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Posted by Mishal on June 20, 2007, at 23:12:28
HiHave tried edronax in the past with negative effects. I couldn't go beyond the first day. Now, to arrest my concentration problems, I am looking for atomoxetine which sounds good in paper.
But, is it similar to Reboxetine (edronax)? On edronax, I was moody and felt like I have been kicked on my nuts...
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2007, at 7:51:58
In reply to Strattera: Is it an analogue of Edronax?, posted by Mishal on June 20, 2007, at 23:12:28
The two are not chemically related if thats what you're asking. They are related in mechanism. They are both selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. They may affect you the same way, although I hesitate to say that two different meds with the same purported mechanism behave identically.
I don't know anybody who has tried both.
Linkadge
Posted by psychobot5000 on June 21, 2007, at 8:20:28
In reply to Re: Strattera: Is it an analogue of Edronax?, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2007, at 7:51:58
I've tried both, though briefly in each case. I found them to have very different feels and effects, and from what I've heard from others, they've also felt edronax and strattera are quite different.
No idea why that would be the case, but it seems to be.
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2007, at 9:13:33
In reply to Re: Strattera: Is it an analogue of Edronax?, posted by psychobot5000 on June 21, 2007, at 8:20:28
Could you describe the differences that you noticed?
Thanks
Linkadge
Posted by psychobot5000 on June 21, 2007, at 16:19:36
In reply to Re: Strattera: Is it an analogue of Edronax? » psychobot5000, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2007, at 9:13:33
> Could you describe the differences that you noticed?
Sure. Essentially, they felt like entirely different effects. Reboxetine/Edronax felt like being a little wired. Not happier, but more a little more energized, alert-feeling and tense. It made it difficult to sleep, and difficult to feel normal or relax.Strattera was quite different. For the first few hours of the dose, there was a feeling of well-being--a mild euphoria, actually. Attitude and concentration were much improved, and I felt more relaxed. Added to this was a feeling of sleepiness. Not physical weariness, but drowsiness--a fairly strong dose of drowsiness. I assumed I had slept particularly poorly, and actively sought out opportunities to take a nap. As I kept taking the medication over a period of days, the feeling of well-being gradually diminished, until after two weeks or so, I could no longer detect it. It came back only slightly after I took a break from the medication, then disappeared again. However, the drowsiness stayed permanently, with no sign of abating, so I ultimately did not find Strattera useful either.
I'm not aware of any long term studies on it, but from what I've read, some prescribers who write about it seem to believe that its benefits can stay in the long term (though I think it's notable that stimulants are still the first-line treatment for most) I'm also not certain that everyone gets the drowsiness part of it. But anyway, that was my experience.
Psychbot5000
Posted by Malcolm664 on June 22, 2007, at 5:19:47
In reply to Re: Strattera and Edronax/Reboxetine experiences » linkadge, posted by psychobot5000 on June 21, 2007, at 16:19:36
> > Could you describe the differences that you noticed?
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> Sure. Essentially, they felt like entirely different effects. Reboxetine/Edronax felt like being a little wired. Not happier, but more a little more energized, alert-feeling and tense. It made it difficult to sleep, and difficult to feel normal or relax.
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> Strattera was quite different. For the first few hours of the dose, there was a feeling of well-being--a mild euphoria, actually. Attitude and concentration were much improved, and I felt more relaxed. Added to this was a feeling of sleepiness. Not physical weariness, but drowsiness--a fairly strong dose of drowsiness. I assumed I had slept particularly poorly, and actively sought out opportunities to take a nap. As I kept taking the medication over a period of days, the feeling of well-being gradually diminished, until after two weeks or so, I could no longer detect it. It came back only slightly after I took a break from the medication, then disappeared again. However, the drowsiness stayed permanently, with no sign of abating, so I ultimately did not find Strattera useful either.
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> I'm not aware of any long term studies on it, but from what I've read, some prescribers who write about it seem to believe that its benefits can stay in the long term (though I think it's notable that stimulants are still the first-line treatment for most) I'm also not certain that everyone gets the drowsiness part of it. But anyway, that was my experience.
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> Psychbot5000
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>I've been on Stratera twice and both times I had a very strange reaction which caused me to get of the med. It made it IMPOSSIBLE to urinate.
That and I don't think that I felt anything on the med at all?
Both the doc who prescribed it as well as another one I had consulted with had heard of anyone having this reaction. I even called the manufacturer of the drug and they hadn't heard of anyone having this reaction.
Not that it matters (I'm not about to try again), but does anyone know why Statera would cause this response in me?
Posted by linkadge on June 22, 2007, at 7:36:51
In reply to Re: Strattera and Edronax/Reboxetine experiences, posted by Malcolm664 on June 22, 2007, at 5:19:47
Its definately quite possable. Inability to urinate may be a symtpom of cholinergic insufficiancy. This can occur with TCA's, but theoretically could occur with a strong noradrenergic med.
Did you have any other side effects such as dry mouth?
Linkadge
Posted by malcolm664 on June 22, 2007, at 21:11:24
In reply to Re: Strattera and Edronax/Reboxetine experiences, posted by linkadge on June 22, 2007, at 7:36:51
> Its definately quite possable. Inability to urinate may be a symtpom of cholinergic insufficiancy. This can occur with TCA's, but theoretically could occur with a strong noradrenergic med.
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> Did you have any other side effects such as dry mouth?
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> LinkadgeNo, that was the only effect I noticed. Otherwise, it felt like I was swallowing blanks. The thing is that I had a telephone consultation with a doctor (Dr. Ned Hallowell) who's a world-renowned expert in treating ADD and even he hadn't heard of anyone having this reaction (and you would think that he would at least have known something about it;
(as an aside, my experience with Dr. Hallowell is that his much praised book and he himself as a physician were very over-rated)
Malcolm
Posted by linkadge on June 23, 2007, at 8:27:53
In reply to Re: Strattera and Edronax/Reboxetine experiences, posted by malcolm664 on June 22, 2007, at 21:11:24
I think some doctors just say stuff like that.
"Sexual side effects? I've never heard of somebody haveing those"
Another thing too is that there will be selective reporting for a while untill some people gain confidence about the validity of certain side effects.
For instance, a patient may not have made the association of urinary hesitancy and strattera untill they hear of the side effect. Then they may say "yeah", I got that side effect.
Linkadge
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