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Posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 1:52:36
It's shown to help control the carbohydrates craving and it has some antidepressant/anxiolitic properties (I can confirm that). It is also beneficial to atypical depression and some treatment resistant patient. So I think it could help people on Nardil with the weight gain.Anyone heard of that or tried it himself ? Take a look on PUBMED by yourself: it's not a 1983 thing.. there's some researchs on it right now.
I started to look into Chronium research papers after I started taking some for blood sugar and started to feel more calm and POSITIVE (antidepressant effects) .. so no placebo effect there.. I do agree with the rats :)
/\/\arty
Posted by maxime on December 2, 2007, at 10:42:40
In reply to Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?), posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 1:52:36
I've been taking chromium for a couple of years on a daily basis. Because I restric my calories so much, it helps keep my blood sugar levels from dipping. It really does help. I don't know if it does anything for my depression though.
Maxime
Posted by Molitor on December 2, 2007, at 11:27:13
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » Marty, posted by maxime on December 2, 2007, at 10:42:40
I'd heard about chromium picolinate's reputation for helping carb cravings, but the atypical depression link is new to me:
This trial is 600 micro grams (mcg), I wonder how they arrived at that dose.
Posted by Phillipa on December 2, 2007, at 11:57:48
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » maxime, posted by Molitor on December 2, 2007, at 11:27:13
Maxie the food issure with the psychologist okay? Phillipa
Posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 12:08:05
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » Marty, posted by maxime on December 2, 2007, at 10:42:40
> I've been taking chromium for a couple of years on a daily basis.
May I ask you what's your dosage ?
Pardon my (very) poor memory, but what is your diagnostic ?
/\/\arty
Posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 12:11:38
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » maxime, posted by Molitor on December 2, 2007, at 11:27:13
> This trial is 600 micro grams (mcg), I wonder how they arrived at that dose.
Because at 601 they lost 51%+ of the rats. ;)
Seriously I find this new researchs into Chromium very interesting. I saw somewhere that it was letting more monoamine entering the brain or something like that..
/\/\arty
Posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 12:13:26
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » maxime, posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 12:08:05
> Pardon my (very) poor memory, but what is your diagnostic ?
-- Pardon MY very poor memory, but what's up with your very poor memory ?
> /\/\arty
-- /\/\arty ... oh. ;-)
Posted by bleauberry on December 2, 2007, at 12:14:37
In reply to Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?), posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 1:52:36
I don't think chromium picolinate helped my depression. Maybe a bit, hard to tell. It did seem to have a slight noradrenergic boost to it. I did not find it calming at all, but rather activating in a bit of an uncomfortable way.
Heavy metal burden, deficiency in the diet, etc are reasons why chromium may need to be supplemented. It is involved in many body/brain functions. Most notably it is involved in stabilizing blood sugar levels. Peaks and valleys in blood sugar, usually from a hapharzard diet, cause receptors in glands and brain to become over-senstive or under-senstive and throw feedback loops out of whack. All of that affects what goes on in the brain. Chromium can smooth out the peaks and valleys and help to restore sensitivities and feedback loops closer to where they should be. Ultimately though, especially for psychiatric patients, I think it is extremely, I mean extremely, important to plan what they eat with a strong strategy and purpose.
Chromium has been suspected of being a good friend in treating depression for decades, usually added to an ongoing antidepressant. Why and how I don't know, but my first guess would be it has something to do with the intricate blood sugar/receptor sensitivity thing.
Posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 14:06:39
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?), posted by bleauberry on December 2, 2007, at 12:14:37
Thank you for your insights. You may take a look at the following links. BTW, I would like to know what you think about taking Vanadium for depression/anxiety. I know it has been linked to schizophrenia in the 80s(?) and I fear it could make me feel bad for a looooong time :/[Effectiveness of chromium in atypical depression: a placebo-controlled trial.] -> http://tinyurl.com/2p8ks2
[Effects of treatment with chromium picolinate on peripheral amino acid availability and brain monoamine function in the rat.] -> http://tinyurl.com/34xorr
[Chromium treatment decreases the sensitivity of 5-HT2A receptors.] -> http://tinyurl.com/3y4ufw
[Effect of chronic chromium picolinate in animal models of anxiety and memory.] -> http://tinyurl.com/2n5xmy
[Treating depression with atypical features.] (mentions Chromium) -> http://tinyurl.com/3cc4xm
[Effect of chromium picolinate on modified forced swimming test in diabetic rats: involvement of serotonergic pathways and potassium channels.] -> http://tinyurl.com/32gjtg
/\/\arty
Posted by Molitor on December 2, 2007, at 14:12:43
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?), posted by bleauberry on December 2, 2007, at 12:14:37
> I don't think chromium picolinate helped my depression. Maybe a bit, hard to tell. It did seem to have a slight noradrenergic boost to it. I did not find it calming at all, but rather activating in a bit of an uncomfortable way.
>
> Heavy metal burden, deficiency in the diet, etc are reasons why chromium may need to be supplemented. It is involved in many body/brain functions. Most notably it is involved in stabilizing blood sugar levels. Peaks and valleys in blood sugar, usually from a hapharzard diet, cause receptors in glands and brain to become over-senstive or under-senstive and throw feedback loops out of whack. All of that affects what goes on in the brain. Chromium can smooth out the peaks and valleys and help to restore sensitivities and feedback loops closer to where they should be. Ultimately though, especially for psychiatric patients, I think it is extremely, I mean extremely, important to plan what they eat with a strong strategy and purpose.
>
> Chromium has been suspected of being a good friend in treating depression for decades, usually added to an ongoing antidepressant. Why and how I don't know, but my first guess would be it has something to do with the intricate blood sugar/receptor sensitivity thing.The problem is, nearly everything has been touted as helping depression at one time or another. Having some actual science to support it, even if they don't know why it works, makes it more encouraging than the usual herb-of-the-week.
Being cheap, readily available, and no apparent negatives, is nice too. I've been taking 500mgs since I started parnate a few weeks back, just to head off any potential carb-cravings. I can't tell if it's doing anything, perhaps because the pills are too small physically. Maybe if it was more expensive and I had to take five horsepills, three times a day, I'd feel it was more effective. :)
Posted by Molitor on December 2, 2007, at 14:16:06
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » Molitor, posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 12:11:38
> > This trial is 600 micro grams (mcg), I wonder how they arrived at that dose.
>
> Because at 601 they lost 51%+ of the rats. ;)
>:D
Too bad, because the rats were so slim, and happy.
Posted by maxime on December 2, 2007, at 15:36:02
In reply to Re: Chromium ?? (+Nardil weight loss!?) » maxime, posted by Marty on December 2, 2007, at 12:08:05
I take 400 mcg a day. I am diagnosed with:
Bipolar Depression Type 2
AnorexiaMaxime
> May I ask you what's your dosage ?
>
> Pardon my (very) poor memory, but what is your diagnostic ?
>
> /\/\arty
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