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Posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 21:21:03
In reply to Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:02:39
Only one person and he is also friends with you so you know who I am talking about :) Other than that though, I have never met anyone that has.
> I have a really important question and favor to ask you all lurkers too. Does anyone seriously know anyone that has gotten completely better from meds or a cocktail of meds for many many years? I ask for a person I know and e-mail with. Thanks don't think of me the other person needs help. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:34:21
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 21:21:03
Yup not posting anymore. Phillipa
Posted by Squiggles on October 19, 2007, at 22:09:33
In reply to Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:02:39
I have a similar question. Does anyone
know anyone with a serious mental illness,
who has gotten better over many many years,
without medications? I'm referring to
things like hallucinations, paranoia,
catatonic depression, Parkinson's, mania,
psychopathic behaviour, and exluding self-
treatment of such like alcohol and street
drugs.Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 22:30:35
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » Phillipa, posted by Squiggles on October 19, 2007, at 22:09:33
I really want to keep this thread on target as psychopathic is a personality disorder. And Parkinson's is a physical condition to the best of my knowledge. But seriously I know a few people who are thinking that no meds work ever for more than a few years at most. Phillipa
Posted by Squiggles on October 19, 2007, at 22:38:34
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » Squiggles, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 22:30:35
> I really want to keep this thread on target as psychopathic is a personality disorder. And Parkinson's is a physical condition to the best of my knowledge. But seriously I know a few people who are thinking that no meds work ever for more than a few years at most. Phillipa
I don't think psychopathic is a personality
disorder anymore that paranoid schizophrenic
is-- both are the result of either organic,
or brain damage, or chemical induced causes
most of the time; or they are genetic or
environmental. As for Parkinson's, all mental
illnesses are physical conditions-- what else
could they be?And *few* is the operative word here for
mental disorders which cannot be helped
by medication; those few may be the exception
or simply the wrong drugs. Mistakes happen
in medicine, no doubt of that.Squiggles
Posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 23:04:06
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » alienatari, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:34:21
I guess its a good thing as they are well.
> Yup not posting anymore. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2007, at 10:52:15
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 23:04:06
Looking to give others hope that they can get well that maybe a med they haven't tried will be the one. Not antimed at all the opposite . Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on October 20, 2007, at 15:24:59
In reply to Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:02:39
I used to spend hours surfing through remedyfind.com to see people's comments on all the various drugs. Hundreds, maybe thousands of them. I do recall seeing someone who was still doing great on zoloft 10 years later. Another with the same story on prozac. But 99% of them were in the same camp as babblers...inadequate response and poopout.
Posted by unbottled on October 20, 2007, at 21:53:57
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by bleauberry on October 20, 2007, at 15:24:59
My brother's been on Nardil for 30 years and
seems well now. He changed after he started
taking it, into a more sociable person, and has
had a lot of success in his life since. I wish
he'd told me at the time he started taking it -
I'm only now taking a combination of Selegiline
and Moclobemide (four months). My combo made
me feel better immediately, although I guess
the jury's out as to the future.However it's an excellent question. Perhaps
not surprising the successfully treated folks
aren't going to be lurking here. I'm not on
100% good terms with my brother %^) but,
especially after getting into a Nardil
substitute myself, I *am* convinced that
real success stories exist.
Posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2007, at 22:05:27
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by unbottled on October 20, 2007, at 21:53:57
Thank-you for your post that is exactly what I'm looking for. Phillipa
Posted by tecknohed on October 21, 2007, at 14:20:16
In reply to Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:02:39
I'm not sure if this is exactly the sort of answer you're looking for, but I know of a few people who have 'recovered' with the use of meds.
One of them is my mother, who used prozac to cope with the loss of her mother. It helped her alot & after 8 months she came off it. She's been fine ever since. The other cases I know of are similar stories. Obviously these people were either treating a single (one-off) bout of depression, or the depression was caused by a life stress (ie. loosing a loved one).
Unfortunitely, for many of us our symptoms are more permanent & so need permanent treatment.
On a more positive note though, I FIRMLY believe that medicine can help ANYONE. You just need to find (& have access to) the right ones. This belief is what keeps me pushing on, even when I'm at my lowest of lows. Therapy is also important. Combining the 2 IMO is better than either alone.
Posted by Squiggles on October 21, 2007, at 15:30:27
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » Phillipa, posted by tecknohed on October 21, 2007, at 14:20:16
Good message technohed! To point to the few
cases of mental distress which improve
with no medical treatment is such a temptation
to disaster. That's because most of the drugs
are awful in this state of the art, and the
diagnosis difficult.You may be familiar with Hippocrates' line about
the SACRED ART - psychiatry, which is still true today:"the art is long,
life is short
and
judgment is difficult"Squiggles
Posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2007, at 19:54:04
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » Phillipa, posted by tecknohed on October 21, 2007, at 14:20:16
Tech thanks yes it is as it gives people hope In my opinion. Thanks so much Phillipa
Posted by FrequentFryer on October 24, 2007, at 3:05:10
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » tecknohed, posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2007, at 19:54:04
I have yet to find a decent drug treatment... Nardil is the best but it slowly looses its affects (on me) and the weight gain / constipation make it a no go...
Im currently on Zoloft & Abilify & Klonaz & Seroquell but my main pleasures are sleeping and eating,,, can't be bothered doing anything else.... D-Amphetamine fixes all my problems but I think its kinda toxic & tollerance builds way faster then any SSRI/SNRI.
Posted by FrequentFryer on October 24, 2007, at 3:08:38
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by FrequentFryer on October 24, 2007, at 3:05:10
Although I recently found a shrink who agrees with my choices of cocktails for Treatment resistant depression, which is good.... But alas I think I will develop a tollerance to any drug.... The key is while your "up on the drug" get a good Girlfriend / Friends / Job / house. Then you won't need the meds anymore....
Posted by FrequentFryer on October 24, 2007, at 3:21:13
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » tecknohed, posted by Phillipa on October 21, 2007, at 19:54:04
They simply need to work on a more Dopaminergic drug.... I know its hard,,, (IE:Cocain is a Dopamine Reuptake inhibitor but has a verry cap Half-Life). If I was a Neuro-Pharmo scientist I would implement some of those good DRI's with a slow relese MDMA & 5htp suppliment,,, but then the 5htp don't cross the Blood to Brain Barrier so I guess it wouldn't work...
I think the main problem is the drug companies dont want to make a drug that makes everyone happy... (so called abuseable)....
Posted by tecknohed on October 24, 2007, at 5:19:36
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by FrequentFryer on October 24, 2007, at 3:21:13
>If I was a Neuro-Pharmo scientist I would implement some of those good DRI's with a slow relese MDMA & 5htp suppliment,,, but then the 5htp don't cross the Blood to Brain Barrier so I guess it wouldn't work...
I dont think MDMA would be helpfull in slow release form, you'd still build tolerance to it very quickly. Have you read "PiHKAL" by Alexander Shulgin, or "E For Ecstacy" by Nicholas Saunders? If you took, say 150mg MDMA on a night out, you'd need double that the following night to produce the same effect. Slow release would not remedy this build in tolerance.
Also, where have you read 5HTP does not cross the blood-brain barrier? I've read that it does, & very well, much more effectively than Tryptophan. I also find that it has a strong effect (beneficial or otherwise) & so have thousands of others. Just check the 'Alternative' board.
Posted by Squiggles on October 24, 2007, at 7:44:01
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by FrequentFryer on October 24, 2007, at 3:21:13
o I guess it wouldn't work...
> I think the main problem is the drug companies dont want to make a drug that makes everyone happy... (so called abuseable)....That ideas has crossed my mind; i think that a combination of morphhine and cocaine has got to work for depression. Is it possible to give in safe and chronic amounts? I don't know.
Squiggles
Posted by Forte on October 25, 2007, at 19:17:51
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone » FrequentFryer, posted by Squiggles on October 24, 2007, at 7:44:01
A combination of morphine and cocaine - SAFE??? You must be kidding!!!!! Sounds like escape instead of living to me.
Posted by fuzz54 on October 26, 2007, at 10:49:33
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by Forte on October 25, 2007, at 19:17:51
I have a success story. I'm maybe %70 recovered from my depression and anxiety issues. I've had very high anxiety my whole life. I was never in a relationship (except for a couple short ones in high school) before the age of 28. With the low self esteem caused by social anxiety and general anxiety all I wanted was a relationship and acceptance from my peers and a job I enjoyed. I had none of those things, hopelessness set in, and then I went into a long-term spiral of depression that got progressively worse over the course of maybe 5 years. After three years of talk and group therapy and two years of being on Paxil (20 to 30 mg / day) and Klonopin I am doing much better. I am no longer depressed for more than a day or two at a time once in awhile. I have had two year-long relationships in the last two years and am now engaged to be married in a healthy relationship. This is absolutely not something I could have done three years ago. I'm reaching a level of contentment that I don't have suicidal ideation that often anymore and can see some good things down the road even if I don't wake up feeling happy every day. None of the recovery process was easy and was probably the hardest thing I've ever done, but I'm a stubborn person and was able to stay motivated somehow even when I was frustrated and confused about myself. I have tried going off of the meds, but anxiety and depression came back after 2 months being med free. After being back on the meds I'm fine again. I'll probably be taking meds the rest of my life, but they do make a huge difference for me. Especially when combined with therapy to make behavioral and cognitive changes.
Posted by coral on October 26, 2007, at 11:14:05
In reply to Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 21:02:39
I am a success story. In the mid 90's, I suffered a severe clinical depression that came within a hair's breadth of completely ruining my life, lasted 3 1/2 years. After trying dozens of meds with absolutely no success and horrific side effects, I found Zoloft (combined with therapy) and it finally broke through the depression. I've had two very small bouts of depression since then (and used Zoloft and therapy both times).
Posted by vicksnow on October 26, 2007, at 12:58:11
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by unbottled on October 20, 2007, at 21:53:57
i think i'm a success story. my life changed from darkness to one of happiness after i received the following cocktail which i have been on for over 10 years, and take these faithfully.
prozac 60mg
wellbutrin 300mg xl
klonopin 1mg 4x a day
risperdol 3mg (what helped me the most my godsend)once a day at bedtime.
before my antipscychotic was added i was a paranoid, angry, low self esteem, shy, social anxiety, scared. now i am happy 95% of the time. i would advice anyone to try this combo!
Posted by Phillipa on October 26, 2007, at 19:30:33
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by fuzz54 on October 26, 2007, at 10:49:33
Wonderful and congratulations on your engagement. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 26, 2007, at 19:33:24
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by vicksnow on October 26, 2007, at 12:58:11
So glad you are all giving others hope who may be just reading. It's wonderful. Love Phillipa now who else know there are more?
Posted by tecknohed on October 28, 2007, at 14:52:45
In reply to Re: Important Question Not About Me But Everyone, posted by vicksnow on October 26, 2007, at 12:58:11
> i think i'm a success story. my life changed from darkness to one of happiness after i received the following cocktail which i have been on for over 10 years, and take these faithfully.
> prozac 60mg
> wellbutrin 300mg xl
> klonopin 1mg 4x a day
> risperdol 3mg (what helped me the most my godsend)once a day at bedtime.
> before my antipscychotic was added i was a paranoid, angry, low self esteem, shy, social anxiety, scared. now i am happy 95% of the time. i would advice anyone to try this combo!Hi. Nice to see even more success stories, including yours!
I have a question about the Risperidone. I'm not too familiar with APs. Is your 3mg considered 'low dose', & if so do you think its helping so much because of it's dopamine-increasing abilities (at low doses)?
OR
If it is actually a higher dose, is it helping because it got rid of your paranoia?
Hope those questions make sense!
teck
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