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Posted by Cseagraves on April 16, 2009, at 20:26:30
Hi to all!
So if the brain could heal itself, understanding that this would take some time, what could you do to help it?
Anybody have any ideas or what kind of doctor you would have to work with to help it? (other than a therapist. I already see one of them)
Courtney
Posted by sowhysosad on April 16, 2009, at 21:03:22
In reply to Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 16, 2009, at 20:26:30
I suppose exercise and nutrition would be the biggest help.
Only 3 hours a week of exercise boosts your neurotransmitters naturally.
Be wary of what you read about nutrition though, as it's an area that's plagued with pseudo-science and nonsense.
Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2009, at 21:29:44
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself? » Cseagraves, posted by sowhysosad on April 16, 2009, at 21:03:22
Makes sense to me. Might google healing brain be interesting what pops up?? Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 17, 2009, at 1:46:55
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2009, at 21:29:44
It's through self-awareness that through, maybe trama, feel helpless, rather through a disorder that is resistant to treatment's from doctor's.
Mainly, to explain it, when you have no love coming from the external world, or there is...yet, the mind doesnt realize it, maybe slight case of Borderline Personality/ can't make assumtions but it would be in the personality traits. You can't feel emotion, yet, passive agressiveness is good example, because people think man he/she's a b.^t.^ch, can't stand her.
You know these drama shows, or regular family life..."we'll things worked out"There is one case, that is above, yet i deal with it, someone who will gossip, think of the most worst, destruction, if they tired it....move on to something else, let's cut off the life support. I live with these people, i've made "direct" insult's that are reality maybe that would "re-realitize" there idiot minds...psychical attacks (past), abuse....that's a symptom, getting something to smash completly over, manipulation, enjoyment of it's sick, yet i've forgotten alot of it. Comment's to put down, police just drive by.... Hi! where havin fun. The main thing is, i gettin out of this place, never coming back. I want ot write this in history, these people can remain ananamous, but they are discusting. Bottem Line. ________________________________________________
Generally, when mental distress, or distress in anyform, effect's the quality of life. It can deground it, much. That's because, there is an anxiety/fear/pain/phobia that turns into sometimes "psyhical changes", a "outhere" case to release all that "distress" into the DNA. Face changes, body changes, depending on what cirmcumstance, "fear"....get more skinny, steath like.
Let me get the point, pain/mind will releaize something "distress call/emergency", the amygalda, frotal lobe, emotions. The mind can "semi-seperate" from that sector, a theroy: send nuerons/new connections, to give actual "love" or endophins to it, until the logic sector can figure out what to do to restore back "new".
The basic's, it's going to hard to understand: Innerlove/compassion on the exterior: say you hear someone that's helpless, stuck/ixcrusiating pain/so forth....depends if the heart is warm-cold, that you feel emotions, drowning, trapped in a filty place, near an end, response depending cold-warm heart, you usally get resouces to help, call, and save a life. Now, if this is interior, that's much more complex, but through innerlove, sector's can seperate off, yet send endorphins, as "love,life" to it'self, keep it sustained. More, your mind "knows" it's own hurt, personally.
Imagination, closing your eyes projecting a vision, support, not dealing with reality because it's external, can't help. It's, knowing your personality, personally, inner-awareness. After time, you know, how to operate in situation, adapt, sometimes i want say in harmony, but it's more of a light of life, people sense, it attract's. Depression, is "numb, sad, weary", inside, "i feel horrible, and i don't care about what's going on, hate reality"
-after, this can turn into emotional turmoil, to where you "can't" reach the world, it's touching a glass, but no a connection, you see, but don't feel inside. Feel alone, obvious...breakdown, can happen, but eventually the logic center "this is not normal, quaratine, the bad (damaged) sector's, send nueron's, new dentries to keep it sync. You just have to be aware that love can illiminate from it'self, even in the opposite, no life. The sub-cousncious part, is aware, be in "poilet" mode, while the "counsious" is recovering inside. Kinda the opposite of the norm, but that is a view. Or just a deep feeling "I believe in you" even though, it's the mind itself telling other damaged sector's.
Say, trama, from a "external hit", lose memory, psyhical cordination, lose some of your personality, still self-awareness of what's happened, Ok...i can't rerember incidences, lose time, lost control from damaged nerves to the spine. That, is one big case, but "visualize" and send signal's to your mind that you'r hurting, nothing making go away, please do something. Funny, cell's are not life, don't live, but somwhow, a "reorder" to rebuild from a strong inner belief, love. It can happen, though this is a theroy.Take Care....
rj
Posted by Zana on April 17, 2009, at 11:33:29
In reply to Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 16, 2009, at 20:26:30
I'm doubtful about the brain being able to heal itself. I know that my therapist thinks my depression could be overcome without meds. I think he's wrong. I think when the brain gets into the state we exerience as depression, real depression like you are describing, it needs medicine to heal. Meds can be our friends. Believe me I have very mixed feeling about meds. I am often wondering is it me or is it the provigil or the gabapentin or the pristiq. I don't like feeling that my mood, the very basics of who I am, are controlled by external factors eg meds. But I think the right meds can work. I don't know if the brain can then right itself. I'm not thinking about getting off meds. I'm thinking about optimizing the regime of meds I currently take. My advice to you would be to concentrate on getting your meds right. Maybe the MAOIs will be just what you need right now. I wouldn't be afraid to take a benzo if it works. Have you tried klonopin? It's one of the longer lasting benzos. You don't want to be on something that has a short half life. That will contribute to your ups and downs.
I'm not the psyched by the therapy you describe. I think you need more traditional, long term talk therapy.
It sounds as if you were feeling a little better when you posted. I hope so.Zana
Posted by bleauberry on April 17, 2009, at 14:54:35
In reply to Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 16, 2009, at 20:26:30
Can the brain heal itself? Well, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. Can the heart heal itself? Maybe with special diet and exercise some of the damage could be reversed? Could a damaged liver heal? Well, maybe with Milk Thistle and SAMe it could make a decent comeback. Can the eyes heal? Hmmm. Not sure about that. Well, you get my drift.
I think the potential is there to optimize what we have and to reverse damage.
Since the brain is a mystery, and actually most of modern medicine is, ways to improve and heal the brain are not fact. But some of the things that show up a lot are:
1. Omega3 fatty acid supplementation.
2. Anti-inflammatory diet.
3. Non-impact excercise.
4. Phosphatidyl Serene.
5. Acetyl-l-carnitine.
6. Meals and snacks that consist mostly of raw or barely cooked veggies and fruits, proteins from eggs, meats and nuts, and whole grain fiber...all of which are better if organically produced rather than synthetically produced.
7. Adherance to a regular sleep/wake cycle.
8. Any kind of stress reduction technique that works for you.
9. Pure filtered water, not tap water and not water in plastic bottles, making sure daily intake is generous.
10. Avoiding nervous system toxins such as amalgam fillings, any undo exposure to lead and mercury.And I am sure if we spoke to several naturpaths and integrative MDs the above list would be longer with a wider variety of supplements.
Posted by Cseagraves on April 17, 2009, at 18:02:40
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by bleauberry on April 17, 2009, at 14:54:35
Thanks for all the post.
I understand everyone is different and have different dxs. I'm not saying to anyone to give up their meds. If it works, it works. I'm just getting tired of the med roller coaster. From reading post here and other places like askapatient.com, it seems to be a constant battle to find something that really helps on a more permanent level.
I came across this article at www.antidepressantsfacts.com/reaction.htm. (Please read ) It describes me to a tee. Whatever happened to me a year and a half ago, came out of nowhere. I haven't had life long depression or anxiety (nothing out of the norm that I couldn't handle). I was on antidepressants from 2001 to 2005 after the death of my mom, then I came off and was fine be myself.
When I try to explain this fear or anxiety that I feel to someone, they don't understand. I don't even understand it myself because it is not a fear of any one thing.
But this article talks about being hypersensitive and that is actually what is going on with me now that I think about it. When someone presents a situation to me, I immediately feel the need to withdraw because it feels so overwhelming. The thought of cleaning my house makes me feel the same way. I have become completely agoraphobic.
It didn't make sense to me before, but now it kind of does. It's not so much fear, but I feel overwhelmed by the smallest things and then I start to feel anxietal and just want to stay inside and hide or avoid places and things.
Bright lights, loud sounds, things on tv, all of these things apply to how I feel and I thought it was all anxiety and panic attacks.
It seems to make more sense now as to why I have allergic or adverse reactions to ssri's and snri's.
Would it really be worth me trying another drug like Buspar, which interacts with your seratonin or an maoi like Nardil? Do you think these drugs would actually help someones whose nervous system is hypersensitive?
Or should I try to leave things alone for awhile and try to ride this out using maybe using just a benzo when only necessary? Kind of hard considering I feel like I am in flight or fright mode constantly. (Not sure if benzos effect seratonin).
I guess it would just depend on how long I can stand feeling this way and how I deal with it. If there is a way for my brain to actually heal itself, then to me it would be worth it.
I wish I understood more the chemical aspects of all of this stuff. (how certain meds effect brain and body). Is there a med out there that can help with a hypersensitive nervous system?
Opinions?
Courtney
Posted by sowhysosad on April 17, 2009, at 18:37:42
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 17, 2009, at 18:02:40
I found that article a few months back after suffering akathisia on an SSRI and thought it might have some useful advice. However, it seems full of quackery and unscientific speculation.
Is there any scientific evidence for "hyper-sensitivity of the nervous system"? It sounds like something Dr Nick would diagnose in "The Simpsons".
> I came across this article at www.antidepressantsfacts.com/reaction.htm. (Please read ) It describes me to a tee.
Posted by sowhysosad on April 17, 2009, at 18:43:26
In reply to Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 16, 2009, at 20:26:30
Here's something I stumbled upon which made me think of this thread: monosialoganglioside, an enzyme, can help to stabilise your brain by facilitating up and down-regulation of receptors.
Not sure if it's available in supplement form though.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 17, 2009, at 21:18:28
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by sowhysosad on April 17, 2009, at 18:37:42
I thank for who ever had this up, for the usage, because this is a "fact". To the publisher's, thank you.
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Long time back, i didnt know what, was "real" or not. Sometimes today, it's in disbelief, alot of events happened. That's personal, but I giving just a view, not fact, just to help from something's
Take care
rj
Posted by garnet71 on April 17, 2009, at 21:56:36
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 17, 2009, at 21:18:28
Thanks for the article, though it was triggering.
I have always used the term 'soul rape' to describe PTSD attributes. I've never seen it described like that--mental death. Actually, I've never before read such an accurate description of this concept until now, though I've read some news articles about what refugees have to go through. Though you don't have to be a refugee or political torture victim to experience the same psychological torture and subsequent change in pscyhe.
It's so sad. I think with political refugees in particular, the lack of identity is in part attributed to being singled out, stigmatized, and dehumanized from both the country you've fled to and the country you've fled from--which adds to the complications.
Posted by desolationrower on April 18, 2009, at 0:46:01
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself? » rjlockhart04-08, posted by garnet71 on April 17, 2009, at 21:56:36
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> It's so sad. I think with political refugees in particular, the lack of identity is in part attributed to being singled out, stigmatized, and dehumanized from both the country you've fled to and the country you've fled from--which adds to the complications.
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>i think identity is really about how one relates to others, what one's place in society is. (which might make combat type PTSD different and not quite as related to other mood/anxiety disorders, now that i think about it.) security in an acceptable (to oneself, not necessarily to others) social role is very important...
Courtney - i think focusing on brain may not be helpful directly...the sort of things that are good would just be habituating the brain into good activities, and maintaining good health. the brain is adatable, but in some ways we don't have real control over it, we just have to put it in a healthy environment.-d/r
Posted by garnet71 on April 18, 2009, at 0:49:16
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 17, 2009, at 1:46:55
You have a very creative, interesting way of looking at things, though i'd probably have to read this post 5 more times to grasp what you're saying in totality. Your writing style is difficult to follow, yet i sense a unique intelligence derived from what you've said. Could you possibly rewrite that comment?
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 18, 2009, at 2:05:59
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself? » rjlockhart04-08, posted by garnet71 on April 18, 2009, at 0:49:16
Yes....i know, mind thinks of examples really abstract, sometimes the wording is "out of place" I have edit, long posts, serious, people would think "what is it???"
<<Long time back, i didnt know what, was "real" or not. Sometimes today, it's in disbelief, alot of events happened. That's personal, but I giving just a view, not fact, just to help from something's
Take care
rj >>
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Better version:
It just goes back a far way, grew up, had fun, but lived on the edge, expecting something, people blew up at me (football, 3rd grade teacher, some people in the familia..)
That doesnt matter, alot, of the movies about reality today, i can understand, recent one. Seeing "finding happiness", i've researched before, i think is going through suffering and learning, knowing it goes on. More feeling "relieved", i got some air! oh no, go back down again "hold the breath!" (metaphore)Later, i didnt understand things, (catch on), nothing bad....happened, it just slowly happened over the years (3), then going through "hell" non stop, get in the bed, look at cieling, "God..?", Reality loses coharence for a while, "visuize" life, love, a memory, anything, close the eyes and bring life backm, because that releases endorphin's, subsitute for love, it's not love, but tell's the mind, "it's ok, hang on".
"Love" during sometime, in life, thinking about it,that memory, will release endorphin's because that was a "happy, time, frozen" Bad ones, Other's are put away, that's why memory can become "fragment's" because, it broke a pain threshold. The only way i can explain it, right now....
"Life, comes from the heart";)Take care..
rj
Posted by Cseagraves on April 18, 2009, at 11:19:30
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 18, 2009, at 2:05:59
Thanks for all the responses. Very interesting.
I guess what I am wondering now is since sssri's dont work, do you think that Nardil would be a good idea since it also works on dopamine?
In the article that I posted above, it says not to use anything to stimulate seratonin. Since I had the allergice reaction to zoloft a couple of weeks ago, the hypersensitivity has gotten worse.
Will look into the lamictal.
Thanks,
Courtney
Posted by sowhysosad on April 18, 2009, at 16:28:21
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 18, 2009, at 11:19:30
> In the article that I posted above, it says not to use anything to stimulate seratonin. Since I had the allergice reaction to zoloft a couple of weeks ago, the hypersensitivity has gotten worse.
Sounds like your problem's very similar to mine Courtney. I had a terrible reaction to generic Zoloft last year which resulted in akathisia and rebound depression. I then switched back to my old med Lexapro without a break but couldn't tolerate the agitation and anxiety, probably because my serotonin levels were still too high.
Probably wise to avoid serotonergic drugs or even all meds for a little while as they suggest, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to a site that warns you can get serotonin syndrome from SSRI monotherapy!
I've been on more noradrenergic meds (Remeron and lowish-dose imipramine) since then which have made me worse if anything, but will hopefully start on something more serotonergic next month.
A friend who had the same kind of reaction to Zoloft that we had was also put on a noradrenergic med (desipramine) and it hasn't dented her depression either.
Maybe after having a reaction to SSRI's the docs think we can't tolerate serotonin, whereas the issue might just be that we needed LESS serotonin - a lower dose of the med or a less powerful SSRI than Zoloft perhaps.
How long were you on the Zoloft before you had the reaction?
Posted by manic666 on April 23, 2009, at 4:39:38
In reply to Brain healing itself?, posted by Cseagraves on April 16, 2009, at 20:26:30
my brain would have to be taken out an jet washed .to see if there is still the 1 cell left ,i think he is ready to move out.
Posted by metric on April 24, 2009, at 20:30:18
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on April 18, 2009, at 2:05:59
Adding to what garnet said, my suggestion would be to practice writing concise declarative sentences in the active (as opposed to passive) voice. I can give you some examples if you'd like.
It might also help to imagine what you'd say to someone face-to-face, and type exactly as you'd speak it. (Of course, you might not want to do that if you're writing a formal paper, but this is an informal community.) I think you're trying to cram too much into a sentence. Try breaking your thoughts down into smaller pieces, and keep them simple.
With some practice I think you could communicate your ideas more effectively. Writing is very much an art and takes a lot of practice to do well, so don't get discouraged if you find the process difficult. Professional writers can spend a tremendous amount of time grappling with words and still be unhappy with the result.
I haven't slept in so long that I'll have to ask you to please forgive any incoherences in *my* message.
Posted by rjlockheart on April 26, 2009, at 13:32:33
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself? » rjlockhart04-08, posted by metric on April 24, 2009, at 20:30:18
Well,
You know, when i started just posting, for info, i posted just like everyone, short, didnt make sense, people didnt know what going on.
After time, it just.....came, after years. Not boasting, i think that's adapt, critized in the past "You make no sense"
Well....now i explain every aspect of it, with examples, if i don't look at what write, it will make "no-comprende.." "Is this person retarted?" Jk.....
Wish me luck right now...
rj
Posted by metric on April 27, 2009, at 21:37:27
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockheart on April 26, 2009, at 13:32:33
RJ,
I just glanced over some of your posts from several years ago (I've only been posting here about a month). Here's one, for example, which I found perfectly intelligible:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20051112/msgs/578430.html
There is a profound deterioration evident in your more recent posts. Do you have any idea what might account for this difference? Are you taking an antipsychotic? Antipsychotics are chemical lobotomies and intrinsic neurotoxins.
I don't give medical advise, but if you're on such a drug, stop taking it and see how you feel.
Posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2009, at 22:31:37
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself? » rjlockheart, posted by metric on April 27, 2009, at 21:37:27
Metric babblemail me. Love Phillipa
Posted by rjlockheart on May 2, 2009, at 19:46:44
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself? » rjlockheart, posted by metric on April 27, 2009, at 21:37:27
due.....i told you...in the past t, most embarrasing stuff. It's sick to me, that was 4 danm years ago.
Do you get it? or are playing games....i've war'd with alot of poster's in the past. All over something....dumb. The reality is right now, not the past.
Let me ask you a something: what's your point?
Posted by Phillipa on May 2, 2009, at 19:59:12
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockheart on May 2, 2009, at 19:46:44
RJ who is your message for? Love Phillipa
Posted by metric on May 4, 2009, at 14:42:36
In reply to Re: Brain healing itself?, posted by rjlockheart on May 2, 2009, at 19:46:44
> due.....i told you...in the past t, most embarrasing stuff. It's sick to me, that was 4 danm years ago.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say in the above passage.
> Do you get it? or are playing games....i've war'd with alot of poster's in the past. All over something....dumb. The reality is right now, not the past.
It's again unclear what you're trying to say here (above). You seem to be getting angry, so perhaps you've misinterpreted my message. Hopefully what I say below will clarify its intended meaning.
> Let me ask you a something: what's your point?
My point was that I found the writing style of some of your older messages much clearer and easier to read than your more recent messages. It therefore seemed plausible that a medication is contributing to your cognitive difficulties -- there could be other reasons. You appear capable of expressing yourself more clearly than you are now. That's all. No harm intended.
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