.
Linkadge
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 7, 2009, at 10:22:41
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 7:52:02
> I figure that would be the counter argument.
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> Depression is usually temporary, but the changes you inflict upon your brain during this critical period of development are likely permanent.
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> I would certainly exhaust other alternatives first. If I could go back, I would have wished somebody would have started me on omega-3 oils sooner. From there I probably would have changed my diet around and perhaps added a little doxapin or remeron to help me sleep.
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> Linkadge
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>Do the MAOI's effect sleep as profoundly as SSRI's? I for one hate insomnia. I don't know after coming off lexapro and pregabalin, I've had persistent sexual dysfuction and anhedonia + a lot of other stuff. I paid for some private blood tests and they tested low on free testosterone. Doctors so far just seem to want to send me off to another psychiatrist so I feel left out in the cold. These drugs have messed up my brain and body far more than it was before and I'm not quite sure how to fix it all being sick and broke'n all.
I'm 22 for the record and this sexual dysfunction a year AFTER meds is so depressing. As if I didn't have issues enough already. I read on that MAOI's like Selegine and Parnate have a positive effect on testosterone and hoping that they could help me out. But perhaps I should give it all a few more years, but I feel like i'm rotting up in the mean time. Before AD's, being charming and picking up girls was the one thing that gave me pleasure and exitement despite my otherwise unstable moods. Now I just feel like a grumpy old man who's willing to off himself because I have no more pleasures in life.
I can't exercise the way, I used to either, have no stamnia, no muscle. I've gone from more or less a marathonrunner to a sedentary cognitively slow young man. Things were not rosy before AD's otherwise I wouldn't have tried them, but this is far worse.
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 7, 2009, at 10:24:54
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 7:52:02
> I figure that would be the counter argument.
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> Depression is usually temporary, but the changes you inflict upon your brain during this critical period of development are likely permanent.
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> I would certainly exhaust other alternatives first. If I could go back, I would have wished somebody would have started me on omega-3 oils sooner. From there I probably would have changed my diet around and perhaps added a little doxapin or remeron to help me sleep.
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> Linkadge
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>Linkadge, what negative effects do you reckon you've had from AD's from using them at a young age?
Posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 17:23:09
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 7, 2009, at 10:22:41
The MAOI's generally cause more sleep issues than the SSRI's.
You might try wellbutrin.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 17:24:50
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 7, 2009, at 10:24:54
The main problems I have a movement issues, sexual issues, attention problems, hypersensitivity to light an sound, sleep rhythm problems and persistant anhendonia (a quality of which is different from my original depressed state)
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on May 7, 2009, at 20:17:05
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 7:52:02
Seriously how would you explain depression? As do you feel certain life events can cause it and then you adapt? Love Phillipa
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 8, 2009, at 7:57:11
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 17:24:50
> The main problems I have a movement issues, sexual issues, attention problems, hypersensitivity to light an sound, sleep rhythm problems and persistant anhendonia (a quality of which is different from my original depressed state)
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> LinkadgeWhat do you mean by sleep rhytme problems?
Posted by shasling on May 8, 2009, at 21:48:43
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 7:52:02
Theres no counter argument to your post,however do you think its fair to state to someone to stay clear of a med when you have users who were practialy saved by the med in question.You could have posted your post very easly without the maoi pun.
Posted by linkadge on May 10, 2009, at 9:25:43
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by shasling on May 8, 2009, at 21:48:43
These are just my own personal thoughts. People can do whatever they want.
Linkadge
Posted by desolationrower on May 13, 2009, at 12:43:16
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by linkadge on May 7, 2009, at 17:24:50
i think i've post about this before, but it is something thats hard to know for sure. though i'd expect most ADs to have this same risk, though since MAOIs are stronger drugs, the risk probably increases too. I don't know that theres really an answer to this, its just an unknown. being depressed and getting habits of anxiety, avoidance, fear, etc aren't goo either.
I guess i probably would take teh drugs if i were you, btu when i was your age i didn't take any drugs and it didn't work out well, so thats my own regret biasing things. I would be sure i had nutritional things down and had done at least a afew months of therapy though. good lukc.
-d/r
Posted by shasling on May 13, 2009, at 18:06:53
In reply to Re: MAOI's for the developing brain., posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on May 7, 2009, at 10:22:41
God i could have been posting your exact post word for word,amazing as far as posts go were identical twins
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