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Posted by MARTY on April 5, 2006, at 14:24:18
I'm currently at 90mg (3x 30mg day). Where can I go from here in term of dosage ? is there any more agressive one that have been tried with success without too much risk ? At 60mg I already didn't feel my dick.. at 90mg I don't even know when I piss! what about 120mg, will my thing fall on the ground ?Any opinion is welcomed
and, yes, I know.. my milleage can vary ;)Marty
Posted by Declan on April 5, 2006, at 14:32:04
In reply to NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :P, posted by MARTY on April 5, 2006, at 14:24:18
I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on April 5, 2006, at 14:42:59
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :, posted by Declan on April 5, 2006, at 14:32:04
Hi Dec
>hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
45mg is probably too low for a lot of people.
With Nardil, you may have to accept sexual side effects in return for relief of depression and anxiety :( Some people are lucky and find that the sexual side effects decrease in time.Ed
Posted by MARTY on April 5, 2006, at 14:46:08
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :, posted by Declan on April 5, 2006, at 14:32:04
Ahaha
First about the dick feeling thing; It's very personal how one will experience sexual side effects with an AD. For me I got ALL the one I know of, including the 'genital anesthesia' which is a more scientific way of saying "Dick without feelings". Note that Nardil isn't the only AD that has given me this.. ALL AD gave me this and I tried a lot of SSRI. Only Wellbutrin was OK in that regard.
Now for the dosage.. I think 45mg is the lowest therapeutic dosage. But my guess is that as time pass the activating effect diminish enough to make you want to increase you dose to 60mg or 90mg.
I heard that there was a way of calculate the effective dosage. It sounds like 1.5mg for each Kg of your weight (1.5mg/Kg) I may be wrong, in that case expect me to be severly corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me soon enough :P
Marty
> I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
> Declan
Posted by ed_uk on April 5, 2006, at 14:58:51
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » Declan, posted by MARTY on April 5, 2006, at 14:46:08
Hi M
Some people have suggested that 1mg/kg Nardil may be required. I don't really think this simple formula has much value though.
Ed
Posted by gardenergirl on April 5, 2006, at 14:59:15
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » Declan, posted by ed_uk on April 5, 2006, at 14:42:59
I'm on 52.7 mg (3 and a half tabs). I've tried to get back down to 45 mg to decrease the sexual side effects. I call it anorgasmia, but numbness works. But I've gotten more depressed again at 45 mg and usually go back up. At 60 mg I start getting peripheral edema and urinary retention, and I hate that. I've gone as high as 67.5 before but 75 mg gives me akathisia.
Right now I'm augmenting with 100 mg Lamictal and most recently 200 mg Provigil. I'm tempted to lower back down to 45 mg to see if it's okay. I haven't tried this at 100 of Lamictal before, so it might work.
Ideally, I need to find a decent substitute, since if I get pregnant I will need to go off the Nardil. But right now I'm still all about feeling better.
gg
Posted by TylerJ on April 5, 2006, at 15:05:12
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » Declan, posted by MARTY on April 5, 2006, at 14:46:08
> Ahaha
>
> First about the dick feeling thing; It's very personal how one will experience sexual side effects with an AD. For me I got ALL the one I know of, including the 'genital anesthesia' which is a more scientific way of saying "Dick without feelings". Note that Nardil isn't the only AD that has given me this.. ALL AD gave me this and I tried a lot of SSRI. Only Wellbutrin was OK in that regard.
>
> Now for the dosage.. I think 45mg is the lowest therapeutic dosage. But my guess is that as time pass the activating effect diminish enough to make you want to increase you dose to 60mg or 90mg.
>
> I heard that there was a way of calculate the effective dosage. It sounds like 1.5mg for each Kg of your weight (1.5mg/Kg) I may be wrong, in that case expect me to be severly corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me soon enough :P
>
> Marty
>
> > I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
> > Declan
>
>Marty,
When you get on Parnate I bet your wang will come to life again, mine sure did. I'm 47 and I'm as horny as I was at 25. For me Parnate has been an aphrodisiac...I get wood at the drop of a hat, and get worked up just holding hands with my wife. It's sounds crazy, but it's true.Tyler
Posted by Phillipa on April 5, 2006, at 22:06:53
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 5, 2006, at 15:05:12
I don't have a wang. Ha ha Love Phillipa
Posted by gibber on April 5, 2006, at 22:38:07
In reply to NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :P, posted by MARTY on April 5, 2006, at 14:24:18
"will my thing fall on the ground?" LOL
I had a numb dick at 75mg and I had insomnia and it wasn't helping depression too much so I got off. ChairmanMAO always said 1mg/kg body weight and testosterone for sexual sides...I don't know how anyone can get a hold of that though.
Posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 3:33:18
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :, posted by gardenergirl on April 5, 2006, at 14:59:15
Hi gardenergirlHow is akathesia for you ? If I shake one of my leg continuously, does it mean I do some akathesia ?
I'd like to know how is the feeling of provigil added on Nardil .. I'm looking forward to try this combinaison. Plz tell me also if you usually do some anxiety and if the provigil increase this anxiety.
Thank a lot,
Very interested in hearing your answers!Marty
> I'm on 52.7 mg (3 and a half tabs). I've tried to get back down to 45 mg to decrease the sexual side effects. I call it anorgasmia, but numbness works. But I've gotten more depressed again at 45 mg and usually go back up. At 60 mg I start getting peripheral edema and urinary retention, and I hate that. I've gone as high as 67.5 before but 75 mg gives me akathisia.
>
> Right now I'm augmenting with 100 mg Lamictal and most recently 200 mg Provigil. I'm tempted to lower back down to 45 mg to see if it's okay. I haven't tried this at 100 of Lamictal before, so it might work.
>
> Ideally, I need to find a decent substitute, since if I get pregnant I will need to go off the Nardil. But right now I'm still all about feeling better.
>
> gg
Posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 3:36:57
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 5, 2006, at 15:05:12
:| Now you got my attention .. I'd like to know if you usually have sexual side effects on other AD (if the answers is yes, which one gives you some and which doesn't give you some)This is very interesting to me since I'm looking forward to try Parnate if I dont get good result on my increased dose of Nardil (60mg->90mg) ..
It should feel so good be have a good sexual life while feeling good on an AD ... never lived that.. except on Wellbutrin
Marty
> > Ahaha
> >
> > First about the dick feeling thing; It's very personal how one will experience sexual side effects with an AD. For me I got ALL the one I know of, including the 'genital anesthesia' which is a more scientific way of saying "Dick without feelings". Note that Nardil isn't the only AD that has given me this.. ALL AD gave me this and I tried a lot of SSRI. Only Wellbutrin was OK in that regard.
> >
> > Now for the dosage.. I think 45mg is the lowest therapeutic dosage. But my guess is that as time pass the activating effect diminish enough to make you want to increase you dose to 60mg or 90mg.
> >
> > I heard that there was a way of calculate the effective dosage. It sounds like 1.5mg for each Kg of your weight (1.5mg/Kg) I may be wrong, in that case expect me to be severly corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me soon enough :P
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > > I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
> > > Declan
> >
> >
>
> Marty,
> When you get on Parnate I bet your wang will come to life again, mine sure did. I'm 47 and I'm as horny as I was at 25. For me Parnate has been an aphrodisiac...I get wood at the drop of a hat, and get worked up just holding hands with my wife. It's sounds crazy, but it's true.
>
> Tyler
Posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 3:42:38
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :, posted by gibber on April 5, 2006, at 22:38:07
Got to know Mao_Chairman had succes with testosterone. I may try it if I don't find any other antidote. I already got the OK from my PDoc.. I very lucky since I get EVERYTHING I want in the dose a want from my pdoc.. she's my little personnal drug dealer :P saddly the ONLY thing she refused me is an antihypertensive crisis antidote.. they don't gime that in Canada she told me. anywayA funny thing is that in the last 3 post in this thread I'm talking about trying 3 differents drugs/treatment .. LOL I just love my Pdoc.. No lost of time.. 1 years MAX and I'll will have try virtually everything I can imagine of. Hopefully finding something before that happens
Marty> "will my thing fall on the ground?" LOL
> I had a numb dick at 75mg and I had insomnia and it wasn't helping depression too much so I got off. ChairmanMAO always said 1mg/kg body weight and testosterone for sexual sides...I don't know how anyone can get a hold of that though.
Posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 10:47:32
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 3:36:57
>
> :| Now you got my attention .. I'd like to know if you usually have sexual side effects on other AD (if the answers is yes, which one gives you some and which doesn't give you some)
>
> This is very interesting to me since I'm looking forward to try Parnate if I dont get good result on my increased dose of Nardil (60mg->90mg) ..
>
> It should feel so good be have a good sexual life while feeling good on an AD ... never lived that.. except on Wellbutrin
>
> Marty
>
>
> > > Ahaha
> > >
> > > First about the dick feeling thing; It's very personal how one will experience sexual side effects with an AD. For me I got ALL the one I know of, including the 'genital anesthesia' which is a more scientific way of saying "Dick without feelings". Note that Nardil isn't the only AD that has given me this.. ALL AD gave me this and I tried a lot of SSRI. Only Wellbutrin was OK in that regard.
> > >
> > > Now for the dosage.. I think 45mg is the lowest therapeutic dosage. But my guess is that as time pass the activating effect diminish enough to make you want to increase you dose to 60mg or 90mg.
> > >
> > > I heard that there was a way of calculate the effective dosage. It sounds like 1.5mg for each Kg of your weight (1.5mg/Kg) I may be wrong, in that case expect me to be severly corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me soon enough :P
> > >
> > > Marty
> > >
> > > > I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
> > > > Declan
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Marty,
> > When you get on Parnate I bet your wang will come to life again, mine sure did. I'm 47 and I'm as horny as I was at 25. For me Parnate has been an aphrodisiac...I get wood at the drop of a hat, and get worked up just holding hands with my wife. It's sounds crazy, but it's true.
> >
> > Tyler
>
>I had sexual side effects with Nardil too. And many other AD's that I can't remember gave me delayed orgasm-and some complete anorgasmia. Nardil was the worst for me, I do remember that. The others were ssri's and ssri cocktails. Parnate causes 0 sex probs for me.
Ty
Posted by gibber on April 6, 2006, at 12:21:13
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 10:47:32
Tyler,
I didn't know you had taken Nardil. What was your response...just ok, not so good? This gives me hope that parnate will work well for me since nardil gave me only a partial response.G
Posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 13:37:46
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! :, posted by gibber on April 6, 2006, at 12:21:13
> Tyler,
> I didn't know you had taken Nardil. What was your response...just ok, not so good? This gives me hope that parnate will work well for me since nardil gave me only a partial response.
>
> GYea, I took it for about 3 mos. in 1997. Like you, I only got a partial response, and a lot of really freaky side-effects. But, I still think it's an excellent medication, and would try it again before going back to ssri's. Parnate (for me) has been far superior to nardil in all aspects. Good Luck.
Tyler
Posted by gardenergirl on April 6, 2006, at 14:54:25
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » gardenergirl, posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 3:33:18
> How is akathesia for you ? If I shake one of my leg continuously, does it mean I do some akathesia ?
Akathisia is a feeling of restlessness that feels like you're going to jump out of your skin. It helps to move around, but shaking your leg without the accomanying feeling would not necessarily be related. My husband does that as a sort of nervous habit. If you've felt akathisia, you'd know it. It's really unpleasant. You can't sit still or sleep because you feel so restless.
>
> I'd like to know how is the feeling of provigil added on Nardil ..I don't have a lot of overt symptoms of anxiety, although I do tend to be a little excessive with worry. But my primary issue is atypical depression. Provigil hasn't had any adverse effects so far, except maybe a bit of nausea in the a.m. It hasn't increased anxiety or decreased it. I take it to help with ADHD inattentiveness. It's helping a bit with that, along with helping curb the carb cravings associated with Nardil. I'm not all jumping up and down about it, though. Jury's still out on if it's worth it.
Take care,
gg
Posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 15:32:54
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 10:47:32
:) Parnate is so much next on my AD list :PThanks
Marty
> >
> > :| Now you got my attention .. I'd like to know if you usually have sexual side effects on other AD (if the answers is yes, which one gives you some and which doesn't give you some)
> >
> > This is very interesting to me since I'm looking forward to try Parnate if I dont get good result on my increased dose of Nardil (60mg->90mg) ..
> >
> > It should feel so good be have a good sexual life while feeling good on an AD ... never lived that.. except on Wellbutrin
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> > > > Ahaha
> > > >
> > > > First about the dick feeling thing; It's very personal how one will experience sexual side effects with an AD. For me I got ALL the one I know of, including the 'genital anesthesia' which is a more scientific way of saying "Dick without feelings". Note that Nardil isn't the only AD that has given me this.. ALL AD gave me this and I tried a lot of SSRI. Only Wellbutrin was OK in that regard.
> > > >
> > > > Now for the dosage.. I think 45mg is the lowest therapeutic dosage. But my guess is that as time pass the activating effect diminish enough to make you want to increase you dose to 60mg or 90mg.
> > > >
> > > > I heard that there was a way of calculate the effective dosage. It sounds like 1.5mg for each Kg of your weight (1.5mg/Kg) I may be wrong, in that case expect me to be severly corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me soon enough :P
> > > >
> > > > Marty
> > > >
> > > > > I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
> > > > > Declan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Marty,
> > > When you get on Parnate I bet your wang will come to life again, mine sure did. I'm 47 and I'm as horny as I was at 25. For me Parnate has been an aphrodisiac...I get wood at the drop of a hat, and get worked up just holding hands with my wife. It's sounds crazy, but it's true.
> > >
> > > Tyler
> >
> >
>
> I had sexual side effects with Nardil too. And many other AD's that I can't remember gave me delayed orgasm-and some complete anorgasmia. Nardil was the worst for me, I do remember that. The others were ssri's and ssri cocktails. Parnate causes 0 sex probs for me.
>
> Ty
Posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 18:06:57
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 6, 2006, at 15:32:54
>
> :) Parnate is so much next on my AD list :P
>
> Thanks
>
> Marty
>
> > >
> > > :| Now you got my attention .. I'd like to know if you usually have sexual side effects on other AD (if the answers is yes, which one gives you some and which doesn't give you some)
> > >
> > > This is very interesting to me since I'm looking forward to try Parnate if I dont get good result on my increased dose of Nardil (60mg->90mg) ..
> > >
> > > It should feel so good be have a good sexual life while feeling good on an AD ... never lived that.. except on Wellbutrin
> > >
> > > Marty
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Ahaha
> > > > >
> > > > > First about the dick feeling thing; It's very personal how one will experience sexual side effects with an AD. For me I got ALL the one I know of, including the 'genital anesthesia' which is a more scientific way of saying "Dick without feelings". Note that Nardil isn't the only AD that has given me this.. ALL AD gave me this and I tried a lot of SSRI. Only Wellbutrin was OK in that regard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now for the dosage.. I think 45mg is the lowest therapeutic dosage. But my guess is that as time pass the activating effect diminish enough to make you want to increase you dose to 60mg or 90mg.
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard that there was a way of calculate the effective dosage. It sounds like 1.5mg for each Kg of your weight (1.5mg/Kg) I may be wrong, in that case expect me to be severly corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me soon enough :P
> > > > >
> > > > > Marty
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm interested in the minimum dose where there is some relef from depression but you can still feel your dick. You hardly ever hear about people on 45mg; I think that's right?
> > > > > > Declan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marty,
> > > > When you get on Parnate I bet your wang will come to life again, mine sure did. I'm 47 and I'm as horny as I was at 25. For me Parnate has been an aphrodisiac...I get wood at the drop of a hat, and get worked up just holding hands with my wife. It's sounds crazy, but it's true.
> > > >
> > > > Tyler
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I had sexual side effects with Nardil too. And many other AD's that I can't remember gave me delayed orgasm-and some complete anorgasmia. Nardil was the worst for me, I do remember that. The others were ssri's and ssri cocktails. Parnate causes 0 sex probs for me.
> >
> > Ty
>
>Good for you Marty...I predit good things are ahead for your wang. :)
Ty
Posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 22:06:05
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » TylerJ, posted by Phillipa on April 5, 2006, at 22:06:53
> I don't have a wang. Ha ha Love Phillipa
I'm so glad you don't Jan! But, probably not near as glad as your husband is. :) LOL
Tyler
Posted by ed_uk on April 7, 2006, at 17:27:31
In reply to Re: NARDIL maximum dosage. Let's the bid start! : » Phillipa, posted by TylerJ on April 6, 2006, at 22:06:05
LOL
Could we please stop using the term wang!
Ed
Posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 2:43:23
In reply to Wangs, posted by ed_uk on April 7, 2006, at 17:27:31
You wang us to stop ? :)Marty
> LOL
>
> Could we please stop using the term wang!
>
> Ed
Posted by ed_uk on April 8, 2006, at 11:00:42
In reply to Re: Wangs » ed_uk, posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 2:43:23
lol
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2006, at 21:43:20
In reply to Re: Wangs » MARTY, posted by ed_uk on April 8, 2006, at 11:00:42
Ed not to be personal what do you call yours love PJO
Posted by ed_uk on April 9, 2006, at 12:46:39
In reply to Re: Wangs » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2006, at 21:43:20
Never called it a wang PJ!
Ed
Posted by yxibow on April 11, 2006, at 3:10:43
In reply to Re: Wangs » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on April 9, 2006, at 12:46:39
> Never called it a wang PJ!
>
> EdEddy --
I thought the brits used the same term for opening doors... :)
x lol, Jay
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