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Posted by your#1fan on October 20, 2007, at 0:51:05
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » alienatari, posted by Phillipa on October 19, 2007, at 22:42:46
alien im sorry you had hard time. Im scared of any psych hosptial because, well, if i ever went into a hospital it would be private.
do benzos and phenothorizes help with this condition?
Posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 1:02:20
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
I was in a voluntary psych hospital once and eventually they told me I would have to take breakfast with everybody else.
So I sat down to breakfast and this woman says to me
'Why are you in here?'
'Um....'
'For not taking your medication?'
'Er....'
'Or for taking too much?'
'Ughhh..'
Posted by beachbum on October 20, 2007, at 6:41:10
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help?, posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 1:02:20
I work in 'regular' hospital and in our 'newsletter' a lot of former pts write how satisfied they were with the care on that floor and thanking them.
I was in one latest in 95 and I didn't think it was helpful, but I guess they tried. I remember wearing this blue jean vest with many pockets and no one searched, I did have cigarettes and some other non- allowable things I could have 'done things' with. Didn't understand that one but I did it cause first time no one checked me either. So 'safe' was debatable........
Posted by beachbum on October 20, 2007, at 6:47:12
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help?, posted by beachbum on October 20, 2007, at 6:41:10
I've taken some pts over to that wing [[same floor where working]] after medically clear and they take all belonging to check and basically person only has hospital gown with them till they check everything else.I would hope most are like that for pts safety.
Posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 7:21:26
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
It shouldn't be that way; mental health care
should be anything BUT bureaucratic. It sounds
like you have to be extra polite and careful with
your behaviour and what you say. That's one
thing that is probably true in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" [btw, does anyone know where
that title comes from?]Even as an outpatient, i make a point to be
courteous, self-controlled, and rational when
speaking to medical staff. Once or twice in
30 yrs. i was assertive about my treatment, but
never really rude, even at times when i wanted
to be rude. I know that an ill-considered word may trigger an idea, a wrong idea about my
conditionto the staff. That's because they don't see and talk to you every day to see how you really are. Nevertheless, a friend of mine almost blew the whole balance by making a dumb suggestion about my true diagnosis being a mistake 27 yrs. ago-- that i was really probably schizophrenic. The person is blessed with the gift of the gab, sounds like a judge, so the dr. had confidence in what he heard and tried to give me antipsychotics and more tranquillizers. With friends like that, who needs enemies? That's like
gaslighting. I did not take them, and gratefully,
my doctor was liberal enough to believe that i could tell if i needed them or not. But i imagine that if i were brought to a hospital with that story, it could be a different decision.
There must be some good small hospitals or clinics, though. The poor places have it the worst.Squiggles
Posted by bleauberry on October 20, 2007, at 15:22:24
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
No. Hosipitals are not conducive to psychiatric healing. Been there done that.
I could design a good hospital for psych patients. It would include detailed testing of all kinds of biochemistries that are not usually looked at, customized highly nourished meals, swimming pool, far infrared sauna, lots of sunshine, large rooms, wide hallways, lots of gymnastic activities, various colors so not everyone is in the same colored pajamas, an oasis room with lots of plants and waterfalls, and doctors who are paid a meager base salary but who can earn double what any other doctor can make based on questionnaires rated by exiting patients, performance based pay.
Just dreaming. Short of that, no, hospitals are not good for psych patients. Just my experience. I was no better when I left than when I went in. No one else was either.
To be fair, I do know one guy who was suicidal, admitted to the hospital, never been on psych drugs before, responsed real well in days to prozac, and he left a new man a week. A few people do get lucky in Las Vegas too.
Posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 15:48:25
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » alienatari, posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 7:21:26
Children's counting story, perhaps.
>Chief Broom mentioned this in the book; he comments that it was a game he would play with his grandmother when he was a child:
Tingle, tingle, tremble toes
She's a good fisherman
Catches hens
Puts 'em in pens
Some lay eggs.
Some lay none.
Wire, blier, limer lock
Three geese inna flock
One flew east,
One flew west,
One flew over the cuckoo's nest
O-U-T spells out
Goose swoops down and plucks you out
This is variant of the William Matrimmatoe chant:William Matrimmatoe
He's a good fisherman.
He catches hens,
Puts them in pens.
Some lay eggs.
Some lay none.
William Matrimmatoe
He's a good fisherman.
Wire, briar, limber, lock.
Three geese in a flock.
One flew east.
One flew west.
One flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Wire, briar, limber, lock.
Out goes you, old dirty dish rag, you.
Posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 16:03:37
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Squiggles, posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 15:48:25
Interesting; thanks -- reminds me of
"ring around the rosie"; i have not
read the books but the reviews seem
unanimous in praising the film over
the book, even though the author does
not think the film reflected the book;
i think i'll pick it up in the library.Squiggles
Posted by cumulative on October 20, 2007, at 16:29:14
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Sigismund, posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 16:03:37
>he reviews seem
unanimous in praising the film over
the bookNo way, IMNSHO the book is a true classic. The movie is good for a movie but it doesn't even compare.
Posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 16:42:37
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Sigismund, posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 16:03:37
>the reviews seem unanimous in praising the film over the book
Really?
The book made a big impression on me when I read it 30 years ago. It may have been of its time, perhaps?
(I can't remember seeing a film which I thought was as good as the book.)
Posted by Maxime on October 20, 2007, at 17:06:19
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
Actually I think that "dry anus" is funny.
When I was in hospital one time (one of many), I was in group session and was asked "how did what Linda just share make you feel?". My god, such a cliche question! So I answered "horny". That didn't go over very well, but I was so fed up with these useless communication sessions that I thought a little humour was needed.
Lots of mistakes have been made when I was in hospital ... like stopping a med cold turkey etc.
Unless you are going to kill yourself and need to be safe, I don't think hospitals are useful at all.
xxx
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on October 20, 2007, at 17:56:45
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help?, posted by beachbum on October 20, 2007, at 6:41:10
once while in the hospital I was allowed to leave the ward for 25 minutes a few time a day (I had my own clothes on). I would go across the street to pharmacy and by laxatives and razor blades and bring them back to the hospital. No one ever found out that I was cutting and abusing laxatives and I was there for a month.
Maxime
> I work in 'regular' hospital and in our 'newsletter' a lot of former pts write how satisfied they were with the care on that floor and thanking them.
> I was in one latest in 95 and I didn't think it was helpful, but I guess they tried. I remember wearing this blue jean vest with many pockets and no one searched, I did have cigarettes and some other non- allowable things I could have 'done things' with. Didn't understand that one but I did it cause first time no one checked me either. So 'safe' was debatable........
>
Posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2007, at 18:46:55
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » beachbum, posted by Maxime on October 20, 2007, at 17:56:45
Things must have changed since I worked psych as all patients dressed in street clothes all personal items and clothes were gone through before the patient could have them and the patient searched as well. Anything sharp, with alchohol like mouth wash, mirrors etc. the patient was issued a locker and they were locked up. Even blowdryers had to be signed out before using. The staff me included was trained in take down and restraints if needed and an order for a major tranquilzer to be given and the pdoc called. All got a regular physical too. Phillipa
Posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 19:22:08
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » beachbum, posted by Maxime on October 20, 2007, at 17:56:45
No one ever found out that I was cutting and abusing laxatives and I was there for a month.
>
> Maxime
>
>Sorry to interrupt... i am curious about
why you abused laxatives. Is that a kind
of dieting method?Squiggles
Posted by kaleidoscope on October 21, 2007, at 6:48:51
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » alienatari, posted by Maxime on October 20, 2007, at 17:06:19
> I was in group session and was asked "how did what Linda just share make you feel?". My god, such a cliche question! So I answered "horny". That didn't go over very well
Maxie, I just laughed so hard when I read that!!!!
Ed x
Posted by kaleidoscope on October 21, 2007, at 6:50:55
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help?, posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 1:02:20
D, that was pretty funny!
Posted by kaleidoscope on October 21, 2007, at 6:54:14
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Squiggles, posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2007, at 15:48:25
I was once in hospital and the nurses locked this helpless old women in isolation just because she was making too much noise. She was confused and agitated so it wasn't her fault. I'm sure an hour in the isolation 'cupboard' was really therapeutic. Surely it would have been more helpful just to take her for a walk in the garden or something.
Posted by Maxime on October 21, 2007, at 14:08:47
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Maxime, posted by Squiggles on October 20, 2007, at 19:22:08
> No one ever found out that I was cutting and abusing laxatives and I was there for a month.
> >
> > Maxime
> >
> >
>
> Sorry to interrupt... i am curious about
> why you abused laxatives. Is that a kind
> of dieting method?
>
> SquigglesIt's an eating disorder behaviour that doesn't work, but you lose water weight so the scale does go down. Does more harm than good. Once you start to abuse them, it's hard to stop.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on October 21, 2007, at 14:11:18
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Maxime, posted by kaleidoscope on October 21, 2007, at 6:48:51
> > I was in group session and was asked "how did what Linda just share make you feel?". My god, such a cliche question! So I answered "horny". That didn't go over very well
>
> Maxie, I just laughed so hard when I read that!!!!
>
> Ed xHey Ed *hugs*
I didn't plan on saying it ... it was the first thing that came out of my mouth. The people in charge didn't share our humour. :)
xxx
Maxie
Posted by Squiggles on October 21, 2007, at 15:10:20
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Squiggles, posted by Maxime on October 21, 2007, at 14:08:47
> It's an eating disorder behaviour that doesn't work, but you lose water weight so the scale does go down. Does more harm than good. Once you start to abuse them, it's hard to stop.
>
> Maxime
>I'd be afraid of an electrolyte disturbance,
and the drugs going up. For disorders like
anorexia and bulimia, lithium is a good drug
and it can be taken in small non-bipolar amounts.Squiggles
Posted by cumulative on October 21, 2007, at 19:00:39
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
You get rude, unprofessional, unmedical (i.e., refusing to treat benzodiazepine withdrawal with what is indicated, because "we don't help people who did stupid things") treatment and a massive bill.
I should have sued some of these hospitals.
Posted by Maxime on October 21, 2007, at 19:40:59
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help? » Maxime, posted by Squiggles on October 21, 2007, at 15:10:20
>
> > It's an eating disorder behaviour that doesn't work, but you lose water weight so the scale does go down. Does more harm than good. Once you start to abuse them, it's hard to stop.
> >
> > Maxime
> >
>
> I'd be afraid of an electrolyte disturbance,
> and the drugs going up. For disorders like
> anorexia and bulimia, lithium is a good drug
> and it can be taken in small non-bipolar amounts.
>
> SquigglesPeople have died from abusing them. But when you have an ED you don't really "fear" much. You know that your behaviours can kill you, but you don't care ... or sometimes, you wish they would kill you.
Lithium was not good for and I am bipolar type 2.
Maxime
Posted by Squiggles on October 21, 2007, at 19:55:49
In reply to Re: do hospitals ever help?, posted by Maxime on October 21, 2007, at 19:40:59
> People have died from abusing them. But when you have an ED you don't really "fear" much. You know that your behaviours can kill you, but you don't care ... or sometimes, you wish they would kill you.
>
> Lithium was not good for and I am bipolar type 2.
>
> MaximeWhat is an ED? Sorry lithium was no good;
something probably does work, but i have seen
drugs being given for too short a time or the
dose being wrong, or the combo... so what could
have worked under the right circumstancs is thrown in the trash. I'm always optimistic because what it takes is knowledge and understanding of what is wrong and how to turn it around.I'm an incurable optimist. Heh, maybe they've got a drug for that. :-)
Squiggles
Posted by KayeBaby on October 22, 2007, at 1:13:16
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
You sound like the only sane person in that hospital!
I think "dry anus" is the funniest thing I have heard in some time. LOL
They really ganged up on you. Why? What is the big deal? It was funny. If I was there with you we would have had fun I'll bet.
Kaye
Posted by Sigismund on October 22, 2007, at 3:02:57
In reply to do hospitals ever help?, posted by alienatari on October 19, 2007, at 22:15:01
The pleasure from humour is less than that from a forced apology.
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