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Posted by Trotter on December 26, 2008, at 15:44:12
I have had a chronic yeast problems (mild candidiasis) for 20 years. I manage it by avoiding carbohydrates, but I have never cured it. It is claimed chronic candidiasis can cause depression. I have long wondered about this.
I did eat a lot of probiotic yoghurt for a while, and I think that it did eventually improve my mood and sleep a bit. I discontinued the yoghurt because of problems related to consuming so much dairy.
Anyone else linked the two conditions? I am wondering whether I really need to get serious about controlling yeast if it is the underlying cause of my depression. Perhaps take an aggressive probiotic such as Threelac.
BTW, I'm male, so don't need any thrush tips :).
Trotter
Posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 18:35:54
In reply to Yeast and depression, posted by Trotter on December 26, 2008, at 15:44:12
Well maybe. I am reactive to yeast and I may have depression.
I did the usual thing with sugars and carbohydrates and took Nyastatin and probiotics for a year.
You know, I feel better than I did back then, but I dunno.
What's Threelac? Three types of lactobaccillus kind of thing?
Posted by bleauberry on December 26, 2008, at 19:06:31
In reply to Yeast and depression, posted by Trotter on December 26, 2008, at 15:44:12
Anything you can do to take strain off your system is going to help your brain and mood. Lowering the candida burden definitely qualifies. It could be and has been the major cause of depression for other people, simply because of all the endotoxins in the blood causing systemic inflammation and low grade poisoning.
Your efforts so far though have not been anywhere near as aggressive as they need to be. ThreeLac is a good idea, plus other probiotics, in addition to supplements that are known candida killers, such as grapefruit seed extract and pau d'arco extract. I know a guy who had severe candida who wiped it out in a month with those extracts. The diet and threelac alone will only make a small dent. It is a multi-angled approach that is needed...diet, probiotics, and candida killers.
As for probiotics, it might be suggested to get three different brands. Take one brand each day, continually rotating them day by day. In terms of dosage, you need to shoot for 5 to 10 times what it says on the bottle. The reason for different brands is to get a variety of different strains. Some brands do have a bunch of different strains. Usually the good refrigerated expensive ones. And yes, be sure it is a high quality refrigerated brand you are working with.
Posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 19:28:32
In reply to Re: Yeast and depression, posted by bleauberry on December 26, 2008, at 19:06:31
They're expensive though, aren't they?
It would be good to know how to get value for money with probiotics.
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2008, at 19:44:43
In reply to Re: Yeast and depression » bleauberry, posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 19:28:32
Google probiotics vitaminshoppe sells them. Also thrush is in the moth and digestive tract I think. Love Phillipa
Posted by Netch on December 27, 2008, at 9:07:33
In reply to Yeast and depression, posted by Trotter on December 26, 2008, at 15:44:12
Try a regular high dose vitamin d3 (4000-6000 IU)each day when without summer sun exposure
Posted by bleauberry on December 27, 2008, at 12:13:38
In reply to Re: Yeast and depression » bleauberry, posted by Sigismund on December 26, 2008, at 19:28:32
> They're expensive though, aren't they?
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> It would be good to know how to get value for money with probiotics.Yeah, darn, they are expensive ($25-$50 bottle) especially if doing multiple doses per day I believe really is needed. One could probably switch off and on, for example, do several doses of a cheaper probiotic during the day and one dose of a real good one. And help them flourish by eating a high fiber low sugar diet.
In the overall big picture though, when we get sick with mystery diseases such as depression, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromylagia, schizophrenia, anxiety, etc, by the time we have found some relief we have spent hundreds and thousands of dollars for doctor visits and meds and tests. So probiotics look like a pretty cheap trial. If they provide benefit, it should be evident with only one month supply, and then one could back off to a maintenance dose instead of an aggressive dose.
Back to the original topic, if someone were to look up the symptoms of candida overgrowth, depression is always there. Candida is but one suspect among many, but isn't too difficult or expensive to confirm it or rule it out.
Posted by JadeKelly on December 31, 2008, at 0:54:31
In reply to Re: Yeast and depression, posted by bleauberry on December 27, 2008, at 12:13:38
> > They're expensive though, aren't they?
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> > It would be good to know how to get value for money with probiotics.
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> Yeah, darn, they are expensive ($25-$50 bottle) especially if doing multiple doses per day I believe really is needed. One could probably switch off and on, for example, do several doses of a cheaper probiotic during the day and one dose of a real good one. And help them flourish by eating a high fiber low sugar diet.
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> In the overall big picture though, when we get sick with mystery diseases such as depression, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromylagia, schizophrenia, anxiety, etc, by the time we have found some relief we have spent hundreds and thousands of dollars for doctor visits and meds and tests. So probiotics look like a pretty cheap trial. If they provide benefit, it should be evident with only one month supply, and then one could back off to a maintenance dose instead of an aggressive dose.
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> Back to the original topic, if someone were to look up the symptoms of candida overgrowth, depression is always there. Candida is but one suspect among many, but isn't too difficult or expensive to confirm it or rule it out.I've never heard of this causing depression. How does one confirm it or rule it out? I was about to say why not antibiotics but they can cause it, can't they. Anyway, best way to confirm?
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Posted by bleauberry on December 31, 2008, at 15:47:05
In reply to Re: Yeast and depression » bleauberry, posted by JadeKelly on December 31, 2008, at 0:54:31
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> I've never heard of this causing depression. How does one confirm it or rule it out? I was about to say why not antibiotics but they can cause it, can't they. Anyway, best way to confirm?
> >Yeah, most people are not aware of the biological causes of depression. You are not alone in not ever hearing about it. Psychiatrists don't even know. It isn't their job. They are just there to attempt in a guessing game to lessen symptoms.
There are tests.
A simple home test is to spit in a glass of water first thing when you wake in the morning. Normal spit will just float as bubbles on the top of the water. Candida spit will have white strings and trails sink to the bottom within a few minutes up to an hour. This is a folklore test and I do not know its accuracy. I've wanted to try it with people who are perfectly normal, and they just say, "gross" and refuse.
Another test is a stool sample. But it is flawed, because it only shows what is happening in the lower colon.
Another test is a blood test for candida antibodies. It too is flawed because it won't show antibodies unless there is serious systemic infection throughout the body. And it assumes the immune system is working perfect, which in our cases here at pbabble it probably isn't.
The best test to confirm is called Organix Urine Dysbiosis from Metrametrix Labs. It measures the waste byproducts of various pathogens. Their waste is cleaned out of you through the kidneys. The end products are certain chemicals unique to the pathogens. Tiny amounts of them are normal, since we live in harmony with all kinds of pathogens including candida. But when there is an infestation or overgrowth, the chemical load is so large it shows up high concentrations in urine like a red flag. The telltale chemical byproduct of candida is measured in this urine test. You can go to the Metrametrix website and see sample reports of the test and how to read it.
Even without any tests, many people treat candida without confirmation. Symptoms alone can justify it. Treatment is usually healthy anyway, even without infestation, so there isn't much to lose. Treatment involves diets that starve candida of food, and just happen to be healthy for us, as well as supplements or meds that kill them, in addition to building up a strong army of good bacteria with heavy probiotics. Treatment usually takes at least a month and up to six months. If candida has burrowed into intestine linings, enough time has to pass during treatmetn to where those linings are naturally replaced, in the same way our skin or nails grow, killing candida the whole time as they are exposed.
Posted by JadeKelly on December 31, 2008, at 17:26:43
In reply to Re: Yeast and depression » JadeKelly, posted by bleauberry on December 31, 2008, at 15:47:05
Interesting stuff. I'm going to look into it. Its frustrating trying to tweak everything apart, taking "difficult" medications when it could be something obvious or easy to treat. There should be a health clinic that rules out all known natural causes of depression, etc., despite how uncommon they may seem. I saw a post recently that unidentified gum disease may be a cause of depression, or a contributer anyway. I went and flossed my teeth.
~Jade
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