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Posted by Quintal on December 14, 2006, at 22:26:23
In reply to I Did It Again and it 's My Fault, posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 12:08:31
Have you tried Ambien or Lunesta Phillipa? When I took benzos I still needed a sleep aid. As someone else suggested, you could try trazodone (which has antidepressant effects as well as being an effective sleep aid), or Remeron, trimipramine etc?
You are not to blame for taking the meds doctors told you to take - as you said, you refused to take the dose as high as they wanted you to in any case.
I was fully informed about the addictive nature of benzos before I started taking them, it is my fault I became addicted, but you were not aware of this problem when you first took them on the advice of your doctor Phillipa. It is *not* your fault that you are in this situation for taking drugs as the doctor prescribed. It's a shame on the medical profession that they are not doing more to help you.
>I think of xanax . I'm not even dressed yet and feel like s*it. I want to be normal and normal people don't get up at ll am spaced out and starting 2.5mg of prozac feel worse. Also regulating thyroid. What is wrong with me and how to get over fear of anxiety that wakes me up. The day is over I've done nothing. I'm failing. Love Phillipa
>Most of my days are like this and I'm 24. As other people have said you've worked hard all your life and now you've earned a rest - you're entitled to a 'lie in' in the morning if you feel like it!
Q
Posted by bipolarspectrum on December 14, 2006, at 22:52:12
In reply to I Did It Again and it 's My Fault, posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 12:08:31
Hi P,
I havent read all the other posts, but have u considered a mood stabilizer?? Depakote has helped my sleep significantly and my anxiety... Many of the other mood stabilizers can have similar effects... they are definately an option worth looking into, especially if your not responding to the regular antidepressants/benzos, etc...
bps
Posted by 10derHeart on December 14, 2006, at 23:06:17
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on December 14, 2006, at 16:23:33
> but sometimes you act like you are the only person who is suffering.
It's great to try to understand another poster's frustration, but at the same time, please be sensitive to their feelings by not posting things that could lead them to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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Posted by 10derHeart on December 14, 2006, at 23:06:24
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime, posted by stargazer on December 14, 2006, at 19:28:14
>>refrain from posting a belittling or judgemental post to make them feel badly.
I appreciate your intent here to post something supportive to Phillipa and the community as a whole, stargazer. Thank you for that.
But in order to abide by the rules here, it's usually best to stay away from characterizing posts negatively, so as not to cause the posters to feel accused or put down [as well].
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 23:12:51
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault, posted by bipolarspectrum on December 14, 2006, at 22:52:12
No I haven't looked into Depakote although Scott mentioned it the other day. I did get to 50mg of lamictal liked it but got an uncommon side effect of excess salivation couldn't deal with the spitting disgusting. I was on trileptal at l50mg stopped it cause of the expense. What do you think of trileptal?Think I still have a few in my big box of meds. Love Phillipa
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 14, 2006, at 23:24:16
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault » bipolarspectrum, posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 23:12:51
Please, Jan, please continue to share what is going on with your life. That is what this board is for. As you can see, there are plenty of people that want to help you.
Posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 23:26:09
In reply to Re: This board is for expressing yourself, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 14, 2006, at 23:24:16
Michael you're a sweetie. Love Phillipa
Posted by MidnightBlue on December 15, 2006, at 0:08:54
In reply to Re: I Did It Again » ClearSkies, posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 20:12:06
I took Valium in the 70s and in the 80s at least part of the time. It helped migraine headaches and helped counter agitation from high doses of Wellbutrin. I never took Xanax or Antivan. The only benzo type drug I take now is Ambien. I can live without it, I just don't sleep.
If you want to go off Valium, I think you can. It will just be a long slow process. I still think your thyroid is your main problem. Hang in there!
MB
Posted by saturn on December 15, 2006, at 7:40:11
In reply to I Did It Again and it 's My Fault, posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 12:08:31
Phillipa have you ever tried Remeron?
Posted by Crazy Horse on December 15, 2006, at 10:34:52
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime, posted by stargazer on December 14, 2006, at 19:28:14
> I don't think you are being fair to Phillipa, we should all be able to come here and express ourselves freely without judgement. I would hate to think others here are judging who is suffering more or less. This is not a contest to judge level of one's suffering, we would all lose, that's why we are here. We all have lots of suffering, no one's is any better or worse than our own, even though in words it may seem like it. You would know from all of the postings here that one good day can turn into many bad days overnight.
>
> Why do you say 'it could be a lot worse'? Who are you to judge that, some of your recent posts were also expressed in an 'urgent' light. Others might not have considered them 'urgent' but the best way to handle that is to refrain from posting a belittling or judgemental post to make them feel badly. That is uncalled for. It is obvious Phillipa feels badly enough.
>
> Stargazer
>I agree 100% w/Stargazer. Maxime, you are one to talk, every post you write is all about you...sorry, but it's true.
-Monte
Posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 16:48:51
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime, posted by stargazer on December 14, 2006, at 19:28:14
I don't think I am being insensitive. I will leave it at that in order to remain civil.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 16:52:37
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime » stargazer, posted by Crazy Horse on December 15, 2006, at 10:34:52
>
> I agree 100% w/Stargazer. Maxime, you are one to talk, every post you write is all about you...sorry, but it's true.
>
> -MonteThat's wrong. I support others when I can.
You are MEAN!
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 17:38:13
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime » Crazy Horse, posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 16:52:37
Phillipa, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings with my post. I don't go out of my way to hurt people ... I am a direct person, and sometimes things I write or say come across the wrong way to others.
I am sorry.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2006, at 20:48:30
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?, posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 17:38:13
Everyone please don't get in trouble over me. I'm grateful for all of your responses. And forgive you Maxie and thank Stargazer and Monte for defending me. And yes I tried remeron with benzos two years ago and nothing Saturn. Oh well. I'll have to live without sleep. If I could stop worrying I would be okay. Love Phillipa
Posted by saturn on December 15, 2006, at 21:36:28
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault? » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2006, at 20:48:30
Phillipa perhaps a sleep specialist could help you. I don't mean to suggest that your current doc can't help you, but it is just a thought. And thoughts of peace to your mind as well.
Posted by Crazy Horse on December 15, 2006, at 21:36:52
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime » Crazy Horse, posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 16:52:37
>
> >
> > I agree 100% w/Stargazer. Maxime, you are one to talk, every post you write is all about you...sorry, but it's true.
> >
> > -Monte
>
> That's wrong. I support others when I can.
>
> You are MEAN!
>
> MaximeLOL..the truth hurts!
-Monte
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2006, at 22:06:01
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime » Maxime, posted by Crazy Horse on December 15, 2006, at 21:36:52
Please be careful my friend. Love Phillipa
Posted by 10derHeart on December 16, 2006, at 11:41:28
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime » Maxime, posted by Crazy Horse on December 15, 2006, at 21:36:52
>Maxime, you are one to talk, every post you write is all about you...sorry, but it's true.
> LOL..the truth hurts!
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Respectfully,
10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by 10derHeart on December 16, 2006, at 11:41:36
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault?maxime » Crazy Horse, posted by Maxime on December 15, 2006, at 16:52:37
>You are MEAN!
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Respectfully,
10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2006, at 16:02:41
In reply to Please be civil » Crazy Horse, posted by 10derHeart on December 16, 2006, at 11:41:28
> Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Because I've asked him to be civil before, I'm going to block him from posting for a week instead.
Bob
PS: According to the current system:
previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 6 weeks
uncivil toward a particular individual or group: yes
particularly uncivil: no
different type of incivility: no
clearly didn't understand PBC and made effort to reply: no
provoked: no
uncivil in multiple posts at same time: yes
already archived: noIf we take 6 weeks, divide by 10, and round, that's a reduction of 1 week. If we apply that to his previous block, that takes him back to 0. And if we go from there, that's 1 week.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2006, at 16:02:44
In reply to Please be civil » Maxime, posted by 10derHeart on December 16, 2006, at 11:41:36
> Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Because I've asked her to be civil before, I'm going to block her from posting for a week instead.
Bob
PS: According to the current system:
previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 84 weeks
uncivil toward a particular individual or group: yes
particularly uncivil: no
different type of incivility: no
clearly didn't understand PBC and made effort to reply: no
provoked: yes
uncivil in multiple posts at same time: no
already archived: noIf we take 84 weeks, divide by 10, and round, that's a reduction of 8 weeks. If we apply that to her previous block, that takes her back to 0. And if we go from there, that's 1 week.
Posted by Phillipa on December 16, 2006, at 18:39:04
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Maxime, posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2006, at 16:02:44
I'm sorry you guys. Love Phillipa
Posted by Cecilia on December 17, 2006, at 8:03:54
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Maxime, posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2006, at 16:02:44
Dr. Bob, with your blockage calculations, if you get tired of being a pdoc, you'd have an excellent career with the IRS! Cecilia
Posted by bipolarspectrum on December 18, 2006, at 13:36:02
In reply to Re: I Did It Again and it 's My Fault » bipolarspectrum, posted by Phillipa on December 14, 2006, at 23:12:51
Hi P,
I think trileptal is ok, but its kinda 'weak' so to speak... I would recommend Depakote it has greater potency and is tried, tested and true... plus, you seem to have certain issues and depakote is highly effective for sleep and anxiety... I mean, really effeective.. if it works, you will know sooner, rather than later... I am actually quite surprised you haven't tried it already... its like lithium, a 'gold standard', in treatment of many mental health illnessses..
bpsNo I haven't looked into Depakote although Scott mentioned it the other day. I did get to 50mg of lamictal liked it but got an uncommon side effect of excess salivation couldn't deal with the spitting disgusting. I was on trileptal at l50mg stopped it cause of the expense. What do you think of trileptal?Think I still have a few in my big box of meds. Love Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 23, 2006, at 11:07:16
In reply to Please be civil » Maxime, posted by 10derHeart on December 16, 2006, at 11:41:36
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061202/msgs/715864.html
Thanks,
Bob
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