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Posted by Robert Dott on July 7, 2006, at 14:57:11
Hi, I am a 24 year old male from the UK who has social anxiety and depression. After reading about nardil i got my hopes up untill i read about the formulation changes. All i am asking is . . . is it worthwhile even considering now? (for someone who has not taken it before but tried other medication). I have tried parnate and it was very effective combined with klonopin but I read nardil was even better according to most. Also, is it still considered to be the single most effectve medication out there for SA and/or depression? most of the info and posts saying so is dated before the formulation change so it's very confusing! Im going back onto medication shortly so hopefully your feedback will help me come to the decision. Thanks for any input - robert. any questions you wanna ask me feel free or email me if you can , Thanks again!
Posted by willyee on July 7, 2006, at 21:37:04
In reply to Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by Robert Dott on July 7, 2006, at 14:57:11
> Hi, I am a 24 year old male from the UK who has social anxiety and depression. After reading about nardil i got my hopes up untill i read about the formulation changes. All i am asking is . . . is it worthwhile even considering now? (for someone who has not taken it before but tried other medication). I have tried parnate and it was very effective combined with klonopin but I read nardil was even better according to most. Also, is it still considered to be the single most effectve medication out there for SA and/or depression? most of the info and posts saying so is dated before the formulation change so it's very confusing! Im going back onto medication shortly so hopefully your feedback will help me come to the decision. Thanks for any input - robert. any questions you wanna ask me feel free or email me if you can , Thanks again!
I personaly think Nardil has aquired a love/hate profile......people who dont do well on it really dont,and people who do praise it,i personaly did not,but i am a logical person and i cant deny the hard proof from quite a few people here who say the drug has made a WORLD of difference here.
I also on the same not cant deny the hundreds upon hundreds of ex users,some who were vetern users for 20 plus years strongly protest the formulation change having such an effect.
All and all i definatly think it remains a strong option for SA and depression.
Id go over a few things if i were you,first google the words Nardil.....social anxiety group to view the entire community that exsists and soly addresses the formulation change.
This community feels so strong as to this problem that they have been attempting to address it in court,i dont know the outcome of that.
Id also google some old posts from Micheal bell,Ace,and chairman maoi arcvied to this group soly.
That should offer a balanced view.
I personaly would have jumped at the oppurnity to have tried the ORIGNAL Nardil,as i have not had success with the new one.
Some things to note.....Main issues with Nardil,which do have options are,
--- Weight gain
---- Sexual Dysfunction
Good luck on ur search.
Posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2006, at 22:59:07
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by willyee on July 7, 2006, at 21:37:04
A lot of posters with social anxiety and depression love nardil. Love Phillipa Ace is the nardil champ. Google Ace on the Dr. Bob side of google on the bottom of this board. Good luck Love Phillipa
Posted by Tom Twilight on July 8, 2006, at 8:29:02
In reply to Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by Robert Dott on July 7, 2006, at 14:57:11
Hey Robert
I have social anxiety and live in the UK to!
So I know were your coming from on this horrible condition.
You don't need to worry though, the dreaded "New Nardil" is the American formulation, not the UK formulation.
The UK Nardil is completely differentGood luck finding a Doc who will prescribe it, though!
I've seen several docs in the UK and none have had much understanding of SA
Sorry this post is rather brief, my internet is not working so I'm having to use the library computer.
Posted by willyee on July 8, 2006, at 11:02:48
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2006, at 22:59:07
> A lot of posters with social anxiety and depression love nardil. Love Phillipa Ace is the nardil champ. Google Ace on the Dr. Bob side of google on the bottom of this board. Good luck Love Phillipa
That is not relavent to post,Ace claiming he is the nardil champ is a nonsensable statment.
Googling ace is a great idea simply because he is a long time user on the drug who has had a lot of success with it.
But there are many users who havent,and this poster is making a serious inquiry,ace`s claim is a humourous social one,one which i even at this point dont understand is allowed on a medication group.
I dont understand why dr bob is not holding everyone to the same standerds,making a claim that you are a champ of some medication is a social discussion.
You have often made responses to ace i felt belonged re directed to social,i say this because you rightfully explain to others about there post needing to be re directed,all of your post about being the nardil champ and u the queen also need to be re directed as well to the social board.
I relaise im not going to be like much but honestly i cant bite my tongue much longer,too often latly im seeing people not being held to the same standerds.
Ace stating he is a nardil champ is not a valid medical claim,far from it.It can misleading to someone who might think since its allowed here that he has some form of special knowledage on it,when the anxiety social group on nardil are packed full of people who know so much on nardils make up it would make ur head spin.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 8, 2006, at 11:31:49
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by Tom Twilight on July 8, 2006, at 8:29:02
I've been taking the "new" Nardil for close to three years now for atypical depression. I've never taken the old version. It's been the only AD that's ever had any real effect for me. Presently I supplement it with 100 mg Lamictal for any residual depression, and provigil for ADHD.
If you can deal with the dietary restrictions, which I find very doable, and you do not have intolerable side effects, I say go for it. I've had some annoying side effects which seem dose-dependent, but many have gone away, and I am able to keep my dose at 60 mg or less with the Lamictal. This seems to help me avoid adverse side effects.
Good luck,
gg
Posted by Phillipa on July 8, 2006, at 20:32:54
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by gardenergirl on July 8, 2006, at 11:31:49
GG glad it's working so well for you too. Maybe the other's it working so well for should also chime in. Love Phillipa
Posted by Questionmark on July 8, 2006, at 23:51:41
In reply to Nardil - worthwhile?, posted by Robert Dott on July 7, 2006, at 14:57:11
Hi. I'm a 26 year old male from the US with the same "conditions," if the similarities are relevant at all.
But yes, Nardil is amazing. And yes, it is still a powerful, amazing, miraculous drug even after the formulation change. I never took the old formulation, but I know that Nardil has still helped me more than I could have ever realistically expected for almost three years now. Yes, it's worth it. At least try it. But don't start out skyrocketing to a high dose-- or the side effects will break you. But try it at a gradually & reasonably increasing dose, for at least a week or two bare minimum-- but preferably at LEAST a month.
Nardil is my cure. It's by no means a full cure or without its costs (side effects), but it is my cure. And it is and has been many, many others' as well.
{Oh and make sure you know about the dietary and medication restrictions. It's really no big deal, unless you love aged cheese more than life itself. But you don't definitely want to know the absolute no-no's, especially w/ other drugs.}> Hi, I am a 24 year old male from the UK who has social anxiety and depression. After reading about nardil i got my hopes up untill i read about the formulation changes. All i am asking is . . . is it worthwhile even considering now? (for someone who has not taken it before but tried other medication). I have tried parnate and it was very effective combined with klonopin but I read nardil was even better according to most. Also, is it still considered to be the single most effectve medication out there for SA and/or depression? most of the info and posts saying so is dated before the formulation change so it's very confusing! Im going back onto medication shortly so hopefully your feedback will help me come to the decision. Thanks for any input - robert. any questions you wanna ask me feel free or email me if you can , Thanks again!
Posted by Robert Dott on July 9, 2006, at 3:59:21
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile? (YES!) » Robert Dott, posted by Questionmark on July 8, 2006, at 23:51:41
first off i would like to thank everyone for thier input especially questionmarks as i found it the most relevant reply to my post but thanks to everyone else who also made the effort, much appreciated! I have actually been looking at these boards for about 2 years now without ever joining and posting - just reading up on posts about SA and depression and all the different drugs used for treatment. The reason i asked about the efficacy of nardil after the formulation change is because it would have to be the U.S manufactured version of the drug I would be taking. The reason for this is because I will not go to my doctors and ask for treatment and have self medicated in the past first off with paxil, then parnate and klonopin combined. Parnate and klonopin was about 70 percent effective but I decided to come off it because of side effects. People mentioned that I seemed happier on the pills and more talkative were as before they werent sure what kind of mood I was going to be in. My depression and social anxiety has returned and when I was at a wedding recently it relly opened up my eyes when I was told by some members of my family to seek help because people were noticing that I was not saying very much and appereard down. In fact my sisters exact words were that it appeared as though the lights were on but no one was at home >>>> ie when people were attempting conversation with me they werent getting much joy - but that was me trying! And when I saw the wedding photos I was tottaly shocked at how glum i looked like the chief mourner at a funeral and everyone else was smiling in the photos. I must say the wedding was a struggle for me but i went anyway trying to be social, lol. well I am going to give Nardil a try. Not worried about side effects this time - i'd rather have a life!!
Posted by Questionmark on July 11, 2006, at 23:48:03
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile? (YES!), posted by Robert Dott on July 9, 2006, at 3:59:21
> first off i would like to thank everyone for thier input especially questionmarks as i found it the most relevant reply to my post but thanks to everyone else who also made the effort, much appreciated! I have actually been looking at these boards for about 2 years now without ever joining and posting - just reading up on posts about SA and depression and all the different drugs used for treatment. The reason i asked about the efficacy of nardil after the formulation change is because it would have to be the U.S manufactured version of the drug I would be taking. The reason for this is because I will not go to my doctors and ask for treatment and have self medicated in the past first off with paxil, then parnate and klonopin combined. Parnate and klonopin was about 70 percent effective but I decided to come off it because of side effects. People mentioned that I seemed happier on the pills and more talkative were as before they werent sure what kind of mood I was going to be in. My depression and social anxiety has returned and when I was at a wedding recently it relly opened up my eyes when I was told by some members of my family to seek help because people were noticing that I was not saying very much and appereard down. In fact my sisters exact words were that it appeared as though the lights were on but no one was at home >>>> ie when people were attempting conversation with me they werent getting much joy - but that was me trying! And when I saw the wedding photos I was tottaly shocked at how glum i looked like the chief mourner at a funeral and everyone else was smiling in the photos. I must say the wedding was a struggle for me but i went anyway trying to be social, lol. well I am going to give Nardil a try. Not worried about side effects this time - i'd rather have a life!!Oh man, that's too bad. I remember that type of thing happening to me though before-- seeing photos or video of myself and being surprised at how "glum" (that's a good description) I look. I have found that (although Nardil probably made/makes me much more *capable* of this) just trying to smile a lot and laugh (though not overdoing it, of course) can help me feel significantly less awkward in an uncomfortable social setting-- especially when thinking back on it afterward. But.. eh, it's so much easier to talk about than to actually do. .. That, and talking in an uncomfortable social setting, and.. all of it. Just thinking back on life before Nardil makes me... cringe.
But, don't worry it'll get better. And REMEMBER-- the more you practice the easier it will get and the more confident you will get, but it takes time.
Posted by Robert Dott on July 12, 2006, at 16:03:03
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile? (YES!) » Robert Dott, posted by Questionmark on July 11, 2006, at 23:48:03
thanks again questionmark!! I have found over the last couple of years that my anxiety is much reduced in certain situations due to me working on it so to speak and hopefully the pills will improve on that and in other times too. Im glad you have found what works for you as it really is a debilitating illness for anyone. If it wasnt for the internet I wouldnt even know I had this condition I just thought I was an awkward person or just extremely shy or something, lol. Maybe, just maybe I will have as much success as you on the meds - only time will tell. Im not hoping for a miracle cure (well maybe thats a lie) but we'll see what happens. Thanks again.
Posted by jedi on July 14, 2006, at 23:59:14
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile? (YES!), posted by Robert Dott on July 12, 2006, at 16:03:03
Hi Robert,
I have been on Nardil with clonazepam for most of the past ten years. It is the only medication I have found, out of many trials, that helps my treatment resistant atypical depression and social anxiety. Currently I am working on a letter to my MD to see if he will let me add modafinil to help with the residual anhedonia and apathy. I wish Parnate would have worked for me because of less weight gain and orgasm delay. But, sadly it didn't.Nardil is not without problems, but for many people-when it works, it is like seeing the light. When it started working for me, the first time I used it, the effects were amazing.
I have taken both the old and new version of the medication. I believe there is some difference but the main ingredient, phenelzine sulfate, and it's metabolites are the same.
Good luck on your trial.
Be Well,
Jedi> thanks again questionmark!! I have found over the last couple of years that my anxiety is much reduced in certain situations due to me working on it so to speak and hopefully the pills will improve on that and in other times too. Im glad you have found what works for you as it really is a debilitating illness for anyone. If it wasnt for the internet I wouldnt even know I had this condition I just thought I was an awkward person or just extremely shy or something, lol. Maybe, just maybe I will have as much success as you on the meds - only time will tell. Im not hoping for a miracle cure (well maybe thats a lie) but we'll see what happens. Thanks again.
Posted by Robert Dott on July 16, 2006, at 14:29:58
In reply to Re: Nardil - worthwhile? (YES!) » Robert Dott, posted by jedi on July 14, 2006, at 23:59:14
I will make a journal of my progress and post it up here for everyone to see.
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