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Posted by yxibow on March 13, 2006, at 16:33:16
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by Maxime on March 12, 2006, at 19:12:50
> Valium and klonopin are closely related. Valium breaks down into klonopin. It has a very long half life. I would ask your doctor or a pharmacist.
>
> MaximeValium breaks down into desmethyldiazepam [nordiazepam] (Tranxene), oxazepam (Serax), and temazepam (Restoril).
Posted by yxibow on March 13, 2006, at 16:35:26
In reply to Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 12, 2006, at 17:49:00
> I am on klonopin now and it has helped with my panic attacks. I still have anxiety attacks but not as severe. The thing i hate the most is i am always tired, irritable, a little depressed and the worse thing is i am very weak feeling. I am on .5 mg three times a day. I was wondering if vallium has the same effect?
>
> Thank you
> christinaI switched a rather substantial dose of Klonopin over to a rather substantial dose of Valium. I believe the Valium has a slightly greater effect on anxiety and its effect is more immediately seen than the subtleness of Klonopin.
However, as they say, your miles may vary.
If you do decide this sort of taper with your doctors blessing, add the Valium before removing the Klonopin. Its easier on the system.
Tidings
-- Jay
Posted by Maxime on March 13, 2006, at 21:28:42
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » Maxime, posted by yxibow on March 13, 2006, at 16:33:16
> > Valium and klonopin are closely related. Valium breaks down into klonopin. It has a very long half life. I would ask your doctor or a pharmacist.
> >
> > Maxime
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> Valium breaks down into desmethyldiazepam [nordiazepam] (Tranxene), oxazepam (Serax), and temazepam (Restoril).That's not what my doctor said ... but then again I don't trust everything he says. :-)
Maxime
Posted by yxibow on March 14, 2006, at 2:39:42
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » yxibow, posted by Maxime on March 13, 2006, at 21:28:42
> > > Valium and klonopin are closely related. Valium breaks down into klonopin. It has a very long half life. I would ask your doctor or a pharmacist.
> > >
> > > Maxime
> >
> > Valium breaks down into desmethyldiazepam [nordiazepam] (Tranxene), oxazepam (Serax), and temazepam (Restoril).
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> That's not what my doctor said ... but then again I don't trust everything he says. :-)
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> MaximeKlonopin is a nitro benzodiazepine and is distantly related to Rohypnol; Valium is a keto benzodiazepine
http://meds.queensu.ca/~clpsych/orientation/Benzodiazepine%20comparison%20chart.pdf
The EDs in this chart are a little off from others, but there are different treatises...
Posted by Caedmon on March 14, 2006, at 22:59:36
In reply to Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 12, 2006, at 17:49:00
Clonazepam made me depressed. Diazepam (Valium) does not. I am very happy with Diazepam - one of my all-time favorite drugs, and I've been on a few.
Posted by christinav on March 15, 2006, at 8:18:32
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by Caedmon on March 14, 2006, at 22:59:36
Does it help with anxiety/panic?
christina
Posted by Caedmon on March 15, 2006, at 17:53:12
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 15, 2006, at 8:18:32
> Does it help with anxiety/panic?
>
> christinaI assume the question is about Valium [diazepam]? Yes, absolutely. I take a relatively low dose, 5-15 mg, as-needed. Many people take it daily as well, with great success.
Hope that helps.
- C
Posted by christinav on March 15, 2006, at 18:12:49
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » christinav, posted by Caedmon on March 15, 2006, at 17:53:12
well i am going to the physc doc tomorrow and gonna talk to him about it cause this klonopin is just not working. I just wish this anxiety/panic would just go away. I am so damn sick and tired of it. Sorry had to vent.
Posted by tizza on March 15, 2006, at 21:36:25
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 15, 2006, at 8:18:32
> Does it help with anxiety/panic?
>
> christinait's fantastic for it, It's the best drug I have ever taken for it. Paul.
Posted by bassman on March 16, 2006, at 18:00:41
In reply to Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 12, 2006, at 17:49:00
I had exactly the same thing happen (I have panic disorder). At 1 mg Klonopin, maybe depression, but at 1.5 mg/day, definite depression. BTW, I didn't find tapering Klonopin down difficult or uncomfortable at all-maybe go down to 1 mg Klonopin? My experience with valium and panic is that it is useless. Xanax is the best for me, far and away, but everyone seems afraid of its "addictive" properties, which are over-rated in my experience.
Posted by christinav on March 16, 2006, at 18:09:14
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by bassman on March 16, 2006, at 18:00:41
Thanks for writing. Went to the physc doc and he has put me on seroquel. Tried all benzo's and they just dont work for me. Going on something different. Thanks.
Posted by sdb on March 16, 2006, at 18:53:00
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by bassman on March 16, 2006, at 18:00:41
Look to the dependence/tolerance topic:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060310/msgs/619438.html
~sdb
Posted by christinav on March 16, 2006, at 20:39:41
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? (nm), posted by sdb on March 16, 2006, at 18:53:00
I will be taking seroquel so thank you for the post
Posted by tizza on March 17, 2006, at 2:16:18
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 16, 2006, at 20:39:41
> I will be taking seroquel so thank you for the post
Good luck with the seroquel, it does help some people but it just made me a total zombie, anti psychotics are very powerful drugs
Posted by christinav on March 17, 2006, at 15:05:23
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » christinav, posted by tizza on March 17, 2006, at 2:16:18
well i took it last night and it will be my last. i woke up this morning tired, dizzy and so depressed i couldnt stop crying. I am sticking to the klonopin.
Posted by Cairo on March 17, 2006, at 19:45:53
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 17, 2006, at 15:05:23
What dose of Seroquel are you taking?
Cairo
> well i took it last night and it will be my last. i woke up this morning tired, dizzy and so depressed i couldnt stop crying. I am sticking to the klonopin.
Posted by christinav on March 17, 2006, at 20:14:42
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » christinav, posted by Cairo on March 17, 2006, at 19:45:53
25mg
Posted by tizza on March 18, 2006, at 3:52:15
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 17, 2006, at 20:14:42
> 25mg
I was given 200mg of seroquel and almost slept for 2 days, so I dropped back to 100mg then 50mg then 25mg and still slept for almost 2 days, it's just way too strong for me, it took my anxiety away but did nothing for depression at all and made me really apathetic, I became a walking zombie and didn't give a flying sh*t about anything. I didn't mention this earlier because you seemed to have made up your mind and I didn't want to put you off something you had not tried. Anti psychotic's don't work for depression in most people I have spoken to. If you haven't tried Valium I suggest you give it a try. I have been in a similar situation and after 3 days of Valium I have never looked back, it might take a few days to figure out your does but stick with it and see how you go, I wish you a speedy recovery, all the best, Paul
Posted by christinav on March 18, 2006, at 6:46:43
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » christinav, posted by tizza on March 18, 2006, at 3:52:15
I went back on the klonopin because i dont know what else to do. The klonopin doesnt take the anxiety away though. If the klonopin doesnt work i dont think the vallium will be any different.
Posted by bassman on March 18, 2006, at 14:03:11
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 18, 2006, at 6:46:43
To me, nothing is in a league with Xanax for getting rid of anxiety...it is really worth a try, IMO. You might even find that 0.25-0.5 mg with your Klonopin works wonders; it does for me I hope this hasn't been mentioned before in the posts. I take Klonopin, but Xanax is THE drug for anxiety and panic, in my book.
Posted by Caedmon on March 18, 2006, at 15:24:25
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 17, 2006, at 15:05:23
If 25mg Seroquel is too much, cutting those tiny orange pills in half (to 12.5mg) might do it. Though I think Valium [diazepam] or Ativan [lorazepam] are worth a whirl, if you haven't tried them yet.
I take low-dose Risperdal, which works surprisingly well for my social phobia and depression. Which is not to say I am in remission by any means.
Good luck.
- C
Posted by christinav on March 18, 2006, at 20:07:15
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium? » christinav, posted by Caedmon on March 18, 2006, at 15:24:25
My biggest problem is my anxiety. It is horrible. I just didnt like wha the seroquel did to me that morning so i went back on the klonopin. I personally dont like the klonopin becuase it doesnt seem to help a lot. I am at wits end with my anxiety. I just feel like i have to live like this forever.
Posted by christinav on March 18, 2006, at 20:08:44
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by bassman on March 18, 2006, at 14:03:11
I tried xanax i cant take it. makes me terrible depressed and tired.
Posted by Smeegle on March 19, 2006, at 0:09:55
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by christinav on March 18, 2006, at 20:08:44
I was on Seroquel most of last year and slept waaay too much. Even at a low dose it was too much. I prefer Ambien or Klonopin to calm me down. You mentioned in your post that you took Klonopin in the morning. I can't imagine trying to function after taking that. I had to take it at night and was out cold in fifteen minutes.
Posted by christinav on March 19, 2006, at 9:25:36
In reply to Re: Klonopin vs Vallium?, posted by Smeegle on March 19, 2006, at 0:09:55
The klonopin i was take is .5 mg. I actually took a whole one (1mg) about half hour ago and i am doing ok. I ate two doughnuts this morning and my anxiety is really bothering me. I cant eat sugar or caffeine or my anxiety bothers me.
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