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Posted by your#1fan on February 27, 2008, at 22:12:26
Ok, im writing papers right now, but i have to tell psychobabble what has happened today that has caused me to take Xanax to just keep my emotions under control.
I went to the doctor, he already knew about the severe abuse that took place 2 years ago. He legally cannot treat me for ADHD anymore. There is documentation of my abuse with Stimulants, and i wrote a letter to him STATING the intensity of this problem. He couldnt do any thing, because of the law.
He cannot even give me Wellbutrin, or stimulants because he is liable if something happens, if i go psychotic, or die. Which is ABSOLUTELY OUT of the situation. It would never get like that. I almost wanted to say, well i take Xanax, i have no problem with it, and you still prescribe me a very high dose of it. Its the stimulants in the past i had very bad problems with, and it is in my medical documention. As many letters i can write to my doctor, he cannot do anything because he Liable legally, IF anything happens with overdose with Stimulants. This is absolutly CRAZY!
I told him over and over, i will take anything you decide, but please "dont let me go untreated" please! "im very sorry fan, but i cannot do this, and you will have to cope with life as it is" I cried in the session, i said why, how could this happen! he only said im "sorry".
This is absolutly devesting to me because, he called a lawyer and discussed issues that happened. He legally CANNOT treat for ADHD with anything at this point.
Now part of this is because i did make some wrong descions in the past, but this was nearly 3 years ago. And my mother took part in it because she does not WANT ME on any stimulant. She told him everything, so he now knows what abuse that did take place. He refuses to treat, i asked him everytime, i begged him, even wellbutrin? he said "your not going to tell me how to treat you" Well the man IS NOT EVEN treating me at all for a condition that effects my everyday life, and mood of my life, because constantly i lose keys, lose track, people often really think im "slow", or just stupid and cuss me out. Caused emotional distress.
Im telling you babblers, i have put on so many "psychological" masks to cope with this. Today was awful, i came home in almost crying because i know that i cannot be treated for something that is vitally important for me.
What im asking and BEGIGING you what am i going to do? this is a crisis, i've been having emotional outbursts because i feel im hopeless... even now worse than back in 2006! this is horrible.
I cant.....my life is so chaotic, and then i now have a doctor, who is influced by my mother against mainly stimulants. With documentation that there was abuse, this means that i never can be treated again my whole life.
Oh god, what im going to do? there is nothing i can do now. I feel like priviate "Sanitiago" in the "A Few Good Men"(1992) stating his condition was getting worse, and still he had no treatment, or concerns. And eventaully died. Well im not going to die, ill tell you that. But this is going to be one hard life issues for the rest of my life. Im scared!
logging out.... i wish you luck.
but who ever reads this, please tell me your going to be with me.
your#1fan
Posted by Racer on February 27, 2008, at 23:49:00
In reply to Devesting News, posted by your#1fan on February 27, 2008, at 22:12:26
I think you know that many of us are with you. That sounds truly devastating for you, and I'm very sorry it happened.
Now I'm going to go back to my usual mode, and offer some thoughts on the subject:
First of all, saying you can never be treated for ADHD again in your entire life is a little extreme. This doctor has set some limits for you, limits which I think protect both of you. He has liability issues -- he knows that you've abused stimulants in the past, and if he prescribes them now and you *do* abuse them again, he might even lose his license. He's got no control whatsoever over whether you take the meds as directed or not, but he'd still face some serious consequences based on your behavior. The only way he can protect himself is to refuse to prescribe stimulants for you. I hope that you can understand that, despite your disappointment.
He's refused Wellbutrin and stimulants. That doesn't rule out every possible medication for ADHD -- there's Strattera, which might be more helpful if you weren't taking it along with another medication clearly labeled as contraindicated with it.
Have you considered getting a second opinion from another doctor? You've mentioned problems with this doctor in the past, and I wonder if maybe a new doctor would have some new ideas? Also, what is your current diagnosis? Is he treating you as depressed, bipolar, anxious, ADHD, or something entirely different? Does he know about the energy drinks you consume? Your other impulse control issues? It might be that you're being treated for something other than what ails you, which wouldn't be very helpful.
I wish you the very best of luck, and I hope that you're still seeing that counselor at school, and that that helps you.
Posted by your#1fan on February 28, 2008, at 0:19:16
In reply to Re: Devastating News » your#1fan, posted by Racer on February 27, 2008, at 23:49:00
I understand what you explained very well, about the liablity issue about losing his liscence as a doctor. And he knows, i stated to him MANY TIMES that i would not abuse stimulants. He said "im sorry but i cannot trust you", even if my mother concented saying "yes" he still could not do it.
Racer this is the most hardest day, i've had since my flipout in 2006. It was very hard today, it was like..........something that is so important and vital, and its gone untreated.
He will not even prescribe me Strattera, because i stated to him it does not work, i tried it for series of 6 weeks up to 40mg, which did not go well with Prozac. He told me many psychiatric medciations dont do well with "Prozac". But it has been the most wonderful Andidepressant that i have ever had, im not depressed at all, but im emotionally upset (i cant be depressed because Prozac blocks some emotions)
I then, in the last min of the session, he turned kind of "your on your own fan, good luck" i cant help you.....that was the most devestating, feeling of abandonment i ever had. My own psychiatrist......disowning me, because of reports of abuse (but that shouldnt make me look as a bad person, but it sure did in this case!) It was like dont let the door hit you in @ss after you walk out. It was a very draining, and decripling feeling i felt. I cried, got mad, i just couldnt take the fact, i was told "good luck, no medication", and "next patient please"
I have to ask you this, Will this stay on my Medical Doctumentation Record? (abuse of stimulants) for ever? i think it will. And when i do switch doctors, its going to be the same story over again. I hope not....:(
I am going to write a letter to all doctors that i see, that the amount of decripling stuff i do during the day AFFECTS my everyday living. They must well know this, and not say, nope, just do on your own. Im the WORST case of ADHD in probaly the whole state of Texas.
Yes i told him about the energy drinks, he said "well you would drink them with Dexedrine?" "yup you would, i cant trust you" I tried to argue and argue, NO! i would not! "im sorry fan, but i cannot trust you" GOD!
I came across in parts of my life, and found many people that take Adderall, and Dexedrine, and pfffff they abuse it, yet they get away with it. I can't. Im the one that was put on trial.
Im just sick of it! im going to proably have to go 2 years again, with no treatment. Whats next...a nerve breakdown?
Well thank you for your support Racer...and wish me luck because i have so many things to do, and so many things i worry about.
Its back to the Prozac/Xanax combination.
fan
Posted by Glydin on February 28, 2008, at 8:30:10
In reply to Re: Devastating News, posted by your#1fan on February 28, 2008, at 0:19:16
> I came across in parts of my life, and found many people that take Adderall, and Dexedrine, and pfffff they abuse it, yet they get away with it. I can't. Im the one that was put on trial.
~~~ You are being held accountable for your actions - is it "fair"? Maybe not... but it is a fact of your medical record, yes, according to you.According to your posts, you have from time to time been on a jonzing for stims. for quite some time. Some would say it's because you are so in touch with what you need as you know yourself so well. Others could say that intensity of focus could be the very reason you should not be prescribed such chemicals. What we think doesn't matter... that said, I think hanging out mental wellness hat on one idea will probably lead to disappointment. I honestly do not believe rainbows will invade all your life if you could just be on stims again... Again, what I believe doesn't matter.
I do care about your wellbeing and have for quite some time. If you're looking for encouragement, mine would come in the form of suggesting acceptance of the fact stims are no longer an option for you, move past that idea and embrace ideas/plans that could be a treatment. Also, effectively treating comorbid disorders may go a
l o n g way in helping your overall situation. It's unclear to me what you've got and what you don't as there are times you say one thing and times you deny.My advice: Treat what you can with what's available to you and don't waste time lamenting over what you can't have and is probably not a good idea anyways.
Posted by your#1fan on February 28, 2008, at 14:54:36
In reply to Re: Devastating News » your#1fan, posted by Glydin on February 28, 2008, at 8:30:10
Im really upset, this is just. Horrible. The severity im telling you of "non-focus" i put is off the charts, but my doctor now refuses, and disowns me because of something that took place 3 years ago?
I dont get it. Im just, people i know take Adderall, Vyvanse, Ritilin, and im a worse condition than they are! im all over the place, lose my keys, lose my binder, miss what the teacher said, what else..... constantly and CONSTANTLY being told over and over how to do something, and then be like "blank".
My hopes where so up before i went to go see him because i thought, by now he would understand by the amount of phone calls i made to him, about how bad im doing. AND THE LETTERS I WROTE HIM! stating ALL of the symptoms i go through every freaking day! Is that bad to call your doctor, about 15 times in maybe a month, telling him how bad im doing. Or is that considered annoying? i think he was annoyed because his additude was "dont let the door hit you you in the *ss". That was so devestating to me the way he came across, his opinion of me, thinking im some drug abuser, i did at 3 years ago.
But this time, i have so much, i dont know if im going to drop out of school i cant handle the amount of intesity collage demands for!
Im just so depressed he did this, what happened is he called a lawyer asking for advice, the lawyer told him that he would be liable for me, IF anything happened (i went psychotic, killed myself) BUT THESE THINGS are out of the question, they would never happen. That is oh, i take XANAX for panic attacks....he has no problem with that. Its stimulants he avoids. This is a problem, that is severe and not being treated.
Ill just take your advice, no stimulants, but im telling you its going to be a hard hard hard thing to cope with.
Thanks Gyldin, im going to go lay down. The enviorment, and control im under by my mother is whats hindering me. I've got to know when to get out and get the right treatment.
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on February 28, 2008, at 21:15:15
In reply to Devesting News, posted by your#1fan on February 27, 2008, at 22:12:26
please read this, i dont know what to do. I've gotton some advice.
Maybe DR-BOB needs to call my doctor and question his actions.
fan
Posted by upsndowns on February 29, 2008, at 14:11:55
In reply to Re: babblers...please turn into this!, posted by your#1fan on February 28, 2008, at 21:15:15
Just a thought, but would it cover your doc if you drew up a contract assuring him that you would not abuse the meds nor would you engage in life-threatening behaviors if he prescribed the stimulants for you? Then he could keep that in your file and it would potentially remove his liability issue. As I said, I am new to your issues, so this is just a thought. I know it is used a lot, worth a try.
Posted by Racer on February 29, 2008, at 15:47:08
In reply to Re: babblers...please turn into this!, posted by upsndowns on February 29, 2008, at 14:11:55
> Just a thought, but would it cover your doc if you drew up a contract assuring him that you would not abuse the meds nor would you engage in life-threatening behaviors if he prescribed the stimulants for you? As I said, I am new to your issues, so this is just a thought.
It's a good thought, although it sounds as though it's unlikely to make a difference in this case. I suspect that the doctor in question may see the frequent contact from this poster as being indicative of impulse control issues, which might not bode well for keeping up his side of the contract.
I'd also like to point out that liability is only *one* aspect to this: my guess is that the doctor also wants to do the best thing for his patient, and does not believe that stimulants would be in the patient's best interest. I think he's trying to protect the patient.
It's still a good thought, though, and it's one that most of us might do well to keep in mind if similar issues come up for us. (Along with my fall-back suggestion: second opinion...)
Posted by Dopamine123 on February 29, 2008, at 16:53:26
In reply to Re: Devastating News » your#1fan, posted by Racer on February 27, 2008, at 23:49:00
Well you could try a sole norepinephrine reputake inhibitor. Strattera is one, but there are other TCA antidepressants that are norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. They also increase dopamine in the prefrontal cortex (important for attention), but not the nucleus accumbens (the brains reward center), so they are not addictive. You could also try provigil, that is supposed to be non-addictive. Some of the atypical antipsychotics can also improve attention and concentration by increasing dopamine/norepinephrine in the prefrontal cortex. There are many other drugs you could try that might improve attention problems.
Posted by your#1fan on February 29, 2008, at 23:24:34
In reply to Re: Devastating News, posted by Dopamine123 on February 29, 2008, at 16:53:26
Right now the thing that would stop me, is MY MOTHER! NO STIMULANTS IN THIS HOUSE!
Like mommie dearest - NO WIRE HANGERS IN THE CLOSET!
That is a great idea, but "fan, im sorry but you can't be trusted" and then the fact his additude was "dont let the door hit you in *ss" was a big big statement, dont ask me ever, my mother was a part of this because she doesnt want me on stimulants. (even though there was evidence right now in his face that i have SEVERE ADHD symtoms).
Thank you, for that thought but im just sitting a duck in the water right now, i cant do anything.
Thanks.
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on February 29, 2008, at 23:32:14
In reply to Re: babblers...please turn into this! » upsndowns, posted by Racer on February 29, 2008, at 15:47:08
Racer, does this mean that i am "drug" seeking person by the frequency of 22 phone calls, and 2 faxed letters to him. Stating to him i was having such an emotional time, but maybe to him he "percived it" wrong. I had no intention for anything else......the thing was i would call him after something horrible happened, and tell him i cant no longer go with out ADHD treatment anymore. Most of the calls where ignored.
Im really mad because there was evidence right in his face that i did in fact, have issues, and i need to be treated for this. Then Mother Dearest came in and sabotoged alot. I was completely honest with him in the session, i told .... 3 years ago i was on Dexedrine and i had a abuse (but it wasnt severe at all, just i would take more) What happened was my mother made it seem like i was going to kill myself on it. That was the exagrattion, and the conviation that lead him to believe stimulants are not for me, "you cant be trusted".
My mother really i think has a personality disorder, because its like talking to brick wall. And then if i yell at her, im put on trial.
Hopes up...or down. I dont know...
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on February 29, 2008, at 23:39:28
In reply to Re: Devastating News, posted by Dopamine123 on February 29, 2008, at 16:53:26
Thanks for the advice.
At this point, dammit, forget stimulants, i need something in a hurry to help me concentrate! anything! Abilify? but if i demand these things to any doctor, they will refuse.
I mentioned Wellbutin to my doctor, he stated "your not a doctor, you insist on asking on medication instead of letting me treat you"
well it turns out, he didnt even do anything "i cant legally treat you for ADHD","Im sorry"! after the session im mean the door just hit me in *ss.
Awful Awful treatment. But at one time he was willing to listen to me, but now he thinks im some "substance abuser" thats not true!
But thanks..
your#1fan
Posted by rvanson on March 1, 2008, at 1:07:53
In reply to Re: Devastating News, posted by your#1fan on February 28, 2008, at 0:19:16
> I understand what you explained very well, about the liablity issue about losing his liscence as a doctor. And he knows, i stated to him MANY TIMES that i would not abuse stimulants. He said "im sorry but i cannot trust you", even if my mother concented saying "yes" he still could not do it.
>
> Racer this is the most hardest day, i've had since my flipout in 2006. It was very hard today, it was like..........something that is so important and vital, and its gone untreated.
>
> He will not even prescribe me Strattera, because i stated to him it does not work, i tried it for series of 6 weeks up to 40mg, which did not go well with Prozac. He told me many psychiatric medciations dont do well with "Prozac". But it has been the most wonderful Andidepressant that i have ever had, im not depressed at all, but im emotionally upset (i cant be depressed because Prozac blocks some emotions)
>
> I then, in the last min of the session, he turned kind of "your on your own fan, good luck" i cant help you.....that was the most devestating, feeling of abandonment i ever had. My own psychiatrist......disowning me, because of reports of abuse (but that shouldnt make me look as a bad person, but it sure did in this case!) It was like dont let the door hit you in @ss after you walk out. It was a very draining, and decripling feeling i felt. I cried, got mad, i just couldnt take the fact, i was told "good luck, no medication", and "next patient please"
>
> I have to ask you this, Will this stay on my Medical Doctumentation Record? (abuse of stimulants) for ever? i think it will. And when i do switch doctors, its going to be the same story over again. I hope not....:(
>
> I am going to write a letter to all doctors that i see, that the amount of decripling stuff i do during the day AFFECTS my everyday living. They must well know this, and not say, nope, just do on your own. Im the WORST case of ADHD in probaly the whole state of Texas.
>
> Yes i told him about the energy drinks, he said "well you would drink them with Dexedrine?" "yup you would, i cant trust you" I tried to argue and argue, NO! i would not! "im sorry fan, but i cannot trust you" GOD!
>
> I came across in parts of my life, and found many people that take Adderall, and Dexedrine, and pfffff they abuse it, yet they get away with it. I can't. Im the one that was put on trial.
>
> Im just sick of it! im going to proably have to go 2 years again, with no treatment. Whats next...a nerve breakdown?
>
> Well thank you for your support Racer...and wish me luck because i have so many things to do, and so many things i worry about.
>
> Its back to the Prozac/Xanax combination.
>
> fanWith well over 25 years under my belt dealing with mental illness, having had a Pdoc dump me and all his patients with a "good-bye" letter and no references to another doctor, while on his way to work for one of the large pharmaceutical (drug companies) my advice to you is:
*DUMP THIS CHUMP* and run, don't walk away and NEVER look back!
Pdocs like this clown give the few good Pdocs a out there bad name, IMO.
Good luck, #1 !
Posted by Racer on March 1, 2008, at 18:30:44
In reply to Re: babblers...please turn into this! - Racer, posted by your#1fan on February 29, 2008, at 23:32:14
> Racer, does this mean that i am "drug" seeking person by the frequency of 22 phone calls, and 2 faxed letters to him.
I think, if you re-read what I wrote, I suggested that your doctor could have interpreted the frequency of your contact with him as indicating impulse control issues. If I had meant that you were engaging in drug seeking behavior, I would have said exactly that. Since I didn't say that, how about we start from the assumption that it's not what I meant?
I'm pretty careful about what I write, especially when I am writing to you. I will admit that I do try to protect your feelings when I write to you, but I don't do it by saying one thing when I mean something else entirely.
I'm going to try something here, and I hope you are in a state to take it in. I'm going to go through some of the sorts of critical thinking exercises I try to use whenever I run into problems, and maybe they'll help you. Obviously, since I'm on the outside of this situation, it'll be easier for me -- my emotions aren't as engaged as yours are, so I might be able to see some aspects that you might not right now. Let's see how this goes, 'K?
First of all, something happens a lot in situations like this -- in fact, I'm in a real-life situation that has a lot in common with this, and it's happening in that situation, too. What happens is that people lose sight of the real problem -- everyone is so caught up in trying to explain why their side is the correct one, that they forget to take a step back and see if there's another option. It's really too bad when a doctor gets caught up that way, but from the sounds of it, it may be that it is what has happened here.
From what you've posted here, your side of it is that you have severe ADHD, and need stimulants to treat it.
Your doctor's side is that you can't be trusted with stimulants, and so he won't treat you for ADHD.
That's pretty simple, isn't it?
Do you notice what's missing? Two points if you notice that NEITHER ONE OF YOU has even mentioned the real problem!
The real problem right now is that you're experiencing a great deal of distress, which is impairing your ability to function, and it's not being adequately treated!
If we start from that position, there are a lot of solutions open to us that weren't there as long as you and he were locked into a struggle over ADHD and stimulants.
Now I'd like you to stop here, and let me know what you think? What I'd really like, in fact, is for you to say what you think you've understood, in your own words. I'll write a second post, with the rest of what I've got to say, but I hope you'll stop here and post back what you understood in your own words.
The point of the "restate in your own words" exercise is so that we can check in and make sure we're actually communicating. It's a good exercise, and I think it's one that you'd benefit from using when you see your doctor. Practice it here, with me, and maybe it'll help you in other areas of your life.
Posted by Racer on March 1, 2008, at 18:51:53
In reply to Re: Devastating News - dopamine123, posted by your#1fan on February 29, 2008, at 23:39:28
> At this point, dammit, forget stimulants, i need something in a hurry to help me concentrate! anything! Abilify? but if i demand these things to any doctor, they will refuse.
>
> I mentioned Wellbutin to my doctor, he stated "your not a doctor, you insist on asking on medication instead of letting me treat you"
>
I've left those statements from your post, because I think they help illustrate the problem I mentioned before -- that people often lose sight of the real problem, because they're focusing on what they think is the solution.Quick and dirty, here are the sorts of symptoms you've been writing about here:
Lack of focus
Emotional outbursts
Losing things
Mood swings
Brief and intense anger
Inability to concentrate
Impulsive actionsI'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but those are enough for the point I want to make.
You've been attributing these problems to ADHD, but you really haven't been talking about them as distinct symptoms -- you're using the diagnosis, which obscures the issue. Your doctor is absolutely correct about something: you're not a doctor, and you are asking for specific medications instead of letting him treat you. The only thing that I've ever seen happen with that sort of dynamic is -- nothing good for the patient. The problem isn't that doctors are bad, the problem isn't that you're not smart enough to figure out what you need, the problem isn't anything personal at all -- the problem is that doctors are human beings. It's pretty basic -- in that situation, you and he both get some ego involvement, and make no mistake: the doctor wins. The doctor has the prescription pad, and that's the only thing that really matters. The only way I can think of to change the dynamics and work towards a solution is to change the playing field. The question is, how can that be done?
My suggestion is to write down the specific SYMPTOMS you're having trouble with, and take that in to your next appointment. Carry around a little notepad, and make a note of all the problems you have as they come up. At the end of each week, check and see what sorts of themes come up. Use those to discuss SYMPTOMS with your doctor, NOT diagnosis. Don't offer him a diagnosis to agree with or disagree with -- just describe your symptoms and let him offer a diagnosis.
And once he's done that, ask him what he suggests for treatment?
You might start out by telling him that you aren't going to ask him to treat your ADHD. You're going to tell him the symptoms you're having, and ask him what the best treatment would be for those problems. That way, he might be able to step out of his side of the conflict more easily.
I honestly think that plan would offer you the best chance of a good outcome.
You already know that I think therapy would be a good augmentation for any medication he prescribes, but I'll make the plug again, anyway ;-) Has he ever suggested it to you, by the way? Or offered any referrals?
And one more thing: you've alternately said you had ADHD or bipolar, but you've never answered the question of what your doctor has diagnosed? Do you know what he's diagnosed? Knowing that might help.
As for the other problems, I do have a lot more to say, but I think it's got to wait for another time. I care about you, and I really wish that I could help you get a good outcome from all this. I also have some things I have to get done today, and today I am going to put myself before you. I hope you understand.
Posted by yxibow on March 1, 2008, at 23:21:36
In reply to Suggestions for moving forward » your#1fan, posted by Racer on March 1, 2008, at 18:51:53
I think some of the suggestions above have merit.
I don't like to say, dump the doctor, it happens too much on here, but if you can't be treated for a symptom that is too high on your list of symptoms, then you, as an adult can seek a second opinion.
This means going to another doctor for an initial session. Plan well in advance with a written list of things to say. Be honest to the degree you feel comfortable with.
Remember, the doctor was following what he considered federal law. I had posted another thread on here similar to that. You can't be "fired" or committed for various things unless you actively commit suicide or harm other individuals generally.
But admitted continual abuse can also be a damper and while a doctor is required to keep you as a patient or refer you to another doctor, they can't risk their medical license giving you a controlled substance.
It isn't personal but it feels very personal. My doctor has gotten somewhat conservative, not because I have abused anything but because I'm sensitive to some medications and have had some negative consequences that our relationship has strained at times because he does not want to be blamed for unexplained and unexpected effects of things beyond his control with medication that he didn't invent but certainly has prescribed plenty of times. Its hard for me but I have had quite a long relationship with the doctor in question and I need to continue it.
In the same light, I don't know how long you have had a relationship, but if you do choose the route of a second opinion and it works for you, remember also that a relationship with a doctor, just like any relationship with any person takes time to build up, so do expect some time lag with a new practitioner.
Wish the best
-- Jay
Posted by litember on March 2, 2008, at 18:17:10
In reply to Re: Devastating News » your#1fan, posted by Racer on February 27, 2008, at 23:49:00
your#1fan,
I really feel for you. Although I've never been in your exact situation, I know what it is to panic over needing your meds. and not having them in front of you. I lost my insurance a couple days ago and I've got about two months of meds. left. I'm trying not to waste my energy giving into the fear so I can use it to find a way to get what I need. I have made my mind up that I will and that's that. I'm new to psychobabble so I don't know you or your past. I don't want to be presumptuous, giving you advice that can't apply to you. I apologize now if I do. If I can ask, how old are you? You seem to still be a legal dependent of your mom's. You might want to get your own legal advice and not take the psychiatrist's word for things. If you're under age your medical documents may not be able to follow you into adulthood. Who knows. If you look around ( internet, etc) you can find sources for free legal advice. Also, have you ever been to a therapist? I go weekly and what a big help! I was very lucky to have clicked with the first therapist I went to- she's a life-saver for me. Not only do we do actual therapy, she is also a great source of help and info. when I've encountered problem situations. She advocates for all her patients, and especially women. I hope to be well enough to repay her one-day, although she says I already have. If you do consider therapy, don't settle for less than the best, they are out there. Anyways, try to have confidence in yourself and your ability to survive no matter what anyone says. After all you've survived this long- YOU are a SURVIVOR! Try some positive self talk and fight the negative thoughts that come into your head. You can find a way to get what you need. I'd say good luck but you don't need luck- you're smart and capable.
litember
Posted by your#1fan on March 4, 2008, at 18:23:00
In reply to Re: Suggestions for moving forward, posted by yxibow on March 1, 2008, at 23:21:36
I will respond to all of you! just hold on i've got to sit my mind down and make myself read. Because the advice i read over, was very critical reading, but for someone to write that over me, thank you!
I'll be back tonihgt.
By the way i made one more meaningless phone call to my doctor today, tell him "dr-****, im telling you, i cant focus, and my teacher said im "have an undisplined mind" i studdered and everything, awful, not doing that again! whats he going to do "Well there is evidence RIGHT infrount of my face, but im going to let this patient have it hard, because i care more about other people" - ONE BAD DOCTOR.
I need to lay down, ill be back.
eletric fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 5, 2008, at 0:21:50
In reply to Critical Thinking and Problem Solving » your#1fan, posted by Racer on March 1, 2008, at 18:30:44
Ok..........wow i had read this post like twice, very critial anaylsis on me. But thanks.. lets get started...
First of all i made a phone call to my doctor, that was really meaniningless impulsive, had no point, just "im not being treated", "what do i do"? of course he doensnt repond like usall. Only responded to like 6 i think, saying he cant do anything, through the around 22 phone calls i made to him. First of all the reason, i call(ed) him so much because of was scared and i realized i was having a very hard time, and couseling told me to go talk to your doctor, plus people asked "whats wrong with you". This inpired the phone calls, and then the 2 letters stating very well, that i was having "severe" "interfering with life" still he ignored them, smiled "sorry, i cant legally treat...etc" all that lazy sh*t he pulled on me, because he didnt want time to work with me, and just said "take care, dont let the door hit you *ss" that just angered me so much. What kinda Doctor Is it?, i have luck more with a witchdoctor. Dr-im asking for you to make a phone call this doctor, just babblemail me, i'll tell you the phone.
2nd part of your post, you mentioned "emotions" Racer i want to tell you, and Gyldin (glydin i didnt really like when you said i could get violent, thats an assumption), i did have emotional outbursts because i didnt know how express, it was usally in a manic-anger-monster bite snap. Managing my emtions is hard because i, i think what my professor said today "undisplined mind" even though that was kinda rude, it maybe true.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<What happens is that people lose sight of the real problem -- everyone is so caught up in trying to explain why their side is the correct one, that they forget to take a step back and see if there's another option. It's really too bad when a doctor gets caught up that way, but from the sounds of it, it may be that it is what has happened here.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-my doctor really made an bad assumption, because he just kicked me out, the amount of rudeness, he called a lawyer. He FLAT OUT didnt want to treat me. Along with my mother's approval "yes, dont treat him". That's just Mommie Dearest for you, denieing the fact that i am displaying symptoms?
*****Your doctor's side is that you can't be trusted with stimulants, and so he won't treat you for ADHD.
-exactly, bad doctor.****That's pretty simple, isn't it?
-its kinda simple, if i made it.Do you notice what's missing? Two points if you notice that NEITHER ONE OF YOU has even mentioned the real problem!
exactly, i go everyday in a havoc with getting on people's nerves, and many things. And he, as a doctor didnt do his job, because (1) lazyness because the lawyer "well he cant be treated" (2) treating me worse than a person on the street.
The real problem right now is that you're experiencing a great deal of distress, which is impairing your ability to function, and it's not being adequately treated!
-exactly! thank you! so much! now just tryin to tell this to this doctor, that just really treats me like im some stanger. Only if my mother tells him to do something he'll do it.!!God, whats next? an anarism?
Im just mad, mad my life is like this, all sh*t happening to me. Dumb doctor, dumb descions.
fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 5, 2008, at 0:44:03
In reply to Re: Suggestions for moving forward, posted by yxibow on March 1, 2008, at 23:21:36
its late late......but who cares my mind is most clear at night, the worst is in the morning.
Im going to have to get another doctor soon. Because my mom, wants to stay with him. This is not good, because he's not treating me for a condition because of a lawyer stating to him, that i cant be trusted or treated. My mom agreed "dont treat fan", its like a someone brainwashed them, plus there where poster of VYNVSE EVERYWHERE!!! ADDERALL XR! GOD, he must enjoy this. Sure everyone im your #1 doc you can count on, he is not. That is pathetic of a doctor not to treat a severe condition. No, it really goes beyound bad....he was like a brick wall, with my mother.
and and then TY PENNTYWOOD (a message) pops up on my computer while im looking at ADHD (extrme homemakeover) is ADVERTISING Freaking Adderall XR for everyone, hell i dont know how many presciptions they put him on to do that. The "carpenter" elvis.
flaming
Posted by your#1fan on March 5, 2008, at 0:59:37
In reply to Suggestions for moving forward » your#1fan, posted by Racer on March 1, 2008, at 18:51:53
this is the most ironic danm thing........i sent this man 2 faxed letters, STATING everything! i wrote it down in class, to rerember it and sent it off to him.
What does he do........ignores it. Because a lawyer told him to. This compleley contrities what you just said, if i say "im having trouble with keeping up, such as looking at page number" , doctor neaves- "cant do anything"
That infuraties me so much!
now he sure maybe hell will put me on lithium! but never any kinda of ADHD medication.
mommie dearest puts her foot down. No stoppin' this woman.
And please dont tell all my emotions, or stuff.
Usally i do experince this but dont put this in a manner where people "eyes" can see.
I need to take my Zyprexa.
im sorry, im just furiated at all this junk in the trunk!
fan
Posted by your#1fan on March 5, 2008, at 1:15:01
In reply to Re: Devastating News, posted by litember on March 2, 2008, at 18:17:10
I know im an adult, but i live under my parents roof. They make the desicions, and control my medicaitons.
"Move out" is the best option. But its the worst thing that could happen to me.
I take Xanax, a well-known anti anxiety angent. It works fine for me. Calms me down, sooths the nerve.
I have reality worries, did i do this, i just now found out I lost many CD's. I just said "forget it" just some trouble to make to brain.
But thanks for your advice.
fan
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