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Posted by JadeKelly on January 9, 2009, at 1:00:34
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et » ParnateStarted2008, posted by Sissy35 on January 8, 2009, at 14:27:21
> Thank you so much for your reply. I really needed to hear from someone that had been on nardil before trying parnate. I also switched from nardil to parnate without waiting. The doc told me it was ok. I had tried it before anyway so I was'nt worried about that.
> Reading your prior posts is one thing that kept me going especially during my I don't care about nothing phase at 30mg. that was as bad as being depressed.
> I am so used to taking the lowest dose of anything that I would never have upped the dose.
> The fact that I am actully writing on this board shows me something is working.
> I know I have a ways to go because I am not comfortabe in my own skin yet or feeling like myself yet, but it is better.
> QUESTION
> Is it Gabba that is in nardil and not parnate?
> that worried me the most. What if it was the gabba effect that helped me for so long.
>
> thank you
> sissy35
Hi Sissy,I actually don't know the answer to that question but we can certainly find out! I'll get back to you about it, if in the mean time it is really bothering you I imagine you could google it to find out something. Between the 2 of us we'll get the answer soon! Hope you are feeling better.
~Jade
Posted by desolationrower on January 9, 2009, at 15:17:20
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et » Sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 9, 2009, at 1:00:34
Yes, nardil has an effect on gaba (raises level of it by preventing breakdown). Both drugs have several effects that are not shared by the other. glad you're seeing some improvement.
-d/r
Posted by JadeKelly on January 9, 2009, at 22:35:01
In reply to JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et, posted by Sissy35 on January 6, 2009, at 23:28:35
Sissy, I just saw a posting from someone who follows Parnate, and he says there have been recent quality studies that show Parnate to have Gaba re-uptake properties. I can't provide documentation of these studies but I think this a good sign.
Hope you are feeling well today!
~Jade
Posted by Sissy35 on January 10, 2009, at 0:15:39
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et » Sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 9, 2009, at 22:35:01
Thank you Jade you are a jewel
Sissy35
Posted by desolationrower on January 10, 2009, at 1:30:04
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et » Sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 9, 2009, at 22:35:01
> Sissy, I just saw a posting from someone who follows Parnate, and he says there have been recent quality studies that show Parnate to have Gaba re-uptake properties. I can't provide documentation of these studies but I think this a good sign.
>
> Hope you are feeling well today!
>
> ~Jadehas it been published yet?
-d/r
Posted by JadeKelly on January 10, 2009, at 14:30:54
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et, posted by desolationrower on January 10, 2009, at 1:30:04
> > Sissy, I just saw a posting from someone who follows Parnate, and he says there have been recent quality studies that show Parnate to have Gaba re-uptake properties. I can't provide documentation of these studies but I think this a good sign.
> >
> > Hope you are feeling well today!
> >
> > ~Jade
>
> has it been published yet?
>
> -d/r
>Hi Sissy,
I think D/R wants me to clarify better what I meant when I said "I saw recent postings....and cannot provide documentation" That I am not aware of any published studies and cannot confirm these findings. (But I hope their true!) Hope you are well.
~Jade
Posted by JadeKelly on January 10, 2009, at 18:04:56
In reply to JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et, posted by Sissy35 on January 6, 2009, at 23:28:35
Hi Sissy,
Sorry to be selfish but I have a quick question for you! I post alot with Vincent who is also on Parnate until recently, but I saw your post saying that you feel a lot of tension in the evenings? Very strange timing because that just started happening to me in the last couple-few nights. For a little while its a panicky-tension that I can't figure out what the cause is.
My theories
1. A kind of withdrawal meaning its time to increase dose.(of Parnate)
2. Low blood sugar, as I'm not eating as much.
3. I take Ritalin, also, maybe too much stimulation (I only take 5mg 2XDay)
4. I started lithium about a week ago. Maybe side effects.Anyway, you are the only person I've talked to who has that evening tension. Figured anything out? I used to want to take a nap this time of day/eve.
Let me know if any of that makes sense to you and what you do for your tension.
Thanks!~Jade
Posted by Sissy35 on January 10, 2009, at 23:36:04
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et » Sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 10, 2009, at 18:04:56
Hi Jade, your not selfish you are a fellow adventurer. I have been thinking about the same thing. When I increased to 40mg the sides seemed to abate. Now the tension is back but not as bad yet(hows that for negative thinking?) Not going to bed until 4am is my concern too. Thats been a bad habit of mine since I got really depressed. I wonder if I took it earlier in the day if that would help. When do you take your dosage?
Something else I thought of is my BP is really low at nite and maybe this has something to do with it. So I started taking salt tablets at nite. Its funny haven;t used a salt shaker in over 25yrs but can't remember why! The ole ears start ringing again (thanks to prozac 5yrs ago) I also have a hard time getting to sleep now where I didn't at 30mg. Could be from all the years of nardil
With MS I am not used to so much stimulation I think if I increased at this point I would become manic like when I take provigil for tiredness. That was with nardil don't know as if I would trust it with parnate, but then again I don't need it now. Close to manic already.
I just surfed the net low blood pressure can cause anxiety. I thaught I remembered reading that. I know low blood sugar can too. And even though I dont care to eat find myself starving in the evening.
So do we see if this subsides as our system gets used to new changes or try to increase? I know nardil was a good 3 month hall until things settled down I doubt parnate is any different.
I also never had problems with any high bp like this time. Broke the dang machine (bad girl)
I know asking my doc is a waste of time I doubt he knows anything about parnate. Heck i have been percribing for myself since I was in my 20s never trusted drs after i went blind for 3 mos and they tell me its female problems.
We will put our heads together & figure this thing out!!!!!!!
Sissy35
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 0:06:54
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et, posted by Sissy35 on January 10, 2009, at 23:36:04
Sissy sorry to interrupt thread but something you just said stuck me low blood pressure causes anxiety? didn't know that will google it now. Prozac was bad med for you? Love Phillipa
Posted by JadeKelly on January 11, 2009, at 0:39:36
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et, posted by Sissy35 on January 10, 2009, at 23:36:04
Hi fellow adventurer,
I like the sound of that! Sounds optimistic. If we can all help each other with whatever puzzles come along, the more the merrier! Boy, we sound similar in our "traveling" patterns tho. I'm back to late nights. I DO get starving at night but I'm ashamed lots of times I'm just to lazy to fix anything. Or I haven't been to the Grocery and nothing sounds good. So I'm gonna work on that. I asked somebody in the know about that tension w/d feeling at times, I've been on my dose for almost a month.
So how are you holding up? Any new symptoms? I'm wondering, since you mentioned the tension, how long you have been at your current dose? I know You have said but are you at 30mg or 40mg? I'll get back to you about what the tension may mean compared to other explanations.
In the mean time, I'm sure we should eat our salt tablets, keep our elecrolites up (gatorade ha), and drink plenty of water. We should eat on time. We should go to bed early. AND I should remember that you taught a Dr. Burns course and all those "shoulds" are probably making you cringe! Sorry! Haha. I'll get back to you with what I find out re: W/D theory.
Your fellow traveler,
~Jade
Posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 11:53:48
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared(JadeKelly,et » Sissy35, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 0:06:54
You bet prozac was bad. My ears started to ring loudly after the first pill and hasn't stopped in 5yrs. I never researched what could have caused this. It is kinda a moot point because I am stuck with it. Also I felt so tense I wanted to pull the hair out of my head. I don't do well on stimulating drugs. thats why I have concerns about parnate.
sissy34
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 18:56:50
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared/Phillipa » Phillipa, posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 11:53:48
Prozac when wasn't depressed first day wallpapered a foyer had the paper for three years. Day two was anxious and hadn't been at all, and day three panic set in. And three days of xanax low dose to get back to normal. It was horrible. Love Phillipa
Posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 21:48:08
In reply to Re: JUST STARTED PARNATE; Boy AM I Scared/Phillipa » Sissy35, posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2009, at 18:56:50
Will post in morning I promised myself I would stop staying up until 4am anymore. Now lets see if I stick to it.
Love you and Thank you all!!!!
ps Can you tell its kicking in LOLSissy35
Posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 1:29:46
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR, posted by Sissy35 on January 11, 2009, at 21:48:08
Oh my poor Jade the Jewel that you are.
Does your hand hurt? I tried to worn you.Love and kiss the boo boo
Sissy35
Posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 9:12:43
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade, posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 1:29:46
> Oh my poor Jade the Jewel that you are.
> Does your hand hurt? I tried to worn you.
>
> Love and kiss the boo boo
> Sissy35Haha,
You mean from being slapped? or from the two days of posting I just did to make sure we were covered? I can't win Sissy!!Thank you, it feels much better now :)
Did you get to bed before 4am? I actually made it before midnight! Don't ask me how. I think it catches up to me. And how are you feeling?
~Jade
Posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 13:02:58
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade, posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 1:29:46
Hi Sissy,
Wanted to get back to you before I get buzy! I "talked" to scott about the tension, and the fact that I've been at 60mg for 4 weeks, and whats interesting is that he says from what he's seen, if you add that tension, together with with the fact that I'm still dreaming, is a good indicater its time to go up. Apparently when you are in a therapeutic range, you no longer dream!!!
Thats okay with me because my dreams are usually nightmares. Anyway, thought that interesting. He does prefice that with "its conjecture on his part". But, he's seen a lot. Talk with you soon.
~Jade- the little jewel? Is that how it goes? I feel good every time I see it :*)
Posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 16:49:37
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 13:02:58
I did really good last nite in bed by 3:55am. got to take baby steps here.
As far as what Scott says I am sure he is right. The guy is really smart! I trust him. As for me I may be ready for a maintience dosage. I am so high on 60mg a day. It could fade though. What do I know I am a traveler while Scott already got to the top of the mountain. But I feel the same way I did when nardil was working. Maybe switching so fast I didn't lose anything from the nardil and just gained from the parnate. I could be full of pie filling too.
After all you had 10 really good days than bam so It could happen to me too. Just gotta go with the flow and play it as it comes I guess.
Oh found a great way to keep blood sugar up and the hungries satisfied when I don't want to eat.
I got some ensure and some slimfast bars. Down in a flash.
I hope your hand is better(didn't know you had 2 slaps)Jade the little jewel. Plus all that posting. I tried to post as much as I could too.
One problem: don't agree with this public handslapping and public blocking. I always infrom the people in private. Doesn't seem like a good idea when so many are depressed and some are really fragile. Now watch me get it!talk at you soon jade the little jewel
sissy35
Posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 17:27:46
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » JadeKelly, posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 16:49:37
> I did really good last nite in bed by 3:55am. got to take baby steps here.
> As far as what Scott says I am sure he is right. The guy is really smart! I trust him. As for me I may be ready for a maintience dosage. I am so high on 60mg a day. It could fade though. What do I know I am a traveler while Scott already got to the top of the mountain. But I feel the same way I did when nardil was working. Maybe switching so fast I didn't lose anything from the nardil and just gained from the parnate. I could be full of pie filling too.
> After all you had 10 really good days than bam so It could happen to me too. Just gotta go with the flow and play it as it comes I guess.
> Oh found a great way to keep blood sugar up and the hungries satisfied when I don't want to eat.
> I got some ensure and some slimfast bars. Down in a flash.
> I hope your hand is better(didn't know you had 2 slaps)Jade the little jewel. Plus all that posting. I tried to post as much as I could too.
> One problem: don't agree with this public handslapping and public blocking. I always infrom the people in private. Doesn't seem like a good idea when so many are depressed and some are really fragile. Now watch me get it! > talk at you soon jade the little jewel
> sissy35Sissy,
you are a breath of fresh air. First, you just made me really hungry for pie! haha. And no, if you are feeling good at your dose you shouldn't go higher. Save that for if you need it! Ensure and SlimFast, I used to eat protien bars but stopped because of the soy protien. Have you been eating those without incident? I'll have to get a few boxes (for when I don't have any pie!)
Yeah, I think some get really upset. I'm just a little angry about the whole mess thats been made. I geuss if I don't like it I can take a break. I feel like I help people though and why shouldn't they get what I contribute because I'm angry at a few? I don't know. Anyway, good for you!! 3:55am? I think I'm gonna cry sniff sniff, I'm so proud! So wish me luck as up I go on my dose TODAY! :)
~Jade the little jewel~ that makes me smile
>
Posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 21:28:32
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 17:27:46
Sissy I am in awe! I'm speechless. I see I have much to learn. And you even returned to the scene of the crime! Genious. Bravo...you can't see me but I'm clapping right now.
So ya gonna go for 3:50am tonight? YOU CAN DO IT! Baby steps. My baby step is I'm gonna raise my Ritalin tomorrow and see if I can stop being so lazy/lethargic.
Thanks for the laugh! I needed one : )
~Jade tlj*
Posted by Justherself54 on January 12, 2009, at 22:39:33
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » JadeKelly, posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 16:49:37
I was under the impression that dietary replacements such as Slim Fast is a no-no on MAOI's. I may be mistaken. I found my BP was way more unstable on Parnate as opposed to Nardil. I had numerous spontaneous episodes of high BP on Parnate and I was extremely vigilant with regards to my diet.
I don't want to be a dark cloud, however, I'm a bit concerned as to the "no more fear" aspect of this thread. MAOI's must be taken along with a healthy dose of respect for their potential dangers. I would recommend that anyone on a MAOI wear a medic alert bracelet and if you are going to take any risks with food or meds to invest in a good cuff BP monitor.
Just my $.02 worth.
Posted by sissy35 on January 12, 2009, at 23:02:17
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » sissy35, posted by Justherself54 on January 12, 2009, at 22:39:33
The no more fear is no more fear of the side affects until the parnate kicks in.
I have had a medic alert bracelet for over 20yrs.
I do have a BP cuff and take it regulary.
My DR is the one who oked the slimfast bars and I have been keeping close eye over any flucuations in BP. We are just trying to put some lightness during a difficult time. We are really scarddy cats trying to be brave.
I thank you for your concern and your post will benefit anyone looking for info.
Thank you
Sissy35
Posted by desolationrower on January 16, 2009, at 1:49:37
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » sissy35, posted by Justherself54 on January 12, 2009, at 22:39:33
> I was under the impression that dietary replacements such as Slim Fast is a no-no on MAOI's. I may be mistaken. I found my BP was way more unstable on Parnate as opposed to Nardil. I had numerous spontaneous episodes of high BP on Parnate and I was extremely vigilant with regards to my diet.
>
> I don't want to be a dark cloud, however, I'm a bit concerned as to the "no more fear" aspect of this thread. MAOI's must be taken along with a healthy dose of respect for their potential dangers. I would recommend that anyone on a MAOI wear a medic alert bracelet and if you are going to take any risks with food or meds to invest in a good cuff BP monitor.
>
> Just my $.02 worth.
>
>
'dietary replacements' aren't are real food group like 'berries' or something. it really just depends on what the manufacturer put in there. i sort of want to pretend they are dangerous, just because why should anyone trying not to eat much wasted their time on fake food?-d/r
Posted by JadeKelly on January 16, 2009, at 18:58:09
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade, posted by desolationrower on January 16, 2009, at 1:49:37
> > I was under the impression that dietary replacements such as Slim Fast is a no-no on MAOI's. I may be mistaken. I found my BP was way more unstable on Parnate as opposed to Nardil. I had numerous spontaneous episodes of high BP on Parnate and I was extremely vigilant with regards to my diet.
> >
> > I don't want to be a dark cloud, however, I'm a bit concerned as to the "no more fear" aspect of this thread. MAOI's must be taken along with a healthy dose of respect for their potential dangers. I would recommend that anyone on a MAOI wear a medic alert bracelet and if you are going to take any risks with food or meds to invest in a good cuff BP monitor.
> >
> > Just my $.02 worth.
> >
> >
> 'dietary replacements' aren't are real food group like 'berries' or something. it really just depends on what the manufacturer put in there. i sort of want to pretend they are dangerous, just because why should anyone trying not to eat much wasted their time on fake food?
>
> -d/r
>
Oh go get a sense of humor...she probably left anyway. Who can blame her.
Posted by Justherself54 on January 17, 2009, at 0:52:35
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » desolationrower, posted by JadeKelly on January 16, 2009, at 18:58:09
<<Oh go get a sense of humor...she probably left anyway. Who can blame her.>>
I don't understand this sentence. Could you please explain?
Posted by JadeKelly on January 24, 2009, at 19:46:51
In reply to Re: ADVENTURES IN PARNATE /NO MORE FEAR/Jade » sissy35, posted by JadeKelly on January 12, 2009, at 17:27:46
Hello Fellow Parnate Adventurer!!
Sissy, I miss you!!
Just wanted to say hi to you from "the" site, and
say HURRY UP COMING BACK!! You see what trouble I get into when you're not around. Okay, I'll email you later ;-)Love,
Jade tlj*
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