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Posted by Tepiaca on November 10, 2005, at 22:19:26
Hello, is Tolvon and Remeron the same med
only with 2 different comercial names???Thanks !
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 10, 2005, at 22:59:34
In reply to Remeron is the same than Tolvon ??, posted by Tepiaca on November 10, 2005, at 22:19:26
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> Hello, is Tolvon and Remeron the same med
> only with 2 different comercial names???
>
> Thanks !No. Tolvon is mianserin. Remeron is mirtazapine, which is the 6-aza-derivative of mianserin.
Remeron is "improved" Tolvon. They are not the same med.
Lar
Posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 7:22:45
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ?? » Tepiaca, posted by Larry Hoover on November 10, 2005, at 22:59:34
> >
> > Hello, is Tolvon and Remeron the same med
> > only with 2 different comercial names???
> >
> > Thanks !
>
> No. Tolvon is mianserin. Remeron is mirtazapine, which is the 6-aza-derivative of mianserin.
>
> Remeron is "improved" Tolvon. They are not the same med.Although there is great overlap in the pharmacology of these two drugs, Remeron has an additional effect on serotonin (5-HT) receptors.
Tolvon (mianserin):NE alpha-2 antagonist
H1 antagonist
5-HT2 antagonistRemeron (mirtazapine):
NE alpha-2 antagonist
H1 antagonist
5-HT2 antagonist
5-HT3 antagonist
Drugs usually do things other than what science recognizes and lists as important. Sometimes, just knowing that the chemical derivation of two drugs are different, as Larry indicates, is enough reason to try both drugs. Even if these two drugs looked the same to scientists, they would not necessary look the same to the brain. I agree with Larry in saying that Remeron, for the average person, is an improvement over Tolvon. However, there are probably people who respond better to Tolvon than Remeron. For me, I would choose Remeron first.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2005, at 19:26:41
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ??, posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 7:22:45
Remeron l5mg didn't even help me sleep. Waaaaah! Larry glad to see you decided to stay. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on November 12, 2005, at 12:55:16
In reply to Remeron is the same than Tolvon ??, posted by Tepiaca on November 10, 2005, at 22:19:26
>Hello, is Tolvon and Remeron the same med
only with 2 different comercial names???No, but they're quite similar. I'm not convinced that Remeron is any more effective!
Ed
Posted by Tepiaca on November 12, 2005, at 20:32:51
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ?? » Tepiaca, posted by Larry Hoover on November 10, 2005, at 22:59:34
> >
> > Hello, is Tolvon and Remeron the same med
> > only with 2 different comercial names???
> >
> > Thanks !
>
> No. Tolvon is mianserin. Remeron is mirtazapine, which is the 6-aza-derivative of mianserin.
>
> Remeron is "improved" Tolvon. They are not the same med.
>
> Lar
>ey larry, welcome back, thaks for your reply.
do you believe Remeron is a little bit better than tolvon ?
Greetings
Tep
Posted by Tepiaca on November 12, 2005, at 20:36:08
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ??, posted by SLS on November 11, 2005, at 7:22:45
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> Tolvon (mianserin):
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> NE alpha-2 antagonist
> H1 antagonist
> 5-HT2 antagonist
>
>
>
> Remeron (mirtazapine):
>
> NE alpha-2 antagonist
> H1 antagonist
> 5-HT2 antagonist
> 5-HT3 antagonist
>
>
> Drugs usually do things other than what science recognizes and lists as important. Sometimes, just knowing that the chemical derivation of two drugs are different, as Larry indicates, is enough reason to try both drugs. Even if these two drugs looked the same to scientists, they would not necessary look the same to the brain. I agree with Larry in saying that Remeron, for the average person, is an improvement over Tolvon. However, there are probably people who respond better to Tolvon than Remeron. For me, I would choose Remeron first.
>
>
> - ScottHello Scott , great post =) . I can now understand what is exactly the difference between this 2 drugs.
Have you tried both?
Posted by Tepiaca on November 12, 2005, at 20:37:40
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ??, posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2005, at 19:26:41
> Remeron l5mg didn't even help me sleep. Waaaaah! Larry glad to see you decided to stay. Fondly, Phillipa
have you tried Tolvon phillipa??
How r u feeling?Tep
Posted by Tepiaca on November 12, 2005, at 20:39:28
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ?? » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on November 12, 2005, at 12:55:16
> >Hello, is Tolvon and Remeron the same med
> only with 2 different comercial names???
>
> No, but they're quite similar. I'm not convinced that Remeron is any more effective!
>
> Edhi ed , have you tried any of these drugs?
why do you think Remeron is not better than Tolvon?TEPI
Posted by ed_uk on November 13, 2005, at 10:23:36
In reply to Re: Remeron is the same than Tolvon ?? » ed_uk, posted by Tepiaca on November 12, 2005, at 20:39:28
Hi Tepi :-)
>hi ed , have you tried any of these drugs?
Yes, I've tried Remeron. I find it good for helping me sleep.
>why do you think Remeron is not better than Tolvon?
Remeron and Tolvon are similar. I don't think one is better than the other.
SALUDOS!
Ed
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