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Posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 11:14:19
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by willyee on January 27, 2006, at 10:36:57
BABBLE ALTERNATIVE,is all about using amino acids,herbs,and tons of home remedies,actual medication is not allowed to be spoken there,your message "would have made no logic there."
I am sorry, didnt get that, nor every third statement you made. In any event, the phrase 'pill popper' is not derogatory, it is called slang. I pop vitamins, others a beer open, other somebody on the head.
I realize the seriousness of this forum, have been following it for some time..... and think that all opinions should be respected including those who seriously question the way that medication is administered and the dangerous, highly random effects they have on people.
In fact, I am seriously thankful for having been able to read about various Effexor experiences on this site, since it was what my doc insisted was 'the trick.' I am offering support to those who doubt whether they should use medication, and saying that it is possible (I go foremost by my own experience) to achieve and maintain a quality of life all the while being labeled ill.
Oh yes, and 'clueless'... I suppose I should have included an entire list of my relationships with friends and family who have had medication issues. If I told you that my mother takes loads of medication would that make a difference?; calling someone clueless because you do not share their opinion is a little off. I did not make a prescriptive judgement regarding all persons, in fact explicitly said that I was directing my comments to those who wonder about going into rounds of meds, which is the reality, since it is obviously very hard, if not dangerous to quit cold turkey, once a person has started.
Your defensiveness is unwarranted, since clearly my post was not directed to you.> > With all due respect to all you handling your own use or the repercussions of others use of medication.... I would like to give a shout out to those who might be cruising by the site, wondering whether to take that prescription your doctor wrote out during the 5 minutes he allocated to 'your case.'
> > Seriously do consider whether the meds will improve the quality of your life; it seems more than clear from all the posts on this site that more than often adding a chemical cocktail to your problem not only does not make the beast go away, it actually makes it worse, tacking on any number of wierd and scary side-effects such as impairing your brainpower, to name one.
> > The hype (esp put out by the industry, of which your doc is included) wants you to believe that you need medication... or lo! your 'illness' might even deteriorate....... Sure, and when you are unable to get off the med, ie hooked, where is the industry then? At the bank, cashing in on YOUR misery.
> > I was diagnosed BP 3 years ago, and despite long periods of depression where I was REALLY down, suicidal and harming of my self (or vv, talking at 90mph) I never gave in and took anything. I really believe it was my instinct at self-preservation that took over; and I encourage others to listen to that voice. You do not need meds to make you better; they will not make the underlying part of what is 'wrong with you' go away...... Try vitamins, (see Alternative board) exercise, learning and listening to your self with ACCEPTANCE, love, friendships... maybe solitude, whatever your thing is- but do the personal remedy is my ADVICE.
> > For those of you who pop pills I respect that, but I speak to those who question medication, hesitant 'whether to' regarding their mental health; You Gotta Believe; nobody or no substance will do that for you.
> > Shalom.
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> Ok first you cant post a message,claim youre not trying insult anyone,and then refer to them,"us" A PILL POPPERS.This is not a drug foroum,advocting the use of drugs,encrouaging the use of drugs,we are using what are SAID to be legal therputic medication,so HOW DARE YOU use the term PILL POPPRERS,THIS personaly is one of the MOST insulting things i can be told.
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> We come here to find out more,chemical technical aspects of the drugs so we are even FURTHER from pill poppers,instaed of that comment you should respect the fact a lot of people come here to try to understand how there medication works,they are intersted and concerned about the medication they are being given,again this is not what you would call a pill popper.
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> As for dealing with it,i applaud anyone who finds ANY METHOD successful,beit excersisie,spirtual,herbs etc.
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> But the fact that you acnowledged your BP shows that we are dealing with true clinical disorders.Why cant people accept the fact there the brain is no different than any other part of your body,is there a single inch of your body now other than the brain that can fall victim to disease or medical condition.
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> If this the case,which i believe it is then you cant blame people for visiting a docter,unfrotunatly it takes that to learn the imdustry in this case hasent come an inch and the treatment for these disorders have been shot totaly to hell due to big bucks and big pharm companys.
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> So we seek treatment like we would heart problems,tumours etc,we just come to find out its a whole different balll game,not to our benifit.
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> I do feel the industry is horrid,the advancment just as horrid,treatment options,horrid,but i do believe as well that there are cases of brain disorders that we dont have any grip on,getting worse with age etc,and i believe just as homepathy remedies can,certain medication for certain people can provide enough relieaf to help a person stay out of bed,and function.
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> I DONT BELIEVE we have a cure,whether remedy or medication,mainly cause like u admitted u have BP you and no one else can give any flat facts about what it is,theorys we have those by the suitcase,facts,hardly any.
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> Now if you wanna see the worst of the worst,you would find them where......well on a medication foroum perhaps? People forget what this place is,perhaps they need to visit babble social,or babble ALTERNATIVE and see THEY made the mistake of stumbling onto the wrong board.
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> BABBLE ALTERNATIVE,is all about using amino acids,herbs,and tons of home remedies,actual medication is not allowed to be spoken there,your message would have made no logic there.
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> You did more that state a opinion,you sneakishly tried to slide in insult and pressure your beliefs and wanted to leave as still being there to offer "friendly suggestions"
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> I personaly recomend in my own choice to disregard your post especialy since you have never taken medication,therefore you are far from a valued experianced resource.
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> Instead id go to babble alternative,heres an idea for you,you might want to consider also that not everyone is a pill popper,and PERHAPS some people find value in herbal remedies,AND natural,combine them,what a thought huh?
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> Using herbs and natural remedies in high doses is no longer natural,i use all resources incluing natural and medication,i think your post was highly insulting,DARE YOU REFER TO ME AS A PILL POPPER !
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Posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 11:37:50
In reply to Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 8:44:17
No offence, (and I cannot say for you because I don't know), but this attitude is *very* common among people with bipolar disorder. The attitude that one has the power to pull onesself out of one's illness.
My older brother has bipolar disorder, and won't take meds. He has been depressed, and continues to have recurrent depressions. Whenever he gets better, he always attrubutes it to something within his own power that got him there.
The depression will improve naturally on its own, as it does with the natural course of the illness, and it only seems natural to attribute it to somthing within one's power that got them well. But, correlation does not imply causation. For instance, self esteem will increase as depression improves. That does not mean that your self-esteem, or your self-motivation was actually what got you better!
But we need to look at the facts. There are real, structural and biochemical abnormailities that have consistantly been found in bipolar disorder who do not medicate. Abnormalities like glial reductions in the fronal cortex, grey matter reductions, n-acetyl-aspartate, hippocampal volume abnormalities etc.
I know that the case for antidepressants is confounded by the buisness of drug marketing, but whenever I start to think that the disease is fabricated, I need only to look a the case for lithium.
Lithium is no money maker. It does make people high. It does work though. Of course it has some side effects, but for those who choose to continue taking it, the burden of side effects does not surpass the burden of the disease. Lithium does reduce suicide which is high in bipolar disorder.
Nobody is asking you to take your medications, but please be mindfull of the possability that the parameters of your individual case may not extend to everbody.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 11:39:09
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by jamestheyonger on January 27, 2006, at 10:46:53
Well said.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 11:50:19
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 11:14:19
Clueless is essentially whenever you cast judgment about another person's condition without actually being them.
You don't know what your mother went through simply due to the fact that you are not her.
Amino acids and vitamins help some people, but they do not help everbody. There are numerous cases of people who have unsucessfully gone the full route of trying alternative treatments.
Tell me an alternative supplement that I have not given a fair trail. Tell me that I do not exercise enough, pray enough, sleep enough, breath enough, meditate enough, wait long enough, think hard enough, try hard enough before you tell me that you have any voice into the course of my treatment.
Obviously, not everbody has positive experiences with prescriptions. But to ban prescriptions based on individual bad cases is shortsighted.
Linkadge
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on January 27, 2006, at 12:18:10
In reply to Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 8:44:17
Hi Daniela,
I think I get the gist of what you are saying.... and I can see both sides of the story. For me, personally, SSRI drugs have done more harm that good, well the side effects are worse than the depression!! Well, thats not strictly true but anyway I figure I'm better of without them. And I got sick of the eternal quest to find the 'perfect' pill for me. I'm plain unipolar through, and in my case a decent childhood and some self esteem would probably cure me. In cases like mine I think taking an AD just masks the problem and doesn't get to the root of the depression. Some decent therapy/CBT probably would be better.
I realise that other people have different problems, illnesses etc etc. and medication is the thing for them. I think we just have to respect each others' path and what others chose (and why they have chosen this) rather than judging people for what they chose, be it pills, therapy, herbs etc.
Posted by willyee on January 27, 2006, at 12:29:11
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 11:50:19
Linkadge,i like having people like you here,i blurt randomly and you fix it up nice and neat the way it should have been posted,now i can blame being from brooklyn and not having the best schooling,i can blame this and that,fact is though im just high amped hugh strung when im offended and i proubuably no i surly loose sight of what im trying to say,your statement was well put indeed.
Taking it upon yourself to non medicate is also an option,but its not one a person should come to easyly,esepcialy from a post,hopefully they are utilizing websites like remedyfind and others and taking their time,i personaly would not make such a dangerous recomendation that a person simply choose not to medicate,even if i eneded up having success from that.
Point in case,i personaly will never touch another ssri,i post on maois and from my own experieance is the only medication ill use at the moment.Now i was brought here by suffereing upon suffering of being on ssris,but you still will find it hard to find a post here where i directly or even close to directly advise or reject someones use of an ssri.
As happy as i am for are buddy ace,i sometimes get a lil annoyed? At the way he portrays nardil,it seems he forgets there there are people who failed on the drug,people who cant even get it,and people who dident find it as helpful as others.
He portrays it as written word sometimes that this medication is the one and only,having failed it myself i kinda get itchy when he does this.
I am glad the guy is happy though,im glad we have a powerful voice on a success.
Anyway thanks link,and to the first poster,slang is slang,youre explanation of a pill popper is absurd,just how you meant it,if you choose to be blind on how someone like myself see it said,then well dont expect much from your post.
You addressed the medication taking population,not me,but also not excluding me,so yess you did call me a pill popper.And im not good on typing to get mypoint across,but i have tore people to shreds verbaly who have said those words about people on medication,its a insult plain clear and simple.Its meaning is to see this person in a light of careless pill taking,constant,the way a drug addict would be.
Posted by Racer on January 27, 2006, at 12:52:45
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 11:50:19
Posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 13:21:44
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by willyee on January 27, 2006, at 12:29:11
I know what you are saying! Pill Popper is very insulting cause it assumes that you are just taking pills without thinking about the consequences, or that we are just taking the easy way out.
Most of us are aware of the alternatives, and are here cause the alternatives didn't work.
Linkadge
Posted by gibber on January 27, 2006, at 13:24:07
In reply to Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 8:44:17
Just one thing. The idea that drug companies somehow make their drugs hard to withdraw from so that we keep taking them is a complete myth. Just about anything we put in our bodies on a regular basis, our bodies will want to continue to consume it to remain in homeostasis. Coffee for instance and can I dare say food, water, air, sleep. Of course meds are synthetic and unnatural, but for some it may be the only effective way to change the diseased state of the brain. I've tried lots of alternatives too.
The people who "pop in" to challenge what we do on this board really only make us stronger and help consolidate our argument.
Posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 13:57:27
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!!, posted by gibber on January 27, 2006, at 13:24:07
But you've got to admit, that the fact that the drugs are difficult to get off, sure isn't hurting the drug companies any.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on January 27, 2006, at 13:59:17
In reply to Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 8:44:17
> Shalom
Peace to you too, Daniela.
You are fortunate indeed that any psychobiological pathology you are afflicted with has gone into remission. Often, it is the natural course of affective disorders that they be episodic. Doctors and patients are sometimes fooled into thinking that what they did or did not do was responsible for any changes seen in the course of the illness.
I think it is unfair to generalize one's own experience with an illness to everyone else who suffers from it. When it comes to the brain, small biological differences between individuals can often present as profound differences in presentation and treatment response.
I believe it would have been more appropriate, and certainly more constructive, if you had simply reported your own experience with bipolar disorder rather than suggest to others that they have no better option than to choose the same course of action that you chose for yourself. Furthermore, I find it needlessly provocative that you use terms like "pop pills" to characterize those who don't follow your method of self-treatment or non-treatment. I question whether or not you really do respect "pill-poppers" the way that you claim to in that one sentence. It seems contradictory to the rest of your post.
Perhaps the rest of us are clueless, having been brainwashed by the multitude of malevolant capitalists that profit from our lack of intelligence. It is not intelligence that is lacking, but information. Besides your anecdotal self-report of witnessing your bipolar disorder going into remission without pharmacological intervention, what other corrobarative information do you wish to offer to dissuade people from taking medication for their mental illnesses?
- Scott
Posted by Etienne78 on January 27, 2006, at 15:14:49
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!! - We are all clueless... » Daniela23, posted by SLS on January 27, 2006, at 13:59:17
Hey All,
For everyone getting totally riled up about pill poppin', all i can say is... C H I L L.
To be actually taking medications, many of you seem quite irritable at a question of semantics.I think that there are many ways of approaching a problem or "disease". Personally, i applaud the fact that someone would stand out and say "stop taking the stuff put out by the system."
I invite you to question why we all have these problems in the first place. Are we defective human beings or are we products of a defective society. Capitalism strives on the misery of others. It is no secret that many Corporations put out medications without proper research, to recall them years later saying they can have a previously unknown side-effect. Of course, in the process they got several billion dollars richer. Let's all just face the cold hard truth. In these times, many of us are still just guinea pigs for Big Brother pharmaceuticals.
I know many of you might lash out at this post. Gladly we are not in Saudi Arabia, where i would possibly be stoned to death for it. So, in view of that, i just wish you all a peaceful time here on earth.
Ciao,
Etienne
Posted by jamestheyonger on January 27, 2006, at 15:21:44
In reply to Popin' them thangs!, posted by Etienne78 on January 27, 2006, at 15:14:49
I invite you to question why we all have these problems in the first place. Are we defective human beings or are we products of a defective society. Capitalism strives on the misery of others. It is no secret that many Corporations put out medications without proper research, to recall them years later saying they can have a previously unknown side-effect. Of course, in the process they got several billion dollars richer. Let's all just face the cold hard truth. In these times, many of us are still just guinea pigs for Big Brother pharmaceuticals.
I think it is unfair to generalize peoples experiences on this board with the general population. People come here because they are having trouble with meds so this site in no way is representative of most peoples experiences with meds.
Posted by flmm on January 27, 2006, at 16:17:40
In reply to Re: Popin' them thangs!, posted by jamestheyonger on January 27, 2006, at 15:21:44
Hey, if these drugs had no benefit, we would not take them period! For me, they make me functional enough to go to work every day, drive 2 hours a day on the freeway, without having a heart attack. I have a decent life at home, sleep well, eat well.etc. Without Lexapro, i am a lunatic! I was before meds, and I am if I stopped taking them. Getting off them is hard, because they are potent, not because of a conspiracy! The brain is complicated, you can't take meds for it and not expect side effects, or to be able to go on and off at will. If they help, great. If not find out what does. I guarantee you, if they keep you sane, just take your pill and forget about it. Happiness is an internal search not found in a pill, that is not what they are for!
Posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 16:29:38
In reply to Popin' them thangs!, posted by Etienne78 on January 27, 2006, at 15:14:49
You can eat all the best foods and exercise everyday and still have high blood pressure. You did know that didn't you ?
Linkadge
Posted by gardenergirl on January 27, 2006, at 19:29:54
In reply to Re: Popin' them thangs! » Etienne78, posted by linkadge on January 27, 2006, at 16:29:38
flmm
>You have no clue!willyee
>i think your post was highly insulting,DARE YOU REFER TO ME AS A PILL POPPER !jamestheyonger
>This sounds more like denial than instinct, to me.Please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, even if your own feelings were hurt. Remember, two wrongs do not make a right.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
gg acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on January 27, 2006, at 19:32:09
In reply to Please be civil: flmm, willyee, jamestheyonger, posted by gardenergirl on January 27, 2006, at 19:29:54
Daniela23
>Your defensiveness is unwarranted, since clearly my post was not directed to you.Linkadge
>Pill Popper is very insultingSLS
>I find it needlessly provocative that you use terms like "pop pills" to characterize those who don't follow your method of self-treatment or non-treatment.Please don't post anything that jumps to conclusions about others or could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
gg acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2006, at 19:51:53
In reply to Please be civil: Daniela23, Linkadge, SLS, posted by gardenergirl on January 27, 2006, at 19:32:09
Everyone needs to do and take what works for them period point blank. And I don't believe anyone thinks a pill will solve all their problems. Do You? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2006, at 19:53:37
In reply to Re: Please be civil: Daniela23, Linkadge, SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2006, at 19:51:53
I should have changed the subject. Sorry guys. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2006, at 19:55:08
In reply to Sorry Link, Willyee, SLS, posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2006, at 19:53:37
I couldn't remember all of you sorry again. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by jamestheyonger on January 27, 2006, at 20:58:54
In reply to Please be civil: flmm, willyee, jamestheyonger, posted by gardenergirl on January 27, 2006, at 19:29:54
I am voting with my feet.
> jamestheyonger
> >This sounds more like denial than instinct, to me.
Posted by mogger on January 28, 2006, at 2:36:33
In reply to Re: Dont do it!!!! Clueless!, posted by flmm on January 27, 2006, at 10:35:40
Please don't try to force your ideas and thoughts on others who are benefiting on anti-depressants like myself. Please mind your own business and worry about yourself and don't douse the positive support that this board gives.
mogger
Posted by rfs on January 28, 2006, at 5:06:00
In reply to Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 8:44:17
With all due respect & pill poppers. I don't feel respected. I tried until age 43 to do it with out meds, 15 years of therapy, very good, but not enough. For the most part, the first 43 years of my life were varying degrees of a living hell,24 hours a day. 10 years on medication have had its ups and downs, side effects, etc. but do you think that I would choice 3,650 days to take medication if It was not helping me greatly. You need to realize that not eveyone is you, or has the same problems make up as you. Should all cardiac patients work it out... no, some need life style changes, some medication, some open heart surgery, your not in a position to decide and you could be seriously hurting people that you don't even know by making such sweeping generalizations.
Ray
Posted by Tomatheus on January 28, 2006, at 15:35:59
In reply to Dont do it!!!!, posted by Daniela23 on January 27, 2006, at 8:44:17
Daniela,
You wrote:
"You do not need meds to make you better; they will not make the underlying part of what is 'wrong with you' go away"
I agree with others here who have said that your post appears to contain some inaccurate generalizations that could clearly be offensive to many of the members here. Even though success stories on this board are relatively uncommon in comparison to the problems that people report, success stories do exist. Some of those who have posted success stories here tried several times to go without meds only to see their symptoms return. They are feeling better only because they endured a lengthy process of trial and error with meds until they found either a med or a combo that helped them achieve remission. Others here, despite the fact that they write mostly about the things that are wrong with their medications, are doing "better" on meds in the strictest sense of the word. In other words, although these patients may not feel that they are achieving remission from their illnesses, they feel noticeably better on the meds that they're taking than they felt during the periods when they were med-free.
I would consider myself to be one of these patients. I personally waited years watching my depressive symptoms worsen and eventually level out to a point where I would just about always feel moderately to severely depressed (on occasion, I would just feel mildly depressed -- usually after sleep deprivation). I tried making various lifestyle changes and going to therapy, and even though I saw the positive values in these endeavors, they did nothing for my depression. I've also been med-free several times between med trials, and I would always end up feeling exactly the same way that I did before I was taking meds. Even though I do not think I have quite acheived a state of remission, I feel a lot more functional and productive than I was when I was taking no meds, and my emotional reactions to the stimuli in my environment are a lot more consistent with the "normal" reactions to these stimuli than I was when I was depressed and med-free. In other words, I no longer feel deeply depressed in situations when everything inside of me except for my affective state is telling me that I should be feeling happy. Without meds, I would feel depressed when I'm supposed to feel happy, depressed when I'm supposed to feel sad, and of course, depressed when I'm supposed to feel anywhere in between. Now, I can usually experience at least a little bit of joy in response to doing the things that I truly like. In this sense, I would say that I am doing at least somewhat better because of the meds I'm taking.
Now, do I claim that all of the depressed patients on this board and elsewhere are exactly like me? Hell no, I don't. As research data indicate, some patients with depression and other psychiatric disorders respond quite favorably to therapy alone are don't require medications to achieve remission. It is my belief that others, however, are more like myself and have symptoms that only respond slightly (if at all) to things like therapy, exercise, and personal commitments (and actions) to pursue more fulfulling endeavors and avoid excessively stressful activities. For patients who experience no significant benefits in their psychiatric symptoms after trying non-pharmaceutical treatments, the next choice is usually one between taking meds (and hoping that they might at least produce some positive results) and continuing to be hampered by debilitating psychiatric symptoms day in and day out. And as the posts here indicate, some patients still do not receive significant benefits from medications. But unless I'm imagining things, it is clear that there are more than a handful of patients who have benefited significantly from medications (and not just any medications, I mean the "right" medications) after having remained fully symptomatic for years as a result of either taking no medications or the "wrong" medications.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is strong evidence (both here and in the psychiatric literature) that some patients require medications to achieve remission, or least a partial remission. This, of course, is not the case with all patients. But in saying "you do not need meds to make you better," you made a generalization that is clearly inconsistent with the experiences of several members here, including myself. After trying non-pharmaceutical approaches to treating my depressive symptoms without success, seeking psychopharmacological treatment as a last resort, going through unsuccessful medication trials for about three years, and finally finding a medication that has allowed me to achieve partial remission (and may ultimately allow for full remission if augmented in just the right way), do you think that I feel offended by your statement? You betcha.
Finally, with respect to your statement that medications cannot make the "underlying part of 'what is wrong with you' go away," how can you make this statement with 100 percent certainty? Granted, there is no way to say for sure with respect to any given patient to what extent their medications might be getting to the underlying pathology or pathologies causing their illnesses. And of course, no doctor can say with 100 percent certainty that a patient does have an underlying biochemical abnormality simply by making a diagnosis using a questionnaire. But you said that meds "will not" make the underlying cause(s) of a disorder go away. This, to me, is an absolute statement. But seriously, how do you know for sure that medications do not treat the actual causes of psychiatric illnesses in *any* cases? I'm not saying that they do for sure, but unless you're privy to some all-conslusive research information that I'm not, I doubt that you know for sure that meds absolutely cannot treat the causes of psychiatric illnesses.
So, all in all, I find it perplexing that you decided to begin your post by saying "with all due respect" when you then proceeded to make a statement that would obviously offend many of the members here due to its lack of accuracy. Perhaps you did not mean to generalize or to offend in your original post. But judging from the responses of other members here, it seems that your post came across that way to a lot of people.
Tomatheus
Posted by gardenergirl on January 28, 2006, at 16:15:19
In reply to This board is repressively and poorly moderated, posted by jamestheyonger on January 27, 2006, at 20:58:54
As previously requested, posts related to adminstrative actions should be directed to the Admin board.
Here is a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060111/msgs/603799.htmlRegards,
gg
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