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Posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:08:13
I know very much barbitures are not common at all, because they had there day, generation, and better things came out.
Well im on Xanax for anxiety, its cutting for anxiety, it does make it numb out. Xanax is very good for sleep, but it only lasts 2 hours, dont take it 2 hours before you to bed, it wear off, and you will feel more awake. Xanax has helped me so much to feel back to reality, from the absolute warped reality. See i do suffer from phobia's but there not just "phobia's" there R-E-A-L-I-T-Y keys, mind, everything! papers to do, god, im am very undisplined in thinking. Thanks why i dont think before i do things, which i have told my doctor (22 times) + the session + 2 faxxed letters that where long. He still refused, because mainly of my co-depenenent mother. She loves me so dearely, but it is getting to the point where im going to call her "dearest". She is very co-dependent and needs my help, even since child, me and my mother have smiled at eachother, but she has the control. And i think i stunted myself growing up. Plus the agony of Life's demands.
Well i know barbitures are outdated, but they may be very helpful (not that i dont know that they are toxic at doses)
Phenobarbital may help, (BUT IM NOT MY A DOCTOR (i know)) along with Lithium to keep me calm during the day. Most of the rest of them are for sleep. I already take Temazepam 30mg. I'm pretty fine with that so far, but Nembutal would very good at night, would shoot my nerves and i would be calm for a good while.
The medications im on for Anxiety, are Xanax.
Do you think any form of others can help?
plus im scared all the time. Need something to help focus and stop being afraid all the time inside. I put on many masks to cover up the real me, who is afraid, implulsive, hypersensitive to rejection, and feel im helpless (the max of all helpnessness)
Help
scared fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:25:58
In reply to Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:08:13
Klonopin(2004), Ativan(2005-2006), Xanax(current, and works the best), Zoloft (2003)(suididal on that),
I have heard of Nuerotin, and Lamatical, and i may switch from Zyprexa over to that or Lithium (i dont take Lithium right now, but to feel stabilized i think i need to!)
Ativan was a very mellow anti-anxiety medication, didnt feel much on 2mg at all.
Klonopin was very STRONG but causes mental depression very much, while on it. I thought i was on a Phenothozide) but you have to rerember i was on 2mg of Clonazepam at one time, it did help with mania, but it did cause depression at other times.A Barbiturate.........well, at this point my doctor doesnt know to do with me. Plus i've read about there toxitiy at high doses, which is scary.
What can help me just have stableness, peace? sometimes i dont feel i need peace (especially in the morning, but im at the worst in the morning, i have panic during waking up) Phenobarbital i've read is long acting and been around since 1912. But would it help me (im not the doctor or the person reading this)
I also have concentration issues, my life too much electricty.
Electric Fan
Posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2008, at 13:16:43
In reply to Re: i've been on alot of anti-anxiety meds, posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:25:58
Fan I don't think your doc will prescribe a barbiturate. Phillipa
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on March 9, 2008, at 14:38:34
In reply to Re: i've been on alot of anti-anxiety meds » your#1fan, posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2008, at 13:16:43
Fan, you mentioned zyprexa. I find that zyprexa and abilify mellow me out and help me organize my thinking, even the morning after I take them. What do you think?
-Ll
Posted by jms600 on March 9, 2008, at 16:15:57
In reply to Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:08:13
Have you considered another antipsychotic, other than Zyprexa, to help you??
Posted by dbc on March 9, 2008, at 16:49:33
In reply to Re: Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by jms600 on March 9, 2008, at 16:15:57
Like philipa said i doubt any of us have seen phenobarbital in the last 10 years if not more.
Posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 23:27:41
In reply to Re: i've been on alot of anti-anxiety meds » your#1fan, posted by Phillipa on March 9, 2008, at 13:16:43
I dont think so either, there old, and outdated. I did ask one time about Phenobarbital, he said "no" thats used in old cases, but i thought it might level me out through the day. But what i need is something to make me "feel" im with reality. More preferably an ADHD medication but i already discussed, it cant legally. he Prescribed me Ativan intead (2005). Plus i dont need to bring up a mecation to a doctor, because he's the doctor.
thankthanks
fan:)
Posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 23:33:47
In reply to Re: Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by dbc on March 9, 2008, at 16:49:33
its just i've read its been used since 1912 (96years of use) for stablizing patients, but its very old medication.
I just thought it might help with anxiety through the day (its long action). I was on Ativan 3 X daily. Which has a 6-hour duration, but it didnt cut the anxiety for me.
Thanks for your response
your#1fan - and listen i need some help right dealing with reality. I dont know how. But im your fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 23:38:46
In reply to Re: i've been on alot of anti-anxiety meds, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on March 9, 2008, at 14:38:34
Abilify? ok does it really help with concentration, because if it does and helps with moods than i think im going to ask that over Lithium, lithium i dread going on.
I have a VERY hard time with waking up, being nervous, panic attacks, then at night, during the day its sometimes dissociation (tune out reality) then at night im my best, mentally. But sometimes at night manic things can start, i have to take Zyprexa.
Thanks - abilify is really going to be considered over the peradic element Lithium.
your#1fan - stay with me.
Posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 23:53:58
In reply to Re: Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by jms600 on March 9, 2008, at 16:15:57
Well, i've been through medications, um.........there is Resperdial. But i hate that fact that its going to be sedating, mind-numbing, feel im on Thorazine.
Lithium i've been considering, but it isnt a good anti-psychotic.
Tongiht was very hard for me. I dont know if can take another day, because of poor ways of coping with life.
Im not making a big isse, i go to bed, even when i dont have school, im scared about tommorow. Bad.
But maybe a mind-dulling medication would be best. But in my opinion, a stimulant medication would be best because i would be able to keep up with myself, not having to constantly having a sting in my stomache, having to take .5mg Xanax PRN.
thanks
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 10, 2008, at 1:39:19
In reply to Re: Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's-jms600, posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 23:53:58
I need some advice, i never was abused at all when i was a kid, never, i was actually more nutured by my grandmother, its actually right now! that i feel i have to dissociatie myself from reality, im in my early 20's, and expereincing (some controlling abuse), co-dependent mother. I hope that i can get help with a counselor very quick, with Ms. Peters. I've about told her everything.Be with me.
fan
Posted by yxibow on March 10, 2008, at 13:03:32
In reply to Re: emotions unknown, posted by your#1fan on March 10, 2008, at 1:39:19
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> I need some advice, i never was abused at all when i was a kid, never, i was actually more nutured by my grandmother, its actually right now! that i feel i have to dissociatie myself from reality, im in my early 20's, and expereincing (some controlling abuse), co-dependent mother. I hope that i can get help with a counselor very quick, with Ms. Peters. I've about told her everything.
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> Be with me.
>
We're here -- and you definately don't want to dissasociate from reality because of current circumstances, its -can- be a mild form of psychosis or ideation to protect yourself from it, or a somatoform condition for the same, but the point is these things have a good result of being temporary in nature.It is not uncommon to have codependent issues of "leaving the nest" behind and a lot of other factor which I'm sure your therapist will discuss with you. If your insurance can afford it, or if your therapist is a test interpreting psychologist (usually better to have an independent party), I would suggest psychological testing.
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Posted by bluemonday1968 on March 10, 2008, at 13:19:55
In reply to Re: emotions unknown, posted by your#1fan on March 10, 2008, at 1:39:19
I took phenobarb was when I was younger for
siezures it makes you feel exactly the way you
would if you had a six pack of beer -drunk
Your no longer are nervous but your incapable
of doing and anything except fall down and
slur.When I was 15 I begged my doctor to take
me of of it.It may be good for a one time
emergency but thats it
Posted by Quintal on March 10, 2008, at 15:30:46
In reply to Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:08:13
I had a bottle of phenobarbital a few years ago and it wasn't very nice at all. As the poster above said, it just makes you feel numb and dizzy, exactly like when you've had too much to drink. Not recommended at all.
Q
Posted by 4WD on March 10, 2008, at 17:49:54
In reply to Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by your#1fan on March 9, 2008, at 0:08:13
I don't know if your doctor would be willing to prescribe barbiturate, especially the Nembutal. Boy would I love to get my hands on some Nembutal - it would make all my problems go away. But they would still be there when the happy cloud dissapated. It's a good thing I can't - I used to abuse pain meds and I'm sure I would abuse the Nembutal.
The phenobarbital might be a good idea. I don't know what kind of half life it has. Xanax has such a short half life I can't imagine it helping you much in the long run. I take Klonopin and a little bit of Valium. Neither alone gets rid of the horible anxiety you mentioned but if I mix them and take some Klonopin and some Valium together at midday, I am usually pretty much okay through the evening. I also take a morning dose of Klonopin. I am on a lot of anxiety meds - too much, I know, but I am doing what i have to to stay out of the hospital.
> plus im scared all the time. Need something to help focus and stop being afraid all the time inside. I put on many masks to cover up the real me, who is afraid, implulsive, hypersensitive to rejection, and feel im helpless (the max of all helpnessness)
>
> HelpBelieve me, I understand about the being scared all the time. It is a feeling for me like 100 times too much adrenaline surging through my body. Is that what yours is like?
Marsha
Posted by your#1fan on March 10, 2008, at 22:31:36
In reply to Re: emotions unknown » your#1fan, posted by yxibow on March 10, 2008, at 13:03:32
I dont want to create any personality, or maybe you said something about a somatoform of something, now what could that be? i've read on alternate personalites, i dont have any symptoms, yet i do dissociate, and feel there is another person that does tell me what to do with my mother (its my mother that has caused this person to retailate greatly against her).
Later in the future this person could actaully start coming out and controlling situations, because i feel im a helpless kid crying and i have no defenses, this other person that in my head has really gotten angry because she (its a female) she doensnt like my mother at all. She is with me in my head, to help me cope with this horrid situation of neglect, co-dependence, rages (she calms me down, from my mother) mainly all this chaos is resulted from my mother's lack of knowing what to do, she is stressed herself all the time, and stubborness to the fact of reality, that i need to get treated for ADHD. This all has turned into "one ball" of chaos, and i deal with.
1)Co-dependecy to my mother.
2)Controlling mother, and sometimes neglect.I should be at a age where i should take care of myself, but i still feel i need my mother.
I think many people should read this.
And one thing i need to do is, go back and read some of posts i have posted, and read it again, and the responses.
Thanks
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 10, 2008, at 22:36:56
In reply to Re: emotions unknown, posted by bluemonday1968 on March 10, 2008, at 13:19:55
I figured, i've read that it causes actually "hyperactivity" in patients. Phenobarbital is wierd.... but i know that it does last all day, and i dont want to be "drunk" on Phenobarbital all day.
Plus my doctor has said its used in old cases, but at this point, i've been on everything exept Lamicatal, diazpeam (which i doubt would help over xanax) and phenobarbital for anxiety.
Thanks..... i do not want to be drunk, drugged all day from any medication, Xanax only lasts 2 hours.
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 11, 2008, at 0:13:00
In reply to Re: Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's, posted by Quintal on March 10, 2008, at 15:30:46
Is it this stong, i just heard its calming. But i didnt know, i was on Klonopin, im telling you that Klonopin is just horrible...at high doses, you depressed very very, move like your on antipsychoics (feel lousy)
The only reason i looked on Phenobarb, is i read it was used in the past for anxiety and is still sometimes used for Epilipsy, but i dont know about anxiety. Plus, i read some article that Phenobarbital causes Hyperactivity.
See im on the "main" medication that is usally used for anxiety today as a last Xanax, but i've been through so many of them, expect Valium, my doc said its too addicting. Plus my mom comes in the sessions, she wants me to be treated for anxiety badly, but doenst want to help something to help me focus. Isnt that just wierd...
I've already had contervery about her, and i need to make a descion what im going to do about co-depenency. Just leave, but that will create bad problems in my head, and i will have to be with a psychologist alot. Because you see in my head, i have so many diffrent ways I act, one main is to cover my fear inside,
Indimidation of people
forgetting things
studdering (i've taken care of that pretty much)
people get the wrong perception of me (nuerotic) which i do act like when im my guard isnt upThe main fear is just waking up in the mornings looking out the window and being terribly afraid of life. I want to stay in bed. I live kinda miserably.
Sometimes i just like to fantizites and get away, think im someone else, and all the problems are put out of my head, peace, my fantasy. Everyone smiling, no indimiation, no ego trips. But in my head i have a stong imagination to make my fantasy reality.
Please hope it works. Because if it doenst i will be so depressed when i wake up later in life!
Fan
Posted by yxibow on March 11, 2008, at 0:16:58
In reply to Re: emotions unknown - yxibow, posted by your#1fan on March 10, 2008, at 22:31:36
> I dont want to create any personality, or maybe you said something about a somatoform of something, now what could that be? i've read on alternate personalites, i dont have any symptoms, yet i do dissociate, and feel there is another person that does tell me what to do with my mother (its my mother that has caused this person to retailate greatly against her).
>
> Later in the future this person could actaully start coming out and controlling situations, because i feel im a helpless kid crying and i have no defenses, this other person that in my head has really gotten angry because she (its a female) she doensnt like my mother at all. She is with me in my head, to help me cope with this horrid situation of neglect, co-dependence, rages (she calms me down, from my mother) mainly all this chaos is resulted from my mother's lack of knowing what to do, she is stressed herself all the time, and stubborness to the fact of reality, that i need to get treated for ADHD. This all has turned into "one ball" of chaos, and i deal with.But why do you think you need to get treated for ADHD -- is that a primary diagnosis, or are you just speculating that you have yet another pathology. It can be rather counterproductive to say I have a disorder, disorder, disorder.
It is perfectly natural for your mother not to know what exactly to do or react -- she's not the doctor or therapist. I would suggest a possible family session at some point when your therapist is comfortable doing that.
> 1)Co-dependecy to my mother.
> 2)Controlling mother, and sometimes neglect.
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> I should be at a age where i should take care of myself, but i still feel i need my mother.
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> I think many people should read this.
I'm 32 and I have become very dependent on my parents. Its not my fault, or malicious or malingering, or the guy in their parents basement. Its just unfortunate reality at the moment. We all have our own realities.They're also 10 years older than most people's parents would be at my age, because they are academics and decided to have me after they had settled down with their careers. Its very complicated but for me, its, for a lack of better words, because this is not a DSM-IV term, "peter pan syndrome.", plus some OCD and various other unpleasant visual somatiform problems and not feeling completely connected.
But I'm slowly trying to follow the mode of "Recovery therapy" with some help with medication.
You can read more about that from NAMI at
-- tidings
> And one thing i need to do is, go back and read some of posts i have posted, and read it again, and the responses.
>
> Thanks
>
> your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 11, 2008, at 0:24:30
In reply to Re: Phenobarbital for Anxiety or Benzo's » your#1fan, posted by 4WD on March 10, 2008, at 17:49:54
Nembutal was a medication that the famous Marilin Monroe overdosed on purpose, or set up that way....who knows? It is very dangerous because if abused it will be toxic. I believe she took 25. It would be good to take something and my all the fear go away, but its going to come back. Its part of your mind, how you see life.
But have read its good for sleep.
I was put on Temazepam, its ok, it calms agaitation at night, mainly before bed. A couple years ago...
You know i hate ADHD, because its what causes the anxiety i have because of reality hitting, i absentmindedly forgot my wallet in the car unlocked! undisplined! run like track star to my car after i realized it!
Yes! adrenaline going through the veins, my god, we have a gene in common! thats what i feel like alot. Head spinnin almost completly around, god the excorcist!
Where distant cousins or something Marsha. Im on Xanax for anxiety for day....
High five you'd you
fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 11, 2008, at 0:39:10
In reply to Re: emotions unknown - yxibow » your#1fan, posted by yxibow on March 11, 2008, at 0:16:58
you just said it! Peter pan Syndrome! i am behind socially that is the EXACT DEFINATION of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_syndrome
my god! i finally found out something. And then "Wendy" could she be the other person in my head? to help me out with co-depenecy? to break away from the source i think i need?
Listen, i dont ever, switch, but in the day, i'll dissociate if something bad happens, egg crackin on my head (this has nothing to do with my brother used to break egg's on my head that was a good my memory because thats my brother i miss) panic attacsk are a result of it. Being in control is what i want, power over my mind. And if there is a medciation that can help with that ADHD Vyvanse, Rililin, that would be best.
I google the Peter pan Syndrome, it is exactly how i am socially. I mask it alot! thank you for telling me about it! god i feel i just learned some news! thank god for this WEBSITE!
Ok....
where was i? i forgot, its 12:37am i got class in the morning.
Be back
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 11, 2008, at 0:44:31
In reply to Re: emotions unknown - yxibow, posted by your#1fan on March 11, 2008, at 0:39:10
read on Wendy, she is the person who helps with co-depency. She could be the other person back in my head that i never show, but helps me break away from my mother.
Im actually finding out stuff.....
thanks.
fan
Posted by Quintal on March 11, 2008, at 9:26:17
In reply to Re: For everyone really to read! - quintal, posted by your#1fan on March 11, 2008, at 0:13:00
Yes, phenobarbital is awful. I took Klonopin for years and didn't mind it, but phenobarb was something else. It isn't calming in a comforting way like Xanax is. It's more like Seroquel or high dose Zyprexa - just leaden sedation, and it lasts for days.
Q
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