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Posted by linkadge on December 11, 2007, at 20:28:29
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft!, posted by bleauberry on December 11, 2007, at 19:51:42
I agree with blueberry. Some people think that not taking an SSRI leaves them with no options. There are options. There are some alternatives that can be very helpful. If an SSRI makes you worse, its not the end of the road.
Watch this. A short story of an ex drug rep ((who took and had a horrible reaction to zoloft herself, she describes it)).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFbs8s3VI6M&feature=related
Linkadge
Posted by Racer on December 11, 2007, at 21:05:08
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft!, posted by linkadge on December 11, 2007, at 20:28:29
> Some people think that not taking an SSRI leaves them with no options. There are options. There are some alternatives that can be very helpful. If an SSRI makes you worse, its not the end of the road.
>I don't think Maxime is one of those people, since she's posted here in the past about all the medications she's tried so far. Despite this current thread, her reports from earlier in this trial of Zoloft were the most positive of any of her posts here in some time regarding medications. She has had severe problems with most of the other medications she's tried, and she has some cardiac problems which make many other drugs dangerous for her.
Despite this thread, it has sounded as though Zoloft was doing better for her than the others she's tried recently, and she sounded more hopeful than she has in years.
I realize you and I have had some conflicts in the past, but sometimes there's a reason that I write what I do -- and it's not that I'm such an idiot that I simply believe that SSRIs are the best or only drugs out there.
Posted by linkadge on December 11, 2007, at 21:16:50
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » linkadge, posted by Racer on December 11, 2007, at 21:05:08
I'm just saying that people have the right to decide what they want to ingest.
Linkadge
Posted by johnj on December 11, 2007, at 21:29:07
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft!, posted by linkadge on December 11, 2007, at 20:28:29
Sometimes people give advice flipilantly and that can do more harm than good. Personally, I don't give advice unless I have had experience that would lead me to give advice based on something tangible. Maybe that is just me though.
People are allowed to take or reject information that is given them. However, I have been in a state where my ocd is bad enough to believe any advice as gospel and it has made me worse. I just think people should be careful on advice they dispense when it may confuse the issue. Just my two cents. I follow this on any boards I am a part of.
johnj
Posted by Phillipa on December 11, 2007, at 22:24:34
In reply to F*ck all this!, posted by Maxime on December 11, 2007, at 17:45:04
Sounds from what Maxime wrote that her doc thinks she's worse not better. Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on December 11, 2007, at 22:52:45
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » linkadge, posted by johnj on December 11, 2007, at 21:29:07
>Sometimes people give advice flipilantly and >that can do more harm than good. Personally, I >don't give advice unless I have had experience >that would lead me to give advice based on >something tangible. Maybe that is just me >though.
I don't see the issue being that my advice is necessarily destructive, only that certain people disagree with it.
People use the logic that I should't give my opinion as persons are in a state of fragility. Yet, they don't see such a state as restricting their advice in any way.
The only difference, is that certain persons feel that their advice is helpful, and that my advice is destructive. If you however, had been one who has not responded well to an SSRI, you might see my advice as helpful, and other advice as destructive.
>However, I have been in a state where my ocd is >bad enough to believe any advice as gospel and >it has made me worse.Regardless, you choose to belive one particular viewpoint.
>I just think people should be careful on advice >they dispense when it may confuse the issue. >Just my two cents. I follow this on any boards I >am a part of.
I see. I suppose the system believes that so long as it is unified in its beliefs, that no harm can be done? People do react adversly to medications.
Selective filtering of the information is always going to be at the expense of certain individuals.
We're not running a cult here.
Linkadge
Posted by MidnightBlue on December 11, 2007, at 23:00:48
In reply to F*ck all this!, posted by Maxime on December 11, 2007, at 17:45:04
Maxime,
I know you don't want to and I know you feel like you have a deadline, but I think you will have a MUCH better chance of going back to that job or ANY job if you go back into the hospital. You would be safer, you might get more therapy, and there is a chance they might find a better drug combination. Please note, I did not say drug. I am aware you have tried just about everything available in Canada.
But this is a difficult time of year for most people, and you are very vulnerable right now. If you won't do it for you, would you consider doing it for all the Babblers who have grown to love you?
There is hope. There really is. Don't give up.
MidnightBlue
Posted by Racer on December 11, 2007, at 23:17:37
In reply to Re: F*ck all this! » Maxime, posted by MidnightBlue on December 11, 2007, at 23:00:48
Posted by Racer on December 11, 2007, at 23:18:44
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » linkadge, posted by johnj on December 11, 2007, at 21:29:07
Posted by your#1fan on December 12, 2007, at 0:06:44
In reply to Very good points made. Thank you. (nm) » johnj, posted by Racer on December 11, 2007, at 23:18:44
Is there ANYONE you can tell that tell what emotional distress your going through. I have never seen some have it so hard.
My suggestions, be very direct, and corprate with your doctor about how severe distress your going through, i suggest Lorazepam (Ativan) for a bad time right now. But thats up to a doctor. I was on Ativan and it helped, but you may need high doses.
Maybe close your eyes, and see some what you have accomplished, anything. Imagine your in a room with people congratulating you, you need your own self to help yourself. Use your mind, create somewhere that was nice. Ok?
Thats as far as i can go... i dont want to get too intese on advice.
you need this.*****I think you are wonderful, through all this, i see something wonderful, bringing life to things. There is blindfolds i think that are in your mind that are keeping you from seeing how wonderful you are. *****
a concerned fan.
Posted by johnj on December 12, 2007, at 8:23:12
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft!, posted by linkadge on December 11, 2007, at 22:52:45
Actually, I wasn't responding to your posts and you made the leap of me implying something about a cult. That is way off base and I have no idea how you got that.
What I meant to say is certain people appear to post, just to post. I don't think they are really trying to be supportive. Again IMHO. To be honest there are some posters I just skip over (you are not one of them:)) because I know what they say is most likely not even pertinent to the discussion.
Posted by linkadge on December 12, 2007, at 10:15:29
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » linkadge, posted by johnj on December 12, 2007, at 8:23:12
>Actually, I wasn't responding to your posts and >you made the leap of me implying something about >a cult. That is way off base and I have no idea >how you got that.
Well, sometimes I feel that psychobabble is a cult. I oppoligise if I misunderstood you.
Linkadge
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 12, 2007, at 10:37:59
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » linkadge, posted by johnj on December 12, 2007, at 8:23:12
> SSRIs really are crap.
>
> Maxime> I found this "advice" unhelpful.
>
> Racer> certain people appear to post, just to post. I don't think they are really trying to be supportive. ... I know what they say is most likely not even pertinent to the discussion.
>
> johnjPlease don't exaggerate or overgeneralize or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Maxime on December 12, 2007, at 13:58:56
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » linkadge, posted by johnj on December 12, 2007, at 8:23:12
I don't know what to say because my thread turned into a bit of a flame war, which I can do without.
Still, I appreciate people taking the time to respond. Racer and Midnight Blue, you both rock! :)
I am thinking about the hospital, but I don't know if I will go or not. If I stop posting you will know that I have gone into the hospital.
Thank you all.
Maxime
Posted by MidnightBlue on December 12, 2007, at 15:02:52
In reply to Thank you to those who posted., posted by Maxime on December 12, 2007, at 13:58:56
Maxime,
Tears in eyes for you. Thank you for your kind words. You will be in my prayers.
MidnightBlue
Posted by ny2bk on December 12, 2007, at 17:35:45
In reply to Re: F*ck all this!, posted by Phillipa on December 11, 2007, at 18:50:13
> Maxie sorry. There is a poster here who feels strongly that if a med makes you feel worse you shouldn't stay on it your body is trying to tell you something. Do you think giving up all the benzos you may be some type of withdrawal? Just a thought. Phillipa
I cant say for certain this applies to me,but i have a itching it does as it is something i believe in.
I do feel strongly that ur body will tell you when something isnt for you,now this might need clarifcation,im not stating that the second you come across side effects you should hault.No,rather i mean in general,i personaly believe when a drug,nutrient,herb etc enters your body and simply does not belong there,and your body reacts strongly,i dont believe its healthy to ignore these signs as side effects,knowing the differance of a side effect and simple harmful substance to your self,is not written in stone,it takes good communication with your doctor,as well as knowing yourself well.
Posted by ny2bk on December 12, 2007, at 17:45:05
In reply to I don't see how this is helpful » Phillipa, posted by Racer on December 11, 2007, at 19:51:16
> > There is a poster here who feels strongly that if a med makes you feel worse you shouldn't stay on it your body is trying to tell you something.
>
> Based on the idea that, if you feel bad when you start a drug, you should then stop that drug, how exactly will anyone ever feel better? ALL the medications we talk about here on the board come with some adjustment phase effects, and some people find those effects more distressing than others do. If we all stopped every medication that caused some discomfort during the adjustment phase, I don't think many people would ever stay on medications long enough to experience relief from symptoms.
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> What's more, many of the side effects these medications cause can be mitigated. What a crying shame to miss out on relief just because a medication caused some discomfort at first, or because someone didn't bother sticking with it long enough to find a solution for a distressing side effect.
>
> In Maxime's case, particularly, I found this "advice" unhelpful. Maxime has tried virtually all the medications out there, and she's struggling mightily to stick with Zoloft long enough for it to have a chance to work. Right now, it's causing her some problems, and she's having trouble sticking with her resolve to give it a chance. Considering all the medication failures in her past, and considering the very great pain she's experiencing now, I strongly believe we should be encouraging her to give this a chance -- NOT telling her, "oh, well, if it doesn't feel good, you should stop it right now."
>
> I don't see how that observation, by an unnamed Babble poster or not, could conceivably be considered helpful. Please don't bother trying to explain.Again i answer with just the belief i am the one who phillipa is speaking of.
You mention "please dont bother explaining"well that seems very very odd as this is a posting group,and well responding is what you do.
My response is the same,i think there is a distinction between side effects and a drug being harmful for whatever reason in your body.Now it is very hard to determine the differance,but i also feel totaly opposite to you that it should quickly be written off regardless of how many meds the person tried.
I am a non ssri responder,so obviously every one made me tighten up and my body literaly cringe.One after another,and i was told aganist my own belief that it was not my body but side effects,and i stood on each one the max time.
All that did for me was cause me to suffer a great deal as the moment i went to a maoi i lost all those problems,and yess the maoi carried side effects such as insomnia,a speed like effect,chest tightness etc,but i felt the med trying to work itself in,and felt overall confident to keep on and that i was experiancing side effects,this again was in strong contrast to the feelings i had off ssris.
I read this group often,and dont understand why some things are the way they are.My advice to the poster along with my best wishes is to never use a single board as written word,there are other boards,as well as archived messages from tons of various groups,also many sites have comments from users,please dont get caught up in any single site,document,or other info,truth is we dont know facts yet,and it will always come down to a simple factor,if you are feeling better on what you take.
well wishes
Posted by johnj on December 12, 2007, at 21:15:04
In reply to Thank you to those who posted., posted by Maxime on December 12, 2007, at 13:58:56
Sorry, I wish you the best as I know where you are right now as I have been there and am still not too far off.
Anyway, I realized that me criticizing anothers post as not helpful didn't help you and it was a thread you had started. I am very sorry for my lack of understanding.
johnj
Posted by Netch on December 13, 2007, at 6:14:25
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » Netch, posted by Maxime on December 11, 2007, at 8:22:28
> > Maxime have you tried abilify?
> >
> > /Netch
>
> It's not available in Canada, otherwise I would try it. Thanks.
>
> Maxime
>
Maxime, maybe you could ask your psych to apply for a license to prescribe abilify... most countries usually offer this possibility./Netch
Posted by Maximus on December 14, 2007, at 12:32:57
In reply to Damn you Zoloft!, posted by Maxime on December 10, 2007, at 17:20:02
Hi Max :-)
I'm also BP II. Actually i'm doing quite well on this following cocktail: Effexor XR 150 mg, Seroquel 150 mg and Lamictal 75 mg. Bipolar depression is very difficult to treat.
Here is something to consider with your pdoc. According to my pdoc (and my research), BP II patients need this norepinephrine kick to get their bu** out of the abyss. An add-on med (Wellbutrin? Effexor?) or a higher dose of Seroquel could be helpful to you.
Bye.
Posted by maxime on December 14, 2007, at 14:29:19
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » Maxime, posted by Maximus on December 14, 2007, at 12:32:57
Hi again!
Effexor made me go manic when I took it before. Wellbutrin made me psychotic, but I want to try it again. My system is reacting to meds so differently these days.
I'm glad you found relief. :)
Maxime
> Hi Max :-)
>
> I'm also BP II. Actually i'm doing quite well on this following cocktail: Effexor XR 150 mg, Seroquel 150 mg and Lamictal 75 mg. Bipolar depression is very difficult to treat.
>
> Here is something to consider with your pdoc. According to my pdoc (and my research), BP II patients need this norepinephrine kick to get their bu** out of the abyss. An add-on med (Wellbutrin? Effexor?) or a higher dose of Seroquel could be helpful to you.
>
> Bye.
Posted by Maximus on December 14, 2007, at 15:55:46
In reply to Re: Damn you Zoloft! » Maximus, posted by maxime on December 14, 2007, at 14:29:19
> Hi again!
>
> Effexor made me go manic when I took it before. Wellbutrin made me psychotic, but I want to try it again. My system is reacting to meds so differently these days.Being manic? Seroquel is a solid safety net you know. But i understand your apprehension...
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 14, 2007, at 22:48:53
In reply to Re: Thank you to those who posted. » Maxime, posted by johnj on December 12, 2007, at 21:15:04
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 14, 2007, at 22:51:45
In reply to Re: please be civil » Maxime » Racer » johnj, posted by Dr. Bob on December 12, 2007, at 10:37:59
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20071106/msgs/800894.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 14, 2007, at 23:07:29
In reply to Re: F*ck all this!, posted by ny2bk on December 12, 2007, at 17:35:45
> I cant say for certain this applies to me,but i have a itching it does as it is something i believe in.
Please don't change your posting name without following these steps:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#names
If you're having password problems, email me and I should be able to help. Thanks,
Bob
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