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Posted by johnnyj on February 26, 2007, at 17:20:31
Took 25 mg of luvox last night and was wide awake after two hours of sleep. In desparation I downed .5-mg of Klonopin. First time taking it. Tranzene made me horribly depressed but I was kind of freaking out last night. Actually thought I was dying or something. Totally scared of benzos.
I finally feel asleep and my wife had to wake me up at 6:30, that has never happened. I felt kind of drugged all morning and probably should have taken half of it. I had very little muscle spasms or twitches all day. I felt decent too. I am coming to the realization that I suffer from anxiety and that is my main problem. I never wanted to believe it and have fought it. Why? what do I have to be anxious about? I understand it is useless to think like that. I am just what I am.
I am not sure what to do from here on out. Do I wait and see if the luvox anxious feelings settle down and then I won't need the benzo? Or do I see if anothere ssri does not cause so much anxiety or weird feelings. I am afraid of getting depressed on K because I would be lost without it so I need to be carefull. Tough road ahead. Thanks for listening.
johnnyj
Posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 18:51:35
In reply to Klonopin....wow, posted by johnnyj on February 26, 2007, at 17:20:31
Yes, I think klonopin can cause problems, but that it can also be a godsend. But look, I think it takes a long period of regular use to develop problems, and some people apparently (per their reports) never do. I also don't think it always makes people depressed either- if it did, why would any doctor prescribe it to an already depressed person? As for the difficulties I personally had with it after a long period of regular use, I do not have any evidence or belief that increased depression was any part of it. I don't think you should worry that klonopin=depression. Yes, very potent med, and long lasting. But sounds that you are aware of the risks, and so are well equipped to notice if anything ever starts going awry.I've wondered where some of my own anxiety comes from- some of it is clear, some not. Bodily anxiety is most perplexing- I can pep talk myself into positive thinking, rational explanaitions and all that, but my body hasn't always kept up. So frustrating. I've been told that so much of what our brains process is in the part we are not conscious of- maybe that could explain some of the mystery anxiety?
Have you been on luxov long? What does your doctor think? If it perists in acting the way it has, maybe it's just too activating or in some other way disagreeable for you, and another med would be better? I think you should discuss with your doctor, and perhaps inquire about seeing a sleep specialist, if that seems appropriate. I've had a couple sleep studies, and the results are quite fascinating and can be helpful in designing treatment. And the sleep specialist might have additional insights into what's going on for you- two minds can be better than one, and they would be looking from different angles and areas of expertise, too.
Good luck!
> Took 25 mg of luvox last night and was wide awake after two hours of sleep. In desparation I downed .5-mg of Klonopin. First time taking it. Tranzene made me horribly depressed but I was kind of freaking out last night. Actually thought I was dying or something. Totally scared of benzos.
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> I finally feel asleep and my wife had to wake me up at 6:30, that has never happened. I felt kind of drugged all morning and probably should have taken half of it. I had very little muscle spasms or twitches all day. I felt decent too. I am coming to the realization that I suffer from anxiety and that is my main problem. I never wanted to believe it and have fought it. Why? what do I have to be anxious about? I understand it is useless to think like that. I am just what I am.
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> I am not sure what to do from here on out. Do I wait and see if the luvox anxious feelings settle down and then I won't need the benzo? Or do I see if anothere ssri does not cause so much anxiety or weird feelings. I am afraid of getting depressed on K because I would be lost without it so I need to be carefull. Tough road ahead. Thanks for listening.
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> johnnyj
Posted by johnnyj on February 26, 2007, at 21:28:21
In reply to Re: Klonopin....wow » johnnyj, posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 18:51:35
Hello Laima,
I have only been on luvox 4 days and klonopin one night. I think what helped me with the klonopin is it stopped my twitching and spasms. I am going to take half a dose tonight. I did ok today. Felt more relaxed. I can handle some daytime anxiety it is the nighttime when I can't sleep that gets me.
I took my luvox right after dinner and for the first hour or so had a faster beating heart. I will be looking into something different. I just thought luvox would have less SE so I went with it. It may come to a point that just feeling good will mean I put up with sexual SE. Not a good thought but I have to function first at work before anything else.
What meds do you take?
johnnyj
Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2007, at 21:33:16
In reply to Klonopin....wow, posted by johnnyj on February 26, 2007, at 17:20:31
Klonopin made me feel suicidal when I wasn't my pdoc at the time immediately switched me back to xanax. It has a short half life would be a good one for your anxiety or ativan. I have yet to find an SSRI that helps anxiety. But that's just me. Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 22:55:46
In reply to Re: Klonopin....wow » laima, posted by johnnyj on February 26, 2007, at 21:28:21
Oh- you haven't been on luvox all that long- maybe see what your doctor thinks. I recall that when I started prozac it was QUITE stimulating at the very beginning, then mellowed out before too long. I don't know anything about luvox, though, so have no further insight to toss out and offer you.I'm on Emsam/adderall now, with occasional klonopin for "emergency". I only take it when it REALLY seems like the thing to do. Due to the problems I've had with klonopin in the past, I have zero desire to risk restarting another tolerance/withdrawal mess. But that's just me.
Posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 22:57:06
In reply to Re: Klonopin....wow » johnnyj, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2007, at 21:33:16
Actually- I understand klonopin has a very long half-life- 10 hours maybe? Long enough to last through the night and well into the next day in any case.> Klonopin made me feel suicidal when I wasn't my pdoc at the time immediately switched me back to xanax. It has a short half life would be a good one for your anxiety or ativan. I have yet to find an SSRI that helps anxiety. But that's just me. Love Phillipa
Posted by Quintal on February 26, 2007, at 23:48:10
In reply to Re: Klonopin....wow » Phillipa, posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 22:57:06
Klonopin has a half-life of 18-50 hours according to Ashton's chart. It was my drug of choice too, and I abused it, but I wouldn't discourage people from using it when they're really suffering. Have you considered Lyrica johnyj? I don't know whether it actually has many of the same problems as benzos, but from what I've heard it has powerful antidepressant properties (sometimes euphoric) and it can be a good anxiolytic.
Q
Posted by johnnyj on February 27, 2007, at 15:08:44
In reply to Re: Klonopin....wow, posted by Quintal on February 26, 2007, at 23:48:10
I have not heard of lyrica before. I have had more anxiety the last few days and it is disturbing. I don't think the luvox is for me. I believe my OCD is from GAD and luvox doesn't appear to be first line treatemnt for GAD. The klonopin last night 0.25-mg gave me about 7 hours of sleep. But I feel weird today. Just jumpy. I was like that after taking the luvox last night after dinner. Second dose at 25-mg. Not good that is for sure. The say ssri's cause anxiety at the start but for how long and what to do until it quiets, if it quiets.
It appears paxil and effexor are for gad but those are heavy hitters. I wonder about lexapro. It is tought to tell which to try. I have been yawning ALL Day. This is not good. Having a worse time concentrating too.
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